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    FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Link below. $2000 AUD

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    Rare 17inch AMG Oz Racing Wheels

    Super rare 3pc wheels full set plus 1

    Spare amg oz Racing

    Cash only!!!!!!!!!!

    Will ship overseas at buyers expense

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    $2000 AUD is about $1600 USD. Either Hoff is cleaning out his garage, or about to add 5 wheels to his collection...

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    mother****. If I hadn't just bought my chrome monoblock AMG wheels last week

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Don't feel too bad. Pretty likely at least one has cracks near the lug bolt holes, which these are notorious for. This fellow went so far as to custom fabricate replacements:

    http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10589


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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Beautifull wheels just too risky with all cracks for me
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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    They only cracks you will see is when your bending over
    admiring the wheels, No cracks will upload more detail pic
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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Shipping to the USA would be an absolute killer.

    Wanna PM me a shipped price to ZIP code 92618?

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    freight is best by sea takes 2 months but is like $400 but cheap still

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    I hate to give bad news, but I can see cracks in 2 of your wheels. In pic #2 the top center and top right lug holes have cracks. In pic #4 the upper left and lower left have cracks. The cracks are where the lug hole meets the center cap opening and they usually flow all the way down to the lug seat.

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    nah its dirt i will take close ups and post them there all good

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Quote Originally Posted by SG-Motorsports View Post
    I hate to give bad news, but I can see cracks in 2 of your wheels. In pic #2 the top center and top right lug holes have cracks. In pic #4 the upper left and lower left have cracks. The cracks are where the lug hole meets the center cap opening and they usually flow all the way down to the lug seat.
    Good eye Steve. I'm looking at the pics on my phone but also looks like the wheel in the 4th pic possiblly has one too (lug hole at 8:00 position). Such a bummer about these wheels as I love them and really want a set in the collection but am too afraid to buy any sight unseen (or at least without someone I trust being able to inspect them) 😕

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    I have been heavily involved as a collector of these rims for some 10 years (stopped chasing them across the globe some 3 years ago when other priorities took over and my rim collection was vast).
    These days out of all my stash i set aside 10 rims sorted out of the collection identified as having cracks and use them only as spare parts.
    The rest are all good and the ones i have on my own Mercs are treated with respect and have never given me any issues (correct lug bolts/correct torque which is always done by hand -no shop rattle gun is ever coming anywhere near my rims and i avoid curbs when parking and no abuse as my mercs are cruisers and are not thrashed).

    I would never sell a split width set for AUD$2k though as that is way too cheap for such an iconic AMG forged 3 piece rare rim as i would be losing money selling at that price.
    Any rims i sold would come with many close-up pics and a guarantee that they are 100% good as its my good reputation on the line and i am well known across the global Merc forums

    I just sold a set to a genuine AMG owner in the UK who now has them bolted up to his Merc and these dedicated enthusiasts only deal with persons whom they can place total trust in.

    If yours are cracked as they look like it to me in studying those pics above (Pic 2 and Pic 4) you had better come clean as you will get roasted otherwise on here.
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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Quote Originally Posted by HOFF View Post
    you had better come clean as you will get roasted otherwise on here.
    He may get roasted here, but he won't be banned like other global Merc forums that are itchy on the trigger finger are keen to do.

    Unless he causes problems here, misrepresents his car, or tries to shake down various folks to try to mooch 6L electronic parts off of them for free - actions which did get Boondavi banned from this forum. Though I'm sure he's logged on under another name.

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    cleaned fine dirt and grease runs from rims there was 1 0r 2 spots that paint is discoloured and chipped maybe from previous refurb, hope you all happy not trying to deceive anyone u make up your own minds. I know what these rims are and $2k is ok with me
    there 17inch and need to be refurbished, if they don't sell its not a problem
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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    they were posted sold on BW last night if I read it right...
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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Low low,

    Thanks for the much better pictures. If they are indeed sold congratulations but if they are not I still might be interested. However even with your new pictures I'm still concerned with at least two of them. The one on the 1st picture sure appears to have cracks between the lug holes in three locations (holes at 1:00, 5:00, 7:00 and maybe even 9:00). It just appears that they have been painted or refinished at some point (after they were cracked) and that is somewhat masking the cracks. I'm also a bit concerned about the one in the 4th picture where it pretty much looks to be the same case in the hole located at 5:00 position. Even with that being the case I'm still willing to buy the wheels at your asking price with shipping to Southern California (roughly $2,400 AD / $1,848.00 US) but only will do so under the following conditions. The payment will be made immediately via PayPal (today) but it will include their "Pay After Delivery"option. The PayPal transaction will also include the terms of the transaction including but not limited to the release of funds being contingenton on inspection for damaged after receipt and specifically noted the known"cracking problem" at the lug holes discussed here. Once the wheels have been received they will immediately be inspected (with a large magnifying glass among other things) and once verified to indeed be 100% free of any cracks I will have PayPal release the funds right way. In short as long as they are what you are advertising them to be we are good.

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    They are pending sale, big magnifying glass lol, got this cartoon like image in
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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Quote Originally Posted by lowlow View Post
    They are pending sale, big magnifying glass lol, got this cartoon like image in
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    OK no problem and thanks for the response. If your deal falls through (like a lot of them unfortunately do) let me know as there is no "pending" with my deals.

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

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    If the pending sale falls thru....
    These areas look concerning in my professional opinion. A pic of the lug holes cleaned would be great along with the back side of the lug holes. Or if possible dye penetrant test (PT) them and show pics. I would recommend a PT test to anyone looking to buy any crack prone wheel, if you can't physically inspect yourself.

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    would also check them on the "outside" bolt holes,or on the outer edge of the spokes....,Ive seen them crack severly there aswell....
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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Quote Originally Posted by 7delta View Post
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    If the pending sale falls thru....
    These areas look concerning in my professional opinion. A pic of the lug holes cleaned would be great along with the back side of the lug holes. Or if possible dye penetrant test (PT) them and show pics. I would recommend a PT test to anyone looking to buy any crack prone wheel, if you can't physically inspect yourself.

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    Exactly!
    This is the only way to check out this. Dye Penetrant inspection (DPI) and Fluorescent inspection is surface inspection methods, which means they reveal defects open to the surface on the object. That means the coating has to be removed permanently or lightly rubbed to give access for the penetrant to potential cracks.

    Machining can also be done to remove a thin layer of the surface, but it is a risk for closing the defect by squeezing material into the crevice, especially on soft materials like Alu alloys.

    Any kind of blasting, like sand or glass blasting is not recommended as they likely close the crevice as of the same reason as machining.

    PT/DPI is a simple and quick inspection, hence it is cheap. It can be done by anyone supposed they get advices and some training from experienced personell. But this inspection method is widely used among fabricators dealing with welding of stainless steels or Aluminium alloys, so that would be a good lead.
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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Can I do this test? Or is it pros only?

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Pics 1 and 4 rims definitely need close inspection.
    It would help if you clean up the centre bore hole with brake cleaner or carby cleaner and steel wool and same for lug holes to get spotless clean metal in the centre bore and remove any paint ( i use a small a dremel with a wire brush wheel - but a cordless drill with small wire brush wheel will work just as good)
    It is easy then to identify any cracks under strong light and magnifying glass - especially if you are inspecting the centre bore hole.

    Dubious sellers (not at all referring to you personally) have been known to glue up the cracks with metal glue then smooth and paint over to hide the cracks.
    A spotless clean centre bore hole that has been cleaned up back to fresh metal will easily identify this.
    I have never seen these rims crack anywhere else other than the around the bore hole region and i have personally owned over 50 of these rims in the past and inspected every one of them so i am very familiar in spotting faults.

    Below are some pics of cracked rims so you know what to look for in inspecting yours.

    Eric i would assume you are chasing a split width set with the 17 x 10 ET rears (these can be converted into widebody format for an SEC widebody) but you cannot use the front ET18 centre on the rear
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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Quote Originally Posted by HOFF View Post
    Eric i would assume you are chasing a split width set with the 17 x 10 ET rears (these can be converted into widebody format for an SEC widebody) but you cannot use the front ET18 centre on the rear
    Hoff, I was not aware of this... what is the problem with the ET18 center on the rear? What items cause interference? Can spacers be used to make them work?

    BTW - thanks for posting the photos of the cracks - excellent pics!

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    The depth of the hub mount on 8.5" et18 front rim centre is significantly deeper than the depth of a hub mount on a 10" et17 rim centre
    That is why a front AMG rim takes an 85mm lug bolt with a 39mm shank versus the shorter length rear lug bolt.
    The inner barrel of a rear rim is 7inches and lip 3inches and it sits spot on regards the clearance of the inner barrel/tire to the inner wheel well.
    The outer lip can be swapped out for a wider lip to accommodate a widebody version - replace with a 4" lip or 4.5" lip or extreme 5" lip (as Henric did with his 5inch lips)
    Putting a front centre on the rear which would sit out a lot further would mess up your wheel geometry/track in relation to the front and rear rims

    The front 8.5" rims on a widebody can have the lips swapped out and increased in width in proportion to how much the rear rim is widened - so going an inch wider on the rears means going an inch wider on the front so for example an 11inch wide rear and a 9.5inch wide front keeps it all in proportion.
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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Quote Originally Posted by HOFF View Post
    Eric i would assume you are chasing a split width set with the 17 x 10 ET rears (these can be converted into widebody format for an SEC widebody) but you cannot use the front ET18 centre on the rear
    Actually I'm looking for both a square set up like this set as well as a staggered set, but since I need more wheels like I need a hole in the head I am not actively trying to hunt any down, I am just waiting for the right opportunities to present themselves.

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Quote Originally Posted by HOFF View Post
    Pics 1 and 4 rims definitely need close inspection.
    It would help if you clean up the centre bore hole with brake cleaner or carby cleaner and steel wool and same for lug holes to get spotless clean metal in the centre bore and remove any paint ( i use a small a dremel with a wire brush wheel - but a cordless drill with small wire brush wheel will work just as good)
    It is easy then to identify any cracks under strong light and magnifying glass - especially if you are inspecting the centre bore hole.
    Hoff,

    Thank you very much for the perfect sample pictures and your recommendations. I would inspect this set exactly how you have outlined and for that matter have more or less so done so with roughly the same approach with with sets I have looked at locally in the past.


    lowlow,

    What Hoff has recommended is obviously not really difficult or time consuming and could very well prevent both you and a buyer (me or anyone else) a lot of grief and headaches later. As virtually everyone on this thread has noted it almost certainly appears you have at least one wheel that has multiple cracks and another with at least one. To put all the speculation to rest you should clean them up exactly how Hoff has outlined in his post and provide updated pictures. To reiterate what he said be sure to use something like a Dremel, some wet dry sandpaper and / or even some Scotch Brite pads to remove all the paint, dirt, brake dust stains, etc. where clear pictures of the raw metal in the areas of question could be provided. Lastly on a positive given you have 5 wheels even if the one highly suspect one is bad but the other 4 check out you still have a complete set to sell and you could just include the hardware and barrels from the bad wheel as spares for the buyer. I would definitely still be interested under those circumstances.
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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Quote Originally Posted by lowlow View Post
    Can I do this test? Or is it pros only?
    Yes, you can do. It's not nearly as technical as other forms of non destructive examination (NDE) such as Ultrasonic Testing (UT). In the US the supplies can be found through suppliers such as MSC, MC MASTER- CARR, ZORO, and likely Amazon. Magnaflux is the brand I use at work on a daily basis. There are other brands. The following is a quick, down and dirty explanation.
    There are 3 chemicals needed. Cleaner, dye pnetrant, developer. It can be a messy process. The Dye can and will stain, so wear gloves!!
    Step 1: Clean area thoroughly with supplied cleanr and lint free clothes, allow to dry thoroughly.5-10 min
    Step 2: Apply dye. This can be sprayed on via an aresol can, but I do not recommend this, Unless you are doing large areas. I would spray into a container and use a small brush, such as an acid brush to apply. The dye soaks into the cracks via capillary action so it needs to set for 10 min.
    Step 3: Wipe off excess dye with a lint free cloth. Then apply cleaner to cloth and wipe any surface residue off. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT apply cleaner directly to suface being inspected/tested. The principle here is to not wash out the Dye from the surface breaking indications/flaws etc.. Again let dry 5-10 min.
    Step 4: Apply developer. Which is a combination Talc(white) and a highly evaporative liquid. It smells like acetone. Let dry. It will likely dry in a few moments. But you must let it set for 5-10 min. Some codes say 15 min. Any cracks or indications will show as the color of the dye. Likely, Red. The Dye wicks up to the developer via capillary action. The attached pic is what things look like after development. The indications in the pic are intended, but that's not a discussion for this forum.

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    Re: FS: AMG 17-inch OZ Racing 3-pc wheels (Sydney, Australia)

    Quote Originally Posted by 7delta View Post
    Yes, you can do. It's not nearly as technical as other forms of non destructive examination (NDE) such as Ultrasonic Testing (UT). In the US the supplies can be found through suppliers such as MSC, MC MASTER- CARR, ZORO, and likely Amazon. Magnaflux is the brand I use at work on a daily basis. There are other brands.
    ........
    Hah - look here, the expertise wasn't far away! Thanks for posting.
    However, not any immediate response to see here, probably because such inspection methods are commonly unknown, unless you have seen it in use.

    Just to add an important point regarding the cracks we talk about here. The described preparation & visual inspection is fine as long as the crack has opened up so it's visible. Prior to that point it may not be visible, but with dye penetrant inspection it will be detected at an early point, before it's visible!

    I would never buy such type of wheels without an enclosed PT-report.
    Arnt
    '92 500E, 6.0 AMG, König SC, Black/black
    '94 E500 Limited, Sapphire black, 288 grey
    '92 500 TE, Silver/black (sold)

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