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superstar
04-26-2015, 03:58 AM
I cant really figure where to position E500 badge!

Are there any measurements from various points of the trunk?

I would really appreciate if anyone can help out.

Thanks.

gerryvz
04-26-2015, 06:52 AM
Yes, this measurement is in the service manual.

I have attached the directive that provides this information.

Cheers,
Gerry

superstar
04-26-2015, 08:21 AM
Are these measurements in Metric or Inches?

nocfn
04-26-2015, 09:15 AM
Metric


MO-bile [emoji629]

500AMM
04-27-2015, 08:10 AM
Are these measurements in Metric or Inches?

...:D

nocfn
04-27-2015, 08:17 AM
Metric


MO-bile [emoji629]

superstar
04-28-2015, 01:47 AM
...:D

LOL.. :)

I think Mercedes left the measurements without specifying the measuring unites assuming perhaps that it is just too common to write? Or the end users world wide would use only Metric unites?

Now the next question, is that in MM or CM? Well, duh!! :)

Here is an example of badges installed in Inches.. lol 

bing
04-28-2015, 12:06 PM
TBH, I've never been convinced if that's the correct measurements for facelifted trunks :?:? Pre face lifts ,yes! Trivial by all standard of discussions here, but.... :doh:

I'm assuming both below are original placements ( Gerry's ?) :

Euro :

https://www.500eboard.com/forums/images/imported/2015/04/130.jpg


https://www.500eboard.com/forums/images/imported/2015/04/131.jpg



US spec


http://www.500eboard.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12382&d=1352589224

From the Horizontal line to the base of badge looks a lot more than 21mm to me ;) Well, Gerry's certainly does .:o

Gerry/Dave or any with facelifts care to double check/measure and prove otherwise ?

superstar
04-29-2015, 01:21 AM
Indeed the US specs seem to be seated higher. We need actual measurements from a genuine USA spec .036 badge !

Stevester 500E
04-29-2015, 02:07 AM
good lord it is hideously placed, lol. Put it where you think it belongs, aesthetically pleasing to your eye.
for giggles, I asked a graphic artist what she thought, she thought it was misplaced and un-balanced (not to be confused with symmetrical).
Anyways, she thought it should at least be a little higher.

Her credentials is she works for Disney, what ever that is worth, MIC, KEY, MOUSE !

Why is everyone obsessed with "stock", "factory" ?

I say delete it all together, delete the antenna and sunroof if you think that makes it more appealing to you.

semi-rant and rave, not to be taken too seriously...

nocfn
04-29-2015, 06:50 AM
Mine was resprayed, but the boneheads placed my trunk badge (facelift E500) at the top so very out of place. I printed off a brochure picture, and the measurements about 4 weeks ago and placed it with a level. Looks like its in the right spot. Not having the visual under - line of the single plate makes the difference I think. But I bought my car virtually de-badged with the "Sportrtline" badges on the forward cladding. (they are now hidden on the floor of my shop bench keeping it level)

gsxr
04-29-2015, 08:04 AM
Why is everyone obsessed with "stock", "factory" ?
Because if it's not in the factory stock location, it screams "rear end accident", "repaint", and "shoddy workmanship". But if the owner is happy, I guess that's irrelevant.

:grouphug:

gsxr
04-29-2015, 08:25 AM
TBH, I've never been convinced if that's the correct measurements for facelifted trunks :?:? Pre face lifts ,yes! Trivial by all standard of discussions here, but.... :doh:

I'm assuming both below are original placements ( Gerry's ?) :

From the Horizontal line to the base of badge looks a lot more than 21mm to me ;) Well, Gerry's certainly does .:o

Gerry/Dave or any with facelifts care to double check/measure and prove otherwise ?
Our 1994 E420 is, AFAIK, stock and unmolested. I just measured the badge location and it is 30mm in and 30mm up, 1mm. This is clearly different than the pre-facelift specs.

Gerry's car appears to have the badge even higher vertically, and I suspect that is not the original location. I'll check my other facelift cars and see what they measure...

https://www.500eboard.com/forums/images/imported/2015/04/134.jpg

:detective:

superstar
04-29-2015, 08:36 AM
That’s interesting! The badge location with 30mm in and up looks perfect to me.. BTW, nice and clean E420 you got there..

Klink
04-29-2015, 08:56 AM
good lord it is hideously placed, lol. Put it where you think it belongs, aesthetically pleasing to your eye.
for giggles, I asked a graphic artist what she thought, she thought it was misplaced and un-balanced (not to be confused with symmetrical).
Anyways, she thought it should at least be a little higher.

Her credentials is she works for Disney, what ever that is worth, MIC, KEY, MOUSE !

Why is everyone obsessed with "stock", "factory" ?

I say delete it all together, delete the antenna and sunroof if you think that makes if more appealing to you.

semi-rant and rave, not to be taken too seriously...


Because if it's not in the factory stock location, it screams "rear end accident", "repaint", and "shoddy workmanship". But if the owner is happy, I guess that's irrelevant.

:grouphug:

:plusone: X a billion !

Nothing screams, shouts, bellows, howls, caterwauls, exalts, trumpets "I HAVE HAD COLLISION REPAIRS AND THEY WERE DONE AT A CHEAP- ASS NOT TO MB STANDARD SHOP!" like incorrect or incorrectly installed trunk badges.

My personal preference is for no badge ever since I noticed that every euro 6.9 I saw in the '70s and early '80s didn't have them. I rapidly grew to love the cleanliness of the look, and since then I have reveled in that every time I've seen it.
Of course, it now has to occur to me that my badgeless preference probably also sends negative bodywork vibes to those that don't know any better. Then I have to admit to myself that this makes me like it even more. I guess it's kind of a double-secret/reverse/inverse/mirror image elitism(?)

To Stevester's point, my advice on this somewhat esoteric subject always comes in the form of the question "What do YOU like?" That will always be "what to do", unless one is fixing the car up to sell it, in which case the correct bage correctly positioned is a must.

The most recent trunk badge outrages that are now becoming commonplace started occurring since the badges were formed by individual discrete figures no longer linked by an underline. MB supplies the badges in kits that attempt to cover a large number of models, so your 202 C230 is likely to be supplied with a CLK320 trunk badge kit. Yep, you bet! They slap them on just like that. So now, it not only screams my capitalized yell up above, but adds to it "The people that worked on me did not know what they were working on, did not care what they were working on, and they can't read either" This could well be an unfair characterization, because I have seen magnificent body work done by people that could not read, but it still says something about their supervision and the shops' final inspection/quality control...
:klink:

Klink
04-29-2015, 09:07 AM
Gixxer's and Gerry's both look good to me. FWIW, The installation instructions for the individual figure badges state to place them in the million dollar placement fixture that fits perfectly against the trunk lid. Yes, they made one for each individual chassis trunk lid. You set a figure into each of the segments in the installation fixture and press them home. Only really high volume MB specialist body shops had these.

bing
04-29-2015, 09:42 AM
I just measured the badge location and it is 30mm in and 30mm up, 1mm. This is clearly different than the pre-facelift specs.


Aha !!


The installation instructions for the individual figure badges state to place them in the million dollar placement fixture that fits perfectly against the trunk lid. Yes, they made one for each individual chassis trunk lid. You set a figure into each of the segments in the installation fixture and press them home.

Quite ! ...Standard factory procedure , sorta like a giant stencil they use which is shaped in respective trunk lids. Could you imagine re badging/DIY-ing a new "PORSCHE 911 CARRERA S" with a bit of measuring tape :doh: ? I think not! I'd sooner leave it blank.

gsxr
04-29-2015, 10:13 AM
More fuel for the feuer:

Facelift car #2: Measurements are 25-27mm, but this car was repainted, and the badge was removed/replaced.

Facelift car #3: Measurements are 27-35mm (!), but I don't have definite history to prove if the badge was ever removed/replaced.

Would be interesting to get some more measurements, even better if they were from original-owner facelift cars where the badge is known to be in factory location.

:tumble:

Stevester 500E
04-29-2015, 07:24 PM
And which one looks better to your eye and which one screams,"rear end accident", "repaint", and "shoddy workmanship".


More fuel for the feuer:

Facelift car #2: Measurements are 25-27mm, but this car was repainted, and the badge was removed/replaced.

Facelift car #3: Measurements are 27-35mm (!), but I don't have definite history to prove if the badge was ever removed/replaced.

Would be interesting to get some more measurements, even better if they were from original-owner facelift cars where the badge is known to be in factory location.

:tumble:

Stevester 500E
04-29-2015, 07:32 PM
The time when mis-bagging really annoys me is when I am at a pick and pull and I see the trunk of car badged as a 600SEL.

And I am thinking, this is my lucky day, I found a 600sel grill !

Then I go to the front and the hood is open, and I see an M104 motor.

That's when the sad Charlie Brown music starts playing.......

gsxr
04-29-2015, 08:34 PM
And which one looks better to your eye and which one screams,"rear end accident", "repaint", and "shoddy workmanship".
The one at 25-27 looks ok. The one at 35mm (vertical) clearly looks misplaced to my eyes.

:pc1:

Klink
04-30-2015, 12:23 AM
The time when mis-bagging really annoys me is when I am at a pick and pull and I see the trunk of car badged as a 600SEL.

And I am thinking, this is my lucky day, I found a 600sel grill !

Then I go to the front and the hood is open, and I see an M104 motor.

That's when the sad Charlie Brown music starts playing.......

Stevester, almost all 140 and 129 600s that you see will be missing on 6 cylinders because they are missing 6 cylinders. Just like so very many "AMG" cars aren't...
:klink:

superstar
04-30-2015, 05:33 AM
The one at 25-27 looks ok. The one at 35mm (vertical) clearly looks misplaced to my eyes.

:pc1:

With all these variations in the measurements, this is becoming more confusing!
We need more data to confirm the ideal placement of the factory look badge. Anyone with a stock badge “not been tampered with”? Pictures will be always good

gerryvz
05-24-2015, 03:51 PM
More fuel for the feuer:

Facelift car #2: Measurements are 25-27mm, but this car was repainted, and the badge was removed/replaced.

Facelift car #3: Measurements are 27-35mm (!), but I don't have definite history to prove if the badge was ever removed/replaced.

Would be interesting to get some more measurements, even better if they were from original-owner facelift cars where the badge is known to be in factory location.

:tumble:


Gixxer's and Gerry's both look good to me. FWIW, The installation instructions for the individual figure badges state to place them in the million dollar placement fixture that fits perfectly against the trunk lid. Yes, they made one for each individual chassis trunk lid. You set a figure into each of the segments in the installation fixture and press them home. Only really high volume MB specialist body shops had these.


Our 1994 E420 is, AFAIK, stock and unmolested. I just measured the badge location and it is 30mm in and 30mm up, 1mm. This is clearly different than the pre-facelift specs.

Gerry's car appears to have the badge even higher vertically, and I suspect that is not the original location. I'll check my other facelift cars and see what they measure...

:detective:


TBH, I've never been convinced if that's the correct measurements for facelifted trunks :?:? Pre face lifts ,yes! Trivial by all standard of discussions here, but.... :doh:

I'm assuming both below are original placements ( Gerry's ?) :

From the Horizontal line to the base of badge looks a lot more than 21mm to me ;) Well, Gerry's certainly does .:o

Gerry/Dave or any with facelifts care to double check/measure and prove otherwise ?As far as I know, my car is a 100% unmolested US-spec car. It has no record of being hit or trunk paintwork, nor have I done anything to it since I got it at around 67K miles about 12 years ago.

I just went out to the shop and took some measurements, and here is what I found (both measurements 1mm):

Distance vertically from bottom of logo "E" to the first "inward" crease in the trunk lid: 1 1/4 inches = 31.75 mm

Distance horizontally from side of logo "E" to the edge of the trunk lid (left edge, slanted): 1 1/8 inches = 28.575 mm

KDAWG97M3
09-28-2015, 03:58 PM
so after looking at some pics i see the badges on the rear drivers side, mine is on the pass side rear? is this accurate? car is a 1992, and original trunk and what i think is paint...thanks

gsxr
09-28-2015, 04:21 PM
Nope. Belongs on the driver side.

KDAWG97M3
09-28-2015, 06:31 PM
thank you sir...so i assume i need a new badge now...cant re stick it...shoot...now i need to find where to buy it, other than the stealer...

gsxr
09-28-2015, 06:37 PM
You can try to re-stick it, but if that doesn't work well, the only source is the dealer. Badges were $20-$30 or so last I checked.

Someone recommended Scotch #274 double-sided tape... haven't used it personally.

:banana1:

nocfn
09-28-2015, 07:18 PM
If you use 3m adhesive remover, you can gently remove them, then lay your guide tape. Re -wet them with the same 3m adhesive remover and reset. Mine are still on since I got the car in April and I removed them twice.

Lynch
12-17-2015, 07:28 AM
Have anyone considered debadging or is that a poor look?

I have an Euro trunk on my E500, and would like to get a US trunk and badge it properly, but now I'm wondering if I should just keep it debadged instead, since I am a little OCD about these little details.

It took me nearly 5 hours to install a simple lip spoiler on my daily driver, as I was trying to make sure it was stuck 100% in the centre... Haha

Klink
12-17-2015, 08:34 AM
Have anyone considered debadging or is that a poor look?

I have an Euro trunk on my E500, and would like to get a US trunk and badge it properly, but now I'm wondering if I should just keep it debadged instead, since I am a little OCD about these little details.

It took me nearly 5 hours to install a simple lip spoiler on my daily driver, as I was trying to make sure it was stuck 100% in the centre... Haha

Completely opinionated a rant here. Like it if you do, don't get mad if you don't...

What's in a name? Well, it depends.

In the late '70s - early '80s I had the opportunity to work on a lot of "gray market" European cars. It was then that I noticed that the "cooler/more special" a car was, the less likely it was to have a model indicator badge. Some present company excepted, but I also noticed that the more clueless idiot/general d-bag an owner was, the more badges were on his car. The worst of those as you might guess had fake badges on their cars, magically turning their S320 into an S600 V12, AMG badges all over cars that AMG had nothing to do with, etc. etc.

I already loved the badgeless look because I have an almost obsessive "less is more" asthetic preference, but my social observations completely cemented it. The "cooler" the car, the more it needs to be de-badged. More pedestrian cars I tend to leave alone, but I have had three 500Es, and the badges came off of each of those almost before the ink was dry on the paperwork. And yes, I am objective enough to realize that my preference is as arguably superficial and formed by social bias as any other, and that it actually functions as an "anti-status" form of status seeking...

I do however find a practical aspect to the naked look. I really prefer that those not already knowledgeable pay no attention to it. Attention from the innocent is sometimes annoying, and attention from the non-innocent is potentially far worse. I am perfectly happy to have criminals and law-enforcement pay it no mind, while those that I actually may care to impress already know exactly what it is when they see it.

Having said all that, I will say what I always say about these matters: It's your car! Do it exactly the way you like it. You are the single most important person on the face of this earth that it needs to appeal to.

Interestingly enough, one of the first things I noticed when I got gen-u-wine/official Mercedes-Benz training and literature, was that the badges and model names were (and still are) almost derisively referred to as "sales designations"
:klink:

bing
12-17-2015, 08:35 AM
Not a poor look at all, just some owners like a clean look, easier to polish the area and a true sleeper statement.

gsxr
12-17-2015, 09:54 AM
My $0.02: If you like badgeless, go for it. HOWEVER - buy a new badge and keep it in a safe place, for resale purposes. The badges may become NLA in the future, or otherwise difficult to obtain. Picking one up now is cheap insurance.

:pc1:

Klink
12-17-2015, 10:01 AM
My $0.02: If you like badgeless, go for it. HOWEVER - buy a new badge and keep it in a safe place, for resale purposes. The badges may become NLA in the future, or otherwise difficult to obtain. Picking one up now is cheap insurance.

:pc1:

Yes!! Excellent advice. I need to do that. Thanks for pointing it out.
:gsxrlove:

samiam44
12-17-2015, 10:18 AM
I figured it badgeless was kinda like Braless... If it's a nice shape, don't need any help!


Michael

Bogeyman
12-17-2015, 10:35 AM
I usually prefer badgeless, but a word of caution. I bought a '95 SL500 about 10 years ago in 199 Black Pearl, original paint, car from Florida. When I took the badges off there was a definite color difference underneath that I couldn't get to blend in no matter what I tried. May be a fluke, I don't know as I haven't had the problem on numerous others I have done.

lowman
12-17-2015, 11:28 AM
the most funny thing about badging..is that in the states...every 124 was badged as a 300e....but they had additional badges on the right hand side which indicated if it actually WAS a 3 litre..or its little brother..the 2.6, cant remember if this was a "Gasoline" "car" thing only..or if it was like this on the diesel cars aswell.
In Europe ...they were badged to reflect what engine was actually in there.

I think this is a kindoff fun fact:) ..as maaaany of the US 500e owners..seem to enjoy the DEBADGE look even more than the European owners...and that may come from beeing veeery formiliar with the "FALSE" badging from back in the day... say the "300e" you got over there in the states.


just a thought :)

Klink
12-17-2015, 12:42 PM
the most funny thing about badging..is that in the states...every 124 was badged as a 300e....but they had additional badges on the right hand side which indicated if it actually WAS a 3 litre..or its little brother..the 2.6, cant remember if this was a "Gasoline" "car" thing only..or if it was like this on the diesel cars aswell.
In Europe ...they were badged to reflect what engine was actually in there.

I think this is a kindoff fun fact:) ..as maaaany of the US 500e owners..seem to enjoy the DEBADGE look even more than the European owners...and that may come from beeing veeery formiliar with the "FALSE" badging of.. say the "300e" you got over there in the states.


just a thought :)

LOL, your point is completely understood and well taken. What happened was this: In the late 80s the 300E won the "best overall sedan" etc. etc. award in a number of American car and lifestyle magazines, even in a "consumer" publication or two that perennially hated on expensive European cars. The USA marketing people finally gave up trying to explain overall excellence, 124-ish-ness, and so on, and just named every 124 body car a "300". It made purists like me want to puke,
:barf:
but in business terms, it was exactly the right thing to do. Suddenly, a lot more Americans could afford that "best" car that they had read or been told about. On one hand this sounds so incredibly stupid, but on the other hand, it worked. It worked, and it continues to work magnificently.

People, maybe especially Americans are so badge number conscious that they literally can't even trust their own eyes. I can't tell you how many times a 300E was out of a customer's desired budget range but a 260E fit right in. They would literally stand there with two identically optioned and same color cars side-by-side and adamantly and angrily tell you to stop "bullshitting" and "playing games" with them because the 300 was obviously "so much bigger" than the 260.

No, they were not talking about the engine displacement. They knew nothing about engine displacement. Less than nothing. Yes, they were honestly talking about the size of the body. They would go between the two cars and attempt to "show" you how much less room they had in the 260! You could walk from car to car with a ruler and they would still look straight at you and say while pointing to the ruler (!) "I don't care what THAT thing says! It's smaller!"
:doh:

I don't know how much you deal with the public, but people do this kind of thing all day long. At least, they do over here. If you did not see it with your own eyes, you would never believe it.
That's the power numbers have over so many consumers.

We are not the only culture that this happens to and/or that perpetrates this nonsense. There are countless examples that I don't have the time to go over. One of my favorites occurred when the 2.4L M112 engines were replaced by 2.6L engines. This was done with the introduction of the 203 chassis. We asked why it was being sold as a C240 instead of C260, as standard practice was to make the numbers as big as possible, even if they were somehow fake. We were told that the 202 C240 was a bestseller in other world markets, and they did not want to mess with that. I can only figure that somehow the USA marketing people did not know about this change in time for the market roll out or that thing would've been changed to a "C260" pronto.
Go figure...
:klink:

gerryvz
03-18-2016, 08:27 AM
Looks like MB has finally quit producing the "500E" trunk badges, and in the parts catalogs has superseded the "500E" trunk logo (124 817 37 15) to the "E500" trunk logo part number.

lowman
03-18-2016, 08:42 AM
Looks like MB has finally quit producing the "500E" trunk badges, and in the parts catalogs has superseded the "500E" trunk logo (124 817 37 15) to the "E500" trunk logo part number.


sounds like its time to go get another one...just to have two new "500e" trunk badges in the parts box :)luckily i have one brand new in my parts box :)

gsxr
03-18-2016, 09:14 AM
Looks like MB has finally quit producing the "500E" trunk badges, and in the parts catalogs has superseded the "500E" trunk logo (124 817 37 15) to the "E500" trunk logo part number.
Have you called a dealer and confirmed that Paragon shows zero stock on the 500E badge, with an "NLA" code, and supercession to the E500 badge? Or did you just check an online source?

:stickpoke:

gerryvz
03-18-2016, 09:15 AM
Have you called a dealer and confirmed that Paragon shows zero stock on the 500E badge, with an "NLA" code, and supercession to the E500 badge? Or did you just check an online source?

https://www.500eboard.com/forums/images/imported/2016/03/4.gif
Actually, I sent a couple of emails out to dealer sources this morning to check that very same thing via "Parts-be-gone"


UPDATE - 9:54 AM CDT: Three out of four dealer parts sources I've requested are confirming that the 500E trunk badge is considered an "obsolete" part number; no stock is available anywhere in the US or Germany; and that the part number has been superseded to the "E500" trunk badge part number.

:mushroom::mushroom::mushroom::stickpoke::gsxracer :

600Eric
03-18-2016, 12:10 PM
Looks like word might have already got out. This guy on eBay has two and is asking $100 each for them:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-W124-500-E-Trunk-Badge-Emblem-/262302961503?hash=item3d12798f5f:g:KcIAAOSw~OVWy3g m&vxp=mtr


For any of you big ballers out there you can pick one of these Gold ones for only $25

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Mercedes-Benz-500E-Gold-Emblem-124-817-16-15-/111934296548?hash=item1a0fcdd1e4:g:SVQAAOSwZ1lWewA 7&vxp=mtr

gerryvz
03-18-2016, 01:38 PM
I thought you were our site's big baller, Eric !!

600Eric
03-18-2016, 09:59 PM
I thought you were our site's big baller, Eric !!


Yeah right, mid size baller at best. However on that note I am rollin' on 20's with the new W222

:spend:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InGtiEXQyF0

Lynch
05-22-2016, 05:20 AM
This is kind of off-topic, but have anyone noticed that the new MB AMG badging has the AMG on the left side with the model number on the right side?

Any speculation as to why they've decided to do this? It looks really off to me, after being used to always having the model number on the left.