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    Original C126 love from 1985

    I grew up in Chicago and in the days before the Internet where you can quickly view any new car you want at any moment, it was the Chicago Auto Show that brought all the new cars to me for HD 3D viewing. My Dad would take me every year and the key was to get a brochure bag upon entry and then collect all the brochures from all the manufacturers present. Then l would spend hours later looking through all the brochures dreaming of owning my favorite cars.

    Gerry's project GVZ posts have stirred up something deep inside and I've been viewing galleries of C126 coupes and getting the car fever that hits me now and then. My Dad reminded me I've always had the fever and was able to scan and send me a photo of myself in my bedroom from 1985. In this photo I cut out brochure pictures of my favorite cars from that year's stash of brochures and pasted my favorites above my bedroom desk. I can spot several C126 models in the photo and of course, being the 80s, the Countach poster had to rule them all!

    How does a C126 feel compared to an E500?
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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    Well it is bigger, longer and heavier. It is an S class vehicle, and still the most comfortable seats I own, even after 26 years. Sure footed, powerful and classic. Then consider the differences between analog and digital, like 386sx pc connecting to CompuServe on a modem versus the mobile device on wifi. The E goes and goes with dual cams per bank versus single, and while the 5.6 stock is larger than the 5.0, the 5.6 is CIS-E manual fuel injection, with precisely measured throttle linkage and the E is throttle wire and automatic. The E goes and goes on the open road, with a 4 speed trans, and the 560 goes and cruises but has limits. The E never seems to hit a wall, effortlessly gaining speed from 90-120 and on and on. The 560 begins to exhibit limits unlike the E500.

    I miss the other when I drive one for 30-60 days, just so different.
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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    Great story and thanks for sharing the pic

    I too was on the internet back in 2015 drooling over pictures of 560sec's.... I'd owned a 1 owner black on black san diego car when I lived out there. 200k miles but solid as a rock and in perfect shape




    I had to sell it when I moved to Chicago in 2014.... sad day but vowed I would buy another one day.

    So after consistent surfing the web dreamily looking for a replacement now I was settled in Chicago and being sidetracked looking at widebody SEC pictures (the same 40 photos of widebodies I feel exist of the internet) I had a very vivid and real thought overcome me.... I had never seen a widebody in real life and sure as hell wouldn't be able to afford one. stock SEC's with low-ish miles were creeping up and hard to find honest well kept examples for a good price

    So fast forward a few months and through a random series of events I ended up finding and buying a 1988 560SEC widebody - I jumped on it an negotiated to buy it.





    The SEC is a BIG, luxury cruiser, not spritely in US spec and not quick off the line - although dropping it into 1st and flooring the pedal it will get up and GO. With the big, solid chassis the feeling of speed is a little deceptive compared to a lighter, smaller package... like the 500E. The SEC pulls hard on the freeway and sits on 80-90 with surety and a quiet ease. It is apparent it is from a different generation to the w124 yes - but both GREAT generations.

    My friend just bought a E500 '94 and they are very different beasts. The E500 more a drivers car, spritely and accurate. A solid, planted and surefooted feeling with great suspension, responsive feedback and very deliberate driving feel.

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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    I've made these SEC vs. E500E comparisons several times here on the forum, over the years. They are very different cars. If I was driving say from San Francisco to LA, I'd MUCH rather do the drive in an SEC than in a 500E.

    The SEC is a long-distance cruiser, a nice GT car, that just eats up the miles effortlessly and with plenty of driver comfort.

    The 500E is much sportier out of the box. It's better for a back-canyon drive or for carving the twisties, or for going fast. Certainly it works quite well also for long-distance cruising, but it's got a harder edge than the SEC does, both being in equal factory trim. You can "harden up" an SEC by lowering it and putting stiffer shocks on it, and swaybars and wheels/tires, but it will never be a sports car in the classic sense. The suspension design of the SEC is also not nearly up to the par/performance of that suspension on the E500E/W124. Much more advanced design.

    Both cars complement each other and are nice to own. Both cars are exceedingly easy to live with, reliable, and easy to maintain. Both work well as daily drivers, actually (I've daily driven both for years). Those of us who own both, and there are growing numbers of us here on this forum, enjoy them for differing reasons.

    For me personally, there's a reason that my E500 (purchased fall 2003) and my SEC (purchased fall 2002) are the longest-lived cars in my stable. I have no plans to ever get rid of either one. My focus now is running my SEC up to ~350K miles (I'm a bit over 240K now) so I can get that MB "500,000 km" grill badge.

    It's so cool to see that you were into German & European cars so much when you were so young, Ricardo. And, that you've never lost that passion. Thanks for sharing the personal anecdote with the forum. I wish people would do more of that !! That's what the "OWNER" threads are for....

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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    Gerry,

    Thanks for the feedback. I will see if I can dig up your other posts about E500 vs SEC. If I was still living in Chicago the SEC would be perfect for long weekend cruises on highway to see family. Here in Northern California and living in the mountains there is a bit less of that highway cruising for me, no family for me to visit on weekends, and my E500 is perfect for when in town with a bit of highway, and then when I hit the mountains nears my home its awesome. Still the 560SEC is a beautiful car that I still carry a torch for. And its probably an excellent lazy commute car. I've been driving my 1991 Porsche 911 Tiptronic this past week while waiting for a retaining nut clip to show up on my E500 and as a commute car its not so much fun (stiffer suspension, horrendous road noise comes in through the rear suspension (Porsche greatly improved this in 1995 with the next 993 model and a completely revamped rear suspension setup). However, get into the winding roads close to my house, drop the Tiptronic into manual mode and keep the RPMs between 4 to 6k, where the glorious engine noise overtakes any road noise, and suddenly its a ton a fun to be in a small 911 sports car. Great for a weekend blast but not for daily driving. I think overall a "lazy" commute in a 560SEC is probably more my style after getting brain fried after a tough day of work. (see I just justified buying a 560SEC!)

    One of the joys of E500 ownership has been this forum in that I know you guys have my back and it helps me to continue to extend my mechanic & diagnostic skills. I love learning new things (like that 7mm flexible nut driver that just arrived in the mail yesterday for large hose clamps). Thats what makes the idea of jumping into 560SEC ownership so appealing knowing I would have partners in crime to get everything properly sorted out.

    My son starts driving under a permit in 5 months which means I am starting to be on the look out for a vehicle for him. Used Subaru Impreza (not the WRX/STI) seems to be the default choice but every time I'm on Craigslist and Autotrader I can't help but veer off into Mercedes-land. This one, even in the oddball green color that I don't mind looks interesting: http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...ink=true&Log=0

    Another problem is I don't have the space for more cars. I'm on plenty of land, 2.5 acres, but its all friggen downhill mountain, anything that is flat is either house or driveway! I know my wife is thankful for this because if I had any more flat space I would figure out a way to put a pole barn on it and add to the fleet.
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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoD View Post
    ...Gerry's project GVZ posts have stirred up something deep inside and I've been viewing galleries of C126 coupes and getting the car fever that hits me now and then.
    Thanks for creating this thread Ricardo, I don't feel so bad now knowing that Gerry's project has had the same effect on someone else. I'm currently fighting a case of the 126 coupe disease myself.

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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    The good thing is that if you buy a good SEC, you can always sell it likely for more than what you paid for it. If you hang onto it for a few years, and improve it modestly, it will definitely bring more money.

    I know of a nice 1990 560SEC available in the Bay Area with 91K miles on it, in DB199 color (gray/blue metallic) with gray interior. Cherry car.

    Another one in SF area in 040 black over palomino interior, 1991 SEC, with 140K miles on it, top end and timing chain have been redone, and factory ASR car.

    Both California cars their entire lives !! Both in San Rafael this very moment!

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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    Here's a good thread, as a starting point. There are more posts I've made on the topic, as well...

    http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10918

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    Here in Northern California and living in the mountains there is a bit less of that highway cruising for me, no family for me to visit on weekends, and my E500 is perfect for when in town with a bit of highway, and then when I hit the mountains nears my home its awesome.
    Heck, I'd be burning up Skyline from La Honda down to Los Gatos early on weekend mornings if I still lived there (I lived in Menlo Park for several years back in the early/mid 1990s). And on the other side of San Jose, perhaps the road up to the Observatory could be some fun, or cruising up the Sunol Grade or out to points east and back......

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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    There's an 85 on BAT right now with 6 days to go, very low mileage & appears to be well kept...

    It's been waiting for you all these years...

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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    I would always recommend a Gen 2 126 (particularly late Gen 2, 1989-1991 model years) over the less refined and cruder Gen 1 models. That's my personal preference, YMMV.


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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    There's an 85 on BAT right now with 6 days to go, very low mileage & appears to be well kept...

    It's been waiting for you all these years...

    http://bringatrailer.com/listing/198...benz-500sec-3/
    Gorgeous car! This is the C126 design in its most original form, Gen 1 in euro-spec. Stylish colours, too. Some early cars have quite funky colours like green or brown. Looks very familiar to my car, and also original. However, there is some emissions related canister in the engine bay, and also the downpipes have been modified. Actually you can see the heatshield still in place where the original exhaust pipe was located.
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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    If anyone is thinking about a C126, you probably should pull the trigger now while they're still worthless. I've cut these cars up in little pieces and there are not many cars that built with the same level of quality as a 126. These low prices won't last forever.

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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    It's common and normal for emissions canisters (fuel vapor canister) to be located in the engine compartment on Gen 1 W126 models, of US spec.

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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    Quote Originally Posted by 600Eric View Post
    Thanks for creating this thread Ricardo, I don't feel so bad now knowing that Gerry's project has had the same effect on someone else. I'm currently fighting a case of the 126 coupe disease myself.
    So Eric,

    When are YOU, Matt and Jeff starting the C126-SEC renovation?
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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

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    So Eric,

    When are YOU, Matt and Jeff starting the C126-SEC renovation?
    Hahaha.... Ummm yeah I'm not taking on a another project anywhere near the level of the 500E restoration (at least any time soon). That endeavor took a lot of out of me in a lot of ways (time, work, stress and of course my checkbook). However even with that being the case I would be lying if I said I wouldn't so at least some "unnecessary" work on a 126 if I buy one. That just simply comes with the OCD so I just can't help myself but my intention for this car would for it to definitely be a driver so I cant get too carried away in that regard (at least hopefully...).


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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    Just had another flashback from my youth last night. I built this Tamiya model in high school around 85 or 86.

    This is is yet another sign I must own one of these.

    Loved Tamiya models. I see this kit is going for $60 on eBay. I also collect plastic model kits "to build in my retirement" I tell my wife.
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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    Go for it... Here's my -85 500 SEC.

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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    Wow, Heksi, gorgeous car. Thanks for sharing.
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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    Quote Originally Posted by 600Eric View Post
    Hahaha.... Ummm yeah I'm not taking on a another project anywhere near the level of the 500E restoration (at least any time soon). That endeavor took a lot of out of me in a lot of ways (time, work, stress and of course my checkbook). However even with that being the case I would be lying if I said I wouldn't so at least some "unnecessary" work on a 126 if I buy one. That just simply comes with the OCD so I just can't help myself but my intention for this car would for it to definitely be a driver so I cant get too carried away in that regard (at least hopefully...).

    Keep telling yourself that Eric,

    I can tell your thinking to hard already. It won't be long now.
    You've got to start somewhere. I know you like brilliant silver but Black w/ Palomino would be my choice for an SEC.

    Good Luck w/ the hunt; Haha

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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    Ricardo,

    One of the major reasons I pursue these cars are familiarity and access to information here to keep them on the road.

    The other is safety. I have five drivers in my house and I would much rather see them drive the MB mark verses a Subaru Impreza.
    Does it cost more? Yes, no doubt. However, they will, most likely, have a better chance of walking away from an accident instead of driving an econobox.

    So, for me, the W126/W124 makes sense. It is a disease, but it is well managed with the friendly advise and write ups on this board.
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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    nice pic ! lots of e30 and audi ur love w126 coupe - everything that has been said already, heavier, a little slower, feels a bit older than my 94 500e, it is a big care, safe no doubt, puts more smiles than impreza no doubt, unless its a wrx sti lol

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    The idea of putting my 15 1/2 year old in a beautiful 560SEC I don't think is the best idea. 14mpg is not where he needs to be at. He will end up beating it to death or taking a gorgeous car I sort out and abusing it in the high school parking lot. 560SEC is for me!! I am open to other older Mercedes for him but we are talking about a kid who is not into cars at all as far as I can tell. No interest despite this pretty amazing workshop garage I have put together. He is a video game kid and views cars as transportation appliance (perfect for a 200 mile range electric vehicle but those are too much money now). He thinks my E500 is a grandpa mobile. I told him wait until you start driving, and if he is used to driving some Japanese 4 cyclinder econobox, he will quickly learn to respect the E500 if I let him take it for a spin.
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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoD View Post
    The idea of putting my 15 1/2 year old in a beautiful 560SEC I don't think is the best idea. 14mpg is not where he needs to be at. He will end up beating it to death or taking a gorgeous car I sort out and abusing it in the high school parking lot. 560SEC is for me!! I am open to other older Mercedes for him but we are talking about a kid who is not into cars at all as far as I can tell. No interest despite this pretty amazing workshop garage I have put together. He is a video game kid and views cars as transportation appliance (perfect for a 200 mile range electric vehicle but those are too much money now). He thinks my E500 is a grandpa mobile. I told him wait until you start driving, and if he is used to driving some Japanese 4 cyclinder econobox, he will quickly learn to respect the E500 if I let him take it for a spin.
    I can tell you from experience that most kids under the age of 30 today aren't "into" vintage Mercedes cars, nor will they ever be. Cars like the SEC and 500E are, indeed, "grandpa-mobiles" to Millenials and younger kids. These kids want either a) no car at all; b) a video-game electric car like a Tesla; or c) a small efficient (likely Japanese) car that is reliable and a no-frills transportation-mobile.

    Exceptions do exist among the younger set, but it is a grave mistake for lovers of these beautiful, well-engineered "grandpa-cars" to try to transpose our appreciation and what we know to younger folks.


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    It just won't "take" with them, because they are interested in totally different things. Much of this is shaped by what "society" tells them is either "cool" (Scion, or Hyundai Veloster, or Nissan Juke/Cube type mobiles; Prius is not cool these days) or "politically correct" (Tesla or electric vehicles).

    While these "electric cars" are pretty cool, they don't in any way save the environment over "regular" cars....nobody stops to think how much coal was burned, and carbon was emitted, to both generate the electricity that charges the Tesla's batteries, and the carbon that was emitted to actually manufacture the vehicle (which is usually far more than a 'regular' vehicle). Meanwhile, you try to reason with the green/California/algore types about the fact that you drive a car that was manufactured 28 years ago, and environmentally bought and paid for back then, and whose upkeep and emissions cost the environment far less than the new cars they like to buy every two or three years, and you get a dumbfounded look as to "How can you be so stupid and/or politically incorrect?" It just goes to show how what "society" says is actually brainwashing people not to actually think and inquire and be inquisitive, and just to take what the "conventional wisdom" is and let it be forced down their throat.
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    It is an interesting phenomenon that many of us love the cars we grew up with (the "aspirational cars" that Ricardo has on his high-school boyhood bedroom wall) and now we acquire them since we have the time and means to do so. And this is certainly true for previous generations too, such as the Silent Generation and the Baby Boomers.

    The Gen X is now reaching its zenith of career stature, and rising income, starting to become empty nesters, and ability to enjoy life a little bit more than was possible before. So, we have started seeing cars like pre-merger AMGs, Acura NSX, Ferrari Testarossas, various Benzes and BMWs (especially 80s & 90s M-cars), and even Japanese cars like 240Z models start to really appreciate in value. Heck, 5-7 years ago you couldn't give a late-1980s Ferrari Testarossa away. People always complained how dated and 80s-looking they were. Now they are appreciating like crazy, and reaching new auction highs every year.

    So, in addition the SECs and other models being two-door models, there is also the Gen X dynamic that is also happening, which will keep supporting increased values of these cars. And as the Baby Boomers continue to retire and die off in the coming 20-30 years, we'll see interest in 1950s, 1960s and 1970s muscle cars continue to cool off and wane. A lot of Gen X people don't care about '57 Chevy's or even 1967 GTOs. Again, always exceptions.

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    Re: Original C126 love from 1985

    Gerry,

    You are exactly right, and that's what I love about my bedroom photo, it captures the dynamic in play. You can see the cars I dreamed of on the wall, and now as a 46 year old, after some career growth, some extra money in my pocket, I am able to turn those dreams into reality. This happens to every generation.

    The cycle ends as well as (e.g. the muscle cars cooling off). My old timer gear head neighbor is telling me about the brass era cars, that the collectors of those are passing on, and nobody wants the cars, only museums seem interested.

    I did meet a classmate of my son, he was 11 at the time, and he was a total gearhead in the making. His Dad asked me to come over and show my 1991 911 to him. He was amazed and listened to everything I told him about the car. Top Gear was his favorite show, and he knew a bit about the history of Porsche, and was grinning ear to ear when I gave him a ride. I wanted to adopt this kid. So the young gear heads are still out there but harder to find. Definitely not my two boys.

    We will see where I end up with my son. Despite my complaining, I am sure some of what I doing is rubbing off on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoD View Post
    We will see where I end up with my son. Despite my complaining, I am sure some of what I doing is rubbing off on them.
    There is no doubt that at least a little bit to SOME of what you are doing is rubbing off on your sons, and that is a very worthy and noble thing to foster with them.

    My own dad was not a huge car enthusiast, but he was the type of guy who could take apart and fix just about anything imaginable (including cars). He stopped at regular maintenance (oil changes, filters, perhaps tune-ups) because he prioritized other types of work around the house (yard work, building furniture, repairing appliances, and collecting all types of things) to working on cars. When I started getting interested in cars, he always helped me out in the garage, and I used his tools until he and my mom started me on the road to my own core set of tools, most all of which I still have to this day.

    My own interest in cars (and desire to maintain them) initially stemmed from helping my dad change oil and work on the family cars growing up. Until his Alzheimer's started taking over about 10 years ago, he was always proud and a bit intrigued about my love of MBs and enthusiasm for them. He didn't "get" Mercedes cars (thought they were very ostentatious and too showy for his taste) but he appreciated what I did with them, and seeing my cars when I would bring my kids and visit him.

    I loved seeing 600Eric's son last summer at Monterey/Legends so involved in cleaning his 500E (in his own way) and his enthusiasm for his dad's big project. Made me wish a bit that my own son (who just turned 18 at the end of May) had more interest in cars, but he's much like your sons, Ricardo...

    In any case, do whatever you can to keep your sons involved in your car hobby, because you never know how much will rub off on them later in life, or will stimulate their interest. It can't not pay off for them.

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    I think making our significant others a garage widow (in my case) has made for some bit of resentment over the car. As my kids (20 and 23) begin to see life outside the group think bubble of theoretical manure, (college) they certainly are now more appreciative. Wife grew up in the country club world, had a 450sl and got ridiculed as the rich kid of the school. Now I got her one, and all that has faded away and she enjoys the social aspect of the MB gtg and the trips around the vast area that is Texas. And like GVZ, many of Dad's tools are SAE but passed down over 3 generations, and he always fixed cars (we were poor and could not afford not to). So the transition was pretty smooth for me as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    [Rant]......[/Rant]
    Here we go again . Kidding aside, I do know a few kids in their early 20's that are turning into serious enthusiasts for the same era cars that I dig. One being the young fellow that does side work for me that you may have met when he bought the 300CD to centerville. He's turning into a real expert in improving these old cars, has a loyal customer base of local MB club members that he does work on and is making them into better daily drivers by modernizing their A/C to use R134a and work much better than the factory R12 and installing 722.6 conversion on W124's and W126.

    The other kid owns a 6.9 and a W123 among other cars of from the 70's and 80's. While I agree that we produce a smaller carbon footprint by running an older car than ordering a new one to be built. The differential between building a new gasoline engine car vs electric / hybrid car is unlikely to be much.

    From my perspective, the more people that buy electric vehicles, the more likely it will help keep fuel prices down for the likes of me and I'm all for it.

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    As I said, there are exceptions to every rule when it comes to kids and cars. I certainly know 20 years olds who are into 57 Chevies too. (Don't know anyone under 60 years old who is into brass-era cars, though.....)

    Quote Originally Posted by alabbasi View Post
    The differential between building a new gasoline engine car vs electric / hybrid car is unlikely to be much.
    Do the research on the amount of pollution and natural resources it takes to create, manufacture, and dispose of batteries for hybrids and electric cars. Not to mention the amount of electricity, water, and other natural resources that go into the manufacture of aluminum panels for these "hybrid" cars vs. steel panels. Aluminum is much more resource-intensive to manufacture than steel is.

    That's what I meant -- you have to look "full-lifecycle" (cradle to grave) for the manufacture of vehicles, including their disposal (electric-car batteries can be quite toxic to dispose of, just as CFL light bulbs contain toxic mercury), to really get a sense of how there is very little benefit to these "new" and "green" vehicles.

    The actual carbon emission savings during the operational lifespan of a hybrid car, vs. a gasoline car, is largely negated by the additional emissions and resources required to create and dispose of it. Often times it's more than negated, it's "more than." CO2 emissions are also created by the electrical power grid energy generation process during an electric vehicle's lifecycle.

    It's great to "feel good" and green. But it's also quite naiive, in the bigger picture. I'll drive my "gross polluter" 560SEC and will be happy with it. Joe Priusdriver can be smug in his belief that he gets 3x the MPG, and emits less CO2, but the reality [he is too naiive to know anything about] is that he is still polluting the environment more than I am with every mile he drives.

    P.S. Honda back in the early 1990s was getting 57 rated MPG with its Civic VX models with no hybrid mechanism - just a straight gas engine and efficient design. 57 MPG I believe is higher than the rated MPG for most models of the Prius today.

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    The idea of putting my 15 1/2 year old in a beautiful 560SEC I don't think is the best idea. 14mpg is not where he needs to be at. He will end up beating it to death or taking a gorgeous car I sort out and abusing it in the high school parking lot. 560SEC is for me!! I am open to other older Mercedes for him but we are talking about a kid who is not into cars at all as far as I can tell. No interest despite this pretty amazing workshop garage I have put together. He is a video game kid and views cars as transportation appliance (perfect for a 200 mile range electric vehicle but those are too much money now). He thinks my E500 is a grandpa mobile. I told him wait until you start driving, and if he is used to driving some Japanese 4 cyclinder econobox, he will quickly learn to respect the E500 if I let him take it for a spin.
    Getting slightly off topic, but since you mentioned it:

    For a new driver, I'd recommend a 1993-2002 E-class (W124 or W210), with ASR or ESP (optional on 124's!), and either a 6-cyl gas engine or a diesel. This puts them in something relatively safe, without too much power, medium size, decent fuel economy (excellent if it's a diesel), and ASR/ESP to help bail them out when they run short of driving talent on slippery surfaces. And, you can get something like this for $2k-$5k, depending how nice you want it to be.

    If they complain about it being a grandpa-mobile, my response would be "if you don't like it, you can get a job and buy whatever you want with your own money, and pay for your own insurance too. Don't forget gas money." I'm guessing this won't apply in San Jose, but if the new driver will ever be on snow or ice (either living in the snow belt, or driving up to Tahoe for a ski trip)... get a W210 4Matic, with a set of studless snows for the winter.

    In any case, I'd avoid Japanese econoboxes unless they have a very, very good safety/crash rating. Even if your kid is smart enough to not use their phone (or text!) while driving, you never know when some other dimwit is going to blow through a redlight and T-bone them at 40mph in a truck or SUV. Click here for some photos of an extreme example, but you get the idea... make sure to read post #4 also.


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    Do the research on the amount of pollution ....
    Not disagreeing here , but more and more regular cars are getting built from aluminum like the new ford pickups, audi etc so the lines are getting blurry and yes in 1989 the Citroen AX diesel was getting 70mpg at 70mph. From a personal economic perspective, I still think it serves to my benefit that more and more cars become fuel efficient for the simple reason that it keeps fuel prices low which is good for people who drive cars like mine.

    It's better than the other way like in 2007 when my credit card authorization would max out at the pump before the fuel tank in my 560 was filled.

    Going forward, we're going to see more electric vehicles and likely semi trucks as the torque characteristics of electric motors is even more impressive than diesel.
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    I agree that ANY W124 or W210 is preferable to an econobox for new/old drivers.

    My 22 year old girl drives an 06' Camry because she lives so far away and is a disaster on wheels.
    She needed something that is easily repairable.
    She has learned to take care of her car now that she pays the bills though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trae View Post
    My older son bought a 94' E420 and an SL55 with airmatic suspension that has been very problematical.
    Odd, I've had my SL55 for 3 years now and have had zero suspension problems (it's actually not airmatic but ABC which is hydraulic). My only issue is a couple of blown tires and supercharger pulley grenading.

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    Pulled mine out of storage and drove it home so that I can get the inspection renewed before I stick it back in storage for another year. Even though it's suffering from a serious case of death wobbles, this car is a blast to drive and still seriously fast at speeds over 70mph.


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    My mistake alabbasi, don't know anything about the R230 suspension except what I hear and read about the ABC system.
    I am glad that you have had a good experience with it.
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