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Jim
12-24-2012, 12:02 AM
I saw this on a 300 last night. Sorry for the over exposure. The top has a 3 pointed star on the flat face. Not sure if it OEM...I did not want to be seen looking too closely at night.

bing
12-24-2012, 03:22 AM
Jim, you know this is a japanese effort , right? :thumbsdown: Doubt if it's OEM.

Jim
12-24-2012, 04:37 AM
Jim, you know this is a japanese effort , right? :thumbsdown: Doubt if it's OEM.

I know the Japanese like this sort of thing. Not sure if such is in EPC, I am just posting for general interest.

gerryvz
12-24-2012, 08:43 AM
It's definitely not OEM. It's a "bling" thing.

My problem with these dealie-mabobs is that they are a very tempting target for vandals to come by and tweak/bend. And there goes your fender....

That, and it reminds me of "cascade" 's (aka "JimB" on PeachParts forum) SEC (http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/2871889-post12.html)

https://www.500eboard.com/forums/images/imported/2012/12/124.jpg

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqLHHlc9hvFze-Sy-wqLAmvgYfdbG7308jKZhXNhzIoq2nLHMzNOe3MCJD

SilverStar
12-24-2012, 10:03 AM
MB does have an OEM Parking Pennant. PN A 210 810 00 81 or A 210 810 01 81

gsxr
12-24-2012, 10:16 AM
MB does have an OEM Parking Pennant. PN A 210 810 00 81 or A 210 810 01 81
I thought so. Thanks for posting the part numbers!

:deniro:

gerryvz
12-24-2012, 10:29 AM
I don't see it listed at either of those MB part numbers via parts.com or via the MB classic parts site (which would have Euro parts).

I do see the following number: A1108100081
This is a flag (pennant) holder, which is different than a parking corner indicator. Photo of this 110 part below.
Can you provide more information?

Cheers,
Gerry

gsxr
12-24-2012, 10:34 AM
:mushroom:

gerryvz
12-24-2012, 10:37 AM
:mushroom:Interesting, but it looks to be a different design than the one shown in the original photo, as well as the "cascade" C126 pole (which indeed is a Japanese import).

SilverStar
12-24-2012, 10:41 AM
The OEM one from Mercedes actually bolts to the body of the car. I have only seen them a few times. The majority are aftermarket ones like the ones pictured.

Jim
12-24-2012, 12:55 PM
The mast lights up apparently


http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1314202-flag-pole-paper-metal-foil.html


If you google images "Mercedes Flag Pole" you can see the "two slot" push and turn fitting mounted on the wing. I have seen this on a W116 that was ex Government Service. I guess Embassy cars use them so it is not that unusual.

bing
12-24-2012, 06:48 PM
Well, looking at the EPC diagram posted by GSXR it shows that it's bolted on the wing with a push and turn slot(as mentioned also by Silverstar and Jim/Google) which to me is more like a flag pennant/pole designed for late MB models I.e W210s, and Gerry's EPC find is for earlier models but essentially both for flags, not Parking mast! Indeed quite common on diplomatic cars, especially here in London which I see a lot coz I work quite closely with them

Merry Christmas all !!

gerryvz
12-24-2012, 07:25 PM
Yes exactly my point -- flag pole vs parking pole. MB has been making that "twist and lock" style flag pole since at least the early 1960s if not before ... But these are NOT parking poles per Japan as originally pictured, and as I showed as bling on Cascade's 560SEC.

Cheers,
Gerry

:gsxr::
:jelmerian:

2phast
12-24-2012, 08:40 PM
Some info I have

SilverStar
12-24-2012, 08:46 PM
They had them well before the 60's.

http://www.carenvy.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/hitler-mercedes.jpg

gerryvz
12-24-2012, 10:46 PM
https://www.500eboard.com/forums/images/imported/2012/12/4.gifRik's post is a collection of accessory parking masts (the Japanese style ones per the original post) and a factory diagram of a flag/pennant holder. Two very different things, folks.

I am intimately familiar with the pennant holders from the W100, W111/112 and W108/109 chassis, which are an extremely similar MB factory design as the W210 model that GSXR posted above. Since cars earlier than the Adenauer and Ponton had a different style of front fender, I am not familiar with the type of flag holder design used with those models -- but I am certainly not refuting that flag holders existed for those cars.

Again, the purpose for this type of "flag holder" that has a base embedded onto the exterior of the fender, into which a flanged flag-holder is inserted and turned, is a VERY different item than the Japanese "parking mast," which was used to allow drivers to know where the corner of the vehicle is located for close-quarters parking purposes. MB heavy trucks have extensively used these "parking masts" over the years (particularly in the 1950s and 1960s models) and the early W140 models also used two retractable parking masts that were located at the rear corners of the trunk (boot).https://www.500eboard.com/forums/images/imported/2012/12/5.gif

I want to clearly delineate between the purpose of these two types of attached masts. One is a factory-fitted device (often special-ordered for state cars, limousines, etc.) and the other (parking mast) is an accessory item that I don't believe to be an official, MB factory item that is found in any official MB parts catalog (MB "LKW" trucks and W140s excepted, of course). Also notice that the method of attachment of the flag holders (a base that is permanently mounted in the middle of the fender) is very different from the Japan "bling" parking masts, which Rik's photos show very well to be a flat plate that is mounted at the bumper-fender seam.https://www.500eboard.com/forums/images/imported/2012/12/6.gif

Cheers,
Gerry


Here are a couple of examples of MB L-Series trucks (produced late 1950s through early 1990s) with true parking masts - sticking out at an angle from the fender of the vehicle.

https://www.500eboard.com/forums/images/imported/2012/12/126.jpg

https://www.500eboard.com/forums/images/imported/2012/12/127.jpg


Here are some photos of official MB flag holders. The one on the W116 in particular is the "official" MB one with the round plate that fits in the fender, with the flanged thick flag holder that inserts and rotates into a vertical position.

http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/mercedes-benz/600pullman/1963/fd/1963_mercedes-benz_600pullman_f34_fd_1_717.jpg

http://www.sportscardigest.com/wp-content/uploads/LF10_r194_01-105-Mercedes-Benz-1973-600-Pullman-Landaulet-Conversion-10001412002035_2400.jpg

https://www.500eboard.com/forums/images/imported/2012/12/128.jpg

https://www.500eboard.com/forums/images/imported/2012/12/129.jpg

gsxr
12-25-2012, 09:02 AM
Again, the purpose for this type of "flag holder" that has a base embedded onto the exterior of the fender, into which a flanged flag-holder is inserted and turned, is a VERY different item than the Japanese "parking mast," which was used to allow drivers to know where the corner of the vehicle is located for close-quarters parking purposes.
Yes, very different... the location is many millimeters, almost inches different. Surprising these would ever be confused or mixed up.

:mushroom:

bing
12-25-2012, 09:27 AM
Agree 100% with Gerry ! Photos are aftermarket japanese parking aid/mast crap blings , EPC stuff from from GSXR/Silverstar/Rik are flag poles! Breaks my heart that the 2 are being confused :banghead:. Long and short, parking mast (whether they illuminate or have MB stars) are NOT original MB accessory. Unless of course we discuss trucks:???:

SilverStar
12-25-2012, 11:01 AM
I had my exporter in Japan make a call to Yanase, Japan's premier Mercedes dealer. He was told that the parking poles are an outsourced item that has been licensed by Mercedes-Benz. The brackets have been given part numbers as they are chassis specific, ie. 126045-xx.