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    Rear seat back removal

    Does anyone know how to remove the rear seat back? The bottoms were easy but I'm stumped on the back. To make matters worse i have sheepskin covers that might be hiding what I should be looking for. I'm removing so i can get rid of the sheepskins.

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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    Mark, the seatback has 3 small screws with 8mm heads. One at each side near the seat belt bottom attachment bolt, and a third at the bottom center. With those removed, the seat lifts straight up about 2 inches and then out. It can be tough to get it popped up & out.


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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    Sunday tech session going on at Ntrepid's house today. On the agenda.....rear seat-back removal!
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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    It was a good day for my car. A full cluster and console LED conversion per the perfected Ntrepid method. And then full rear seat removal to take off the sheapskins and then leatherique.

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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    And I forgot to mention I took off the HVAC control wood, ashtray, ashtray surround wood, shifter console wood, front roll top, and rear rolltop to send to Madera concepts for refinishing.

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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    With the back seat removal, did you have access to the headrest mechanisms?
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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    Louis -

    I don't think so. The rear seats come up and over the rear deck where the speakers, first aid kit, and high brake lamp sit. I think it definitely makes it easier to get to the headset mechanisms (as I have to believe this is a step along the way to getting to them).


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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    Quote Originally Posted by 8899 View Post
    Sunday tech session going on at Ntrepid's house today. On the agenda.....rear seat-back removal!
    That's a great photo Greg. The cars look great. Can't find that much green in SoCal.

    It looks like you country boys got all of the modern conveniences.
    Even got an outhouse back there. Ha Ha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryA View Post
    Even got an outhouse back there. Ha Ha!
    We expect to have indoor plumbing next week after Pa sells the rest of turnip crop.


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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ntrepid View Post
    Louis -

    I don't think so. The rear seats come up and over the rear deck where the speakers, first aid kit, and high brake lamp sit. I think it definitely makes it easier to get to the headset mechanisms (as I have to believe this is a step along the way to getting to them).


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    also you can't really tell what's back there because it's all covered with sound insulation mat. If you want I can take pics.

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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    Quote Originally Posted by nocfn View Post
    With the back seat removal, did you have access to the headrest mechanisms?
    Are your headrest mechs faulty? Check the vacuum control switch first it is under the driver side rear seat cushion. Engine vacuum is needed to pop the headrests down. I would try just hooking the vacuum lines together to quickly bypass the switch and test if the headrests will drop.

    If you need to remove the headrest mechs let me know - I can describe how - with pictures. (I have spare headrest mechanisms on the shelf)
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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    I have spare headrests as well as a precaution. Vacuum works properly but the PO removed the parcel shelf and recovered it, did not put in the medical box nor the sunshade. So I suspect that the sunshade is over-riding the movement of the headrests, or the headrests are not provided with vac and or electrics. Either the switch is overridden due to the missing sunshade or the vacuum tubes are not hooked up to the pods on the tilt mechanism. So back seat back removed to remove parcel shelf to expose the headrest assembly if I read you all right?
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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    I believe that the rear headrest hinge mechanisms are only accessible from inside the trunk, underneath the rear deck. The vacuum control is also mounted under the rear deck, and the Pierburg electro-vacuum switch for the rear headrests is located under the rear seat-bottom on the driver's side.

    As GSXR & Ntrepid state, once the bottom bolts are removed, the entire seatback slides upward and then lifts off of the rear deck and forward.

    One of the biggest issues with the rear headrests, for new and even experienced owners of E500E models in US guise, is that they rear headrests don't go down when the dashboard button is pressed. 99 out of 100 times, this situation is because the small micro-switches in the rear sun-shade retraction channel are not being pressed inward, and completing the electrical circuit that enables the headrests to fall. This is because the rear sunshade doesn't fully retract, and instead goes down and "clicks" loudly.

    NOTE TO ALL: If your rear headrests' retraction function is NOT working, press the sun-shade down into its channel in the rear deck, and activate the two micro-switches. Then start your car, and with the engine idling, hit the dash-button to lower them.

    You will very very likely be rewarded with the dual dull thud of the rear rests falling into place.

    Cheers,
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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    NOTE TO ALL: If your rear headrests' retraction function is NOT working, press the sun-shade down into its channel in the rear deck, and activate the two micro-switches. Then start your car, and with the engine idling, hit the dash-button to lower them.

    You will very very likely be rewarded with the dual dull thud of the rear rests falling into place.

    Cheers,
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    +1. And to help the sunshade go down nicely you might consider doing another one of the things that we did on Sunday. Ntrepid had some teflon paste (Robert, is that what it was?) and he put a few dabs in the tracks at the top of the shade. After cycling a few times to spread the paste, the shade moved noticeably faster and more smoothly.

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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    So what do you fellows suggest for us poor bastards who do not have a sunshade, sunshade switch and no rear thud of the headrests? If it is as simple as getting a switch in there and pressing it to close a circuit, then I will do it. I fear that there is nothing connected and that is to say, no switch connected at the dash and no shade to receive current from the missing switch. Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melville View Post
    Ntrepid had some teflon paste (Robert, is that what it was?) and he put a few dabs in the tracks at the top of the shade. After cycling a few times to spread the paste, the shade moved noticeably faster and more smoothly.
    Indeed! My sunshade works like a charm now after the teflon treatment in the slide rails.
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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    Here is what we were using and 3 out of 3 E500E owners recommend it.

    100% Teflon.

    BTW, probably makes sense to first take a Q-tip and clean the tracks of 20+ years of pollen/dustdust.


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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    Source? Vendor?


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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    I went back to where I had purchased the tube (www.sandsmachine.com) and apparently, DuPont stopped making it. They went through a lot of testing (none of which would apply to our rear shade) for a replacement and settled on this:

    Finish Line™ Extreme Fluoro Grease (link). 100% Teflon and $11.05.

    I think the key here is the applicator itself. The syringe allows you to get lubrication on a track which is tough even for a Q-tip to fit.


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    I bought a bag of curved syringes like that off amazon and fill them with ATF, gleitpaste and whatnot for the various lube circumstances. snip off the end for stuff like black molly or the syl-glyde but they really help for things like ball sockets and door hinges.
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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    Thanks Robert,

    I have the same problem. Sunshade doesn't retract all the way. I've just left the headrests up. Between your Teflon paste and Gerry's instruction on pushing the shade to the bottom of the tract. I might get it to work right again.

    I had a problem a few years ago where the shade got stuck in the up position. I was at a Cars & Coffee and a friend just went back there and fiddled with it and it went down. After that I used Syl-Glyde in the tract and it still goes up and down but not completely. I do get the click at the bottom but I try to avoid clicking it. Maybe with a better cleaning and the Teflon paste it will retract properly.

    BTW, I think the paste was just re-packaged under a different brand name. It looks to me like DuPont licensed a vendor to sell the product. Doesn't it still say a100% Teflon. Hard to read on my phone. I will be ordering some today.)
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    Terry -

    It does say 100% Teflon. The replacement which was recommended is also 100% Teflon.


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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    Quote Originally Posted by nocfn View Post
    So what do you fellows suggest for us poor bastards who do not have a sunshade, sunshade switch and no rear thud of the headrests? If it is as simple as getting a switch in there and pressing it to close a circuit, then I will do it. I fear that there is nothing connected and that is to say, no switch connected at the dash and no shade to receive current from the missing switch. Thoughts?
    Revive this thread to see if there is an answer.
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    Rear seat back removal

    I have the same issue with my new 1992 500E. The rear sun shade is stuck all the way up.
    Is there a thread on removal of sun shade so maybe it can be repaired and serviced better on a table?
    Is the rear seat required to be removed for this issue?



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    Re: Rear seat back removal

    The C pillar trims, the complete back seat, the rear headrests and the rear parcel shelf have to be removed in order to repair/remove the sunshade. I don't think there is a HOW TO thread covering the whole procedure, but you may find various threads addressing some of the different elements of the process.

    If you have access to EPC/WIS, the WIS gives full instructions.

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