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    FS: Original Mold M119 aluminum oiler tubes - future collector item

    For sale is a set of M119 aluminum oilers tubes, from what I believe were made by the first molds.

    If you look at the shape of the tube, it is "blockier" than the later aluminum oiler tubes.

    The part number is the same as the later ones:
    Part No: 119 187 00 87

    The second picture compares the oilers from two different molds.
    The oiler on the right is the "blockier" one.

    I don't see an advantage or disadvantage.
    I personally would not install these, rather, I would keep these as a collector item.

    $215 shipped to CONUS
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    Re: FS: Original Mold M119 aluminum oiler tubes - future collector item

    I would be very hesitant to install these on a 500E. The interior oil passages of these tubes from the "first molds" move the oil at strict right angles, which reduces the oil flow speed, and thus efficiency, and ultimately their ability to oil the cams effectively under high-performance conditions. They are probably OK for a 400E/E420, or a W140 with M119 engine, however.

    It's probable that these used better quality aluminum, too, that was created in the late 1980s up to the 1990-1991 era when MB "cost no object" engineering still ruled the company's decisions. 1992 was the year when things started changing, and materials started getting cheaper (think of the rubber used in the mirror boots from 1992-onward cars vs. 1986-1991 mirror boots).

    It would be good to create a glass display showing the various tubes used in the M119 with the generations of molds, including the plastic tubes as well as the aftermarket tubes. It would be a nice display for the 500E aficionado's shop wall.

    Stevester, I think $215 for this set is too low -- $300-350 is more the price, given their extreme rarity.

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    Re: FS: Original Mold M119 aluminum oiler tubes - future collector item

    If they don't sell, I will probably take your advise and create a display, great idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
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    It would be good to create a glass display showing the various tubes used in the M119 with the generations of molds, including the plastic tubes as well as the aftermarket tubes. It would be a nice display for the 500E aficionado's shop wall.

    Stevester, I think $215 for this set is too low -- $300-350 is more the price, given their extreme rarity.

    Cheers,
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    Re: FS: Original Mold M119 aluminum oiler tubes - future collector item

    Then again, if I had the best 500E in the world, I mean, like, one with the original Porsche factory paint runs in the rear of the body, these would probably be the perfect complement if it did not already have them...
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    Re: FS: Original Mold M119 aluminum oiler tubes - future collector item

    I'm hoping that GSXR can tell us the switchover point (chassis number) as to when MB changed over from the "First Generation Mold" cam oiler tubes to the "Second Generation Mold" rounded tubes. Probably some time in late 1991, but I'm not sure.

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    Re: FS: Original Mold M119 aluminum oiler tubes - future collector item

    You are probably pretty close, but my bet would be mid 1991.
    And my "educated" guess would be that they were never originally installed in a .036.
    But someone with a 1991 .036 could prove me wrong.
    All it would take is to take a peek thru the passenger side valve cover of a 1991 .036.

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    I'm hoping that GSXR can tell us the switchover point (chassis number) as to when MB changed over from the "First Generation Mold" cam oiler tubes to the "Second Generation Mold" rounded tubes. Probably some time in late 1991, but I'm not sure.
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    Re: FS: Original Mold M119 aluminum oiler tubes - future collector item

    Never seen these before. Maybe they were from the 119.960!


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    I am not too sure about this. I can take your word, and/or slice one in half.
    Of course I would slice a plastic one and a later mold aluminum one too.
    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    ... "first molds" move the oil at strict right angles...

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    Re: FS: Original Mold M119 aluminum oiler tubes - future collector item

    It is very possible that only a very limited number of these sets were created and installed on cars (I'm thinking less than 25 sets), which would make them exceedingly rare, and probably worthy of $1,000+ per set if that were the case.

    Sort of a parallel with the famous "inverted Jenny" airmail stamps from 1918, which are exceedingly rare and valuable today.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_Jenny

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    Re: FS: Original Mold M119 aluminum oiler tubes - future collector item

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevester 500E View Post
    I am not too sure about this. I can take your word, and/or slice one in half.
    Of course I would slice a plastic one and a later mold aluminum one too.
    I wouldn't break up the set. A full sheet of inverted Jennys is worth a lot more than a single...


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    Re: FS: Original Mold M119 aluminum oiler tubes - future collector item

    My guess is that the oil passage ways are at the same angles as the later tubes.
    I would venture to guess that the only difference was the shape on the outside, reducing the amount of aluminum by a fraction, whilst enabling easier mold release.

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    Re: FS: Original Mold M119 aluminum oiler tubes - future collector item

    Perhaps an oil or liquid pressure & volume test is in order for the Gen 1 metal, Gen 2 metal, plastic and aftermarket tubes.

    The plastic tubes are the most rounded, and plastic has less surface friction than metal, so it's a fairly safe assumption that the plastic tubes probably flow the oil most efficiently. Perhaps that is why MB went to that design/material.




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    Re: FS: Original Mold M119 aluminum oiler tubes - future collector item

    Pics or it's pure speculation.
    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    I would be very hesitant to install these on a 500E. The interior oil passages of these tubes from the "first molds" move the oil at strict right angles, .....

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    Re: FS: Original Mold M119 aluminum oiler tubes - future collector item

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevester 500E View Post
    Pics or it's pure speculation.
    Weren't you cutting each model/generation for the display you said you would make for a 500E owner's garage?

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    Re: FS: Original Mold M119 aluminum oiler tubes - future collector item

    trading-places1.jpg I was thinking Frozen Orange Juice
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    Re: FS: Original Mold M119 aluminum oiler tubes - future collector item

    This set of one-off tubes hasn't sold yet?


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