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    FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    SOMEONE better jump fast on it

    VIN = WDBEA36EXRB990534

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    RARE E500, 1 FL OWNER, 108K ACTUAL MILES, CLEAN HISTORY, ALL MAINTENANCE RECORDS

    It's time to buy a sports car disguised as a premium German sedan. This 1994 Mercedes-Benz E500 might carry a tri-star badge, but it has a Porsche legacy. This special history has been taken care of exceptionally well, right down to the 332 hp 5.0-liter V8 under the hood.


    If you know the history of the E500, then seeing one this well taken care of should get you excited. After all this was a special project that ferried these sedans in-between Mercedes and Porsche in Stuttgart. Mercedes sent E-Class bodies over to Porsche where they added subtle flared fenders, modified the suspension, and strengthened the chassis to accept V8 power. And beyond this cool collaboration, this E500 is desirable for being a well-executed precision machine. Big German sedans always look best in precious metal colors, so the factory Smoke Silver Metallic two-tone paint is a true gem. Of course, that's also because Mercedes has always been one of the best at applying multi-stage paints that keep their luster for decades. With an original sticker price over $80K, this car was built to last. That's why the panels retain their precision gaps, and the doors shut with that authoritative Mercedes 'THUNK'. Without question, this car makes a statement and it's impossible to not be impressed with the amount of quality that you get for this value price.

    (snipped useless boilerplate history ... only about 1,500 examples were sent to the U.S. It's this kind of rarity that has kept this one-owner car under correct care all its life. The sale even comes with all the right paperwork, including the original window sticker, owner's manual, title documentation, and maintenance records. So you already know what kind of valuable classic this is, and if you hurry, a very exotic Mercedes can be yours for a very common price.

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    Re: F.s. 1994 E500 smoke silver/parchament 108k $14k Lutz Florida

    Wow!!! Anyone sitting on the sideline waiting for a good deal this is the best one I have seen in a LONG time. Assuming there are no stories this is an absolute steal.


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    Re: F.s. 1994 E500 smoke silver/parchament 108k $14k Lutz Florida

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Looks pretty nice, except for the dent in the left rear fender flare. I expect this will re-appear in a month or three at twice the price and still "ONE OWNER!".


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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    The never titled dealer purchase.....
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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Yeah E, that's definitely a "shoot first, ask questions later" purchase.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)


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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    There we go back at $13900 jump on it who has been waiting
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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Boot looks split.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Looks pretty nice, except for the dent in the left rear fender flare. I expect this will re-appear in a month or three at twice the price and still "ONE OWNER!".


    100% agree Dave. I just hope an enthusiast here on the board gets it first but if they don't act fast a dealer unquestionably will at that price as with the current market this is a no brainer. The seller (Streetside Classics) appears to just be some consignment outfit and they have no idea what they have (and obviously didn't do any research whatsoever). I bet some family / estate just brought it to them and said something along the lines of, "Just get us $10K for it...". Anyways Marcus is spot on with his post #6 below as deals like this are few and far between. In fact if that was a 744 car I myself would have definitely clicked the "buy it now" last night and made it my 500E driver. Their website shows they are closed today and tomorrow but I cant imagine this thing will still be available by lunch time on Tuesday.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post
    Boot looks split.
    Yup. It will still need the usual ±$5k in deferred maintenance. The BJ boot is the tip of the iceberg. Not that I think anyone would care, at this price, assuming the CarFax checks out clean and there's no hidden damage or other surprises.


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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    It's a very, very early US model year 1994 car, and the 1,134th car (out of 1,528) to be brought into the US. No prior record of this car in my private database.

    Count on $5K immediate deferred maintenance (the BJ/LCA replacement will be pushing $1,500 of this with parts and labor), with probably another $5K as the car gets sorted out. Motor mounts are another lump of the initial $5K maintenance cost (likely they've never been done). Hopefully wiring harnesses have been done.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    It's a very, very early US model year 1994 car. No prior record of this car in my private database.
    Sequentially, this chassis is the 4th (of 393 total) imported to USA. Approximate build date is May 1993, a photo of the decal in the driver door jamb would confirm this.

    Interestingly, the engine serial on this car is only 1 off from my silver E500, which is chassis #34 of USA imports.


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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Sequentially, this chassis is the 4th (of 393 total) imported to USA. Approximate build date is May 1993, a photo of the decal in the driver door jamb would confirm this.

    Interestingly, the engine serial on this car is only 1 off from my silver E500, which is chassis #34 of USA imports.

    I know the DataMB site says May of 1993. I have documented cars (with photos of door jamb) with VINs very very close to this car's of July 1993, albeit these VINs are a bit AFTER this car's.

    The cars I have with documented door plates with May 1993 are showing 985055, 984068, 980318, 979477, 978127, with 975056 being my last documented car with an April, 1993 date.

    However, interestingly, DataMB says that the following car, WDBEA36E7RB990796, has a build date of May, 1993. The door sticker says differently, as attached. This is the NEXT car in my personal database, that I have detailed information on, that comes AFTER this car.

    Dave, don't always trust what DataMB says as gospel -- it's better to go with definitive proof, such as a door sticker.

    There are ZERO 500Es in between this car that is for sale, and #990796 -- they are sequential in production order.

    I guess that MB took a complete hiatus from E500 production during the month of June, 1993.
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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    As another reference point... my silver E500 is C0036xx and per the VMI was built on July 9, 1993. (Need to double-check the exact date but it was early July, and the door jamb decal shows 07/93).

    B990796 is #5 sequentially for 1994 USA model year, btw.

    DataMB does mention the dates are estimated, btw. It's possible that all facelift production occurred as of July 1, 1993. (??)


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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Your car would have been produced approximately 78 E500s AFTER this car that is for sale.

    Perhaps someone can have the seller verify what the sticker on the door jamb says for this car.

    It just seems odd to me that the very car after this one for sale, has a July sticker. I'd say it's fairly likely (but not for sure) that this car for sale, would also have been made in July.

    I could be wrong, but the numbers on the verified 05/93 cars (per door stickers) are quite a bit earlier than this car is in the production order before this car (985XXX, 984XXX, 980XXX, yadda). While the very next E500 after this one is only about 260 cars later in the overall W124 production order.

    Again...trust, but verify.


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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    I agree, it's quite likely to have been built in early July. Regardless, it's still one of the very earliest facelift 036's produced.

    Also, my original post mentioning dates did say the approximate build date was in May, based on the DataMB site; which also uses the term "approximate" with their build dates. Only a VMI is going to show the actual day of production.


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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    I agree, it's quite likely to have been built in early July. Regardless, it's still one of the very earliest facelift 036's produced.

    Also, my original post mentioning dates did say the approximate build date was in May, based on the DataMB site; which also uses the term "approximate" with their build dates. Only a VMI is going to show the actual day of production.

    No, I think your original estimation, and DataMB, are very likely correct, and this car for sale was probably made in May. My accuracy track record on these things is not so good.

    I guess the real question is whether we can find car(s) that DataMB says were made in June. Guess I need to plug in some VINs to see what "approximate" dates pop out.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    I would of clicked the Buy It Now, but I just can't do Smoke Silver. Any color but that.
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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Looks like the "one owner" had an affinity for side swiping curbs. I think there's a scuff on the drivers side rear bumper to match up with that fender dent. Some sort of sticker was on the front bumper near the driver's headlight, square spot showing in different angles, so I know it isn't the lighting. I'll guess a GPS or radar detector was mounted on the dash, and not really a fan of the stick on wide angle mirror on the driver's side.
    Not that it's badly priced, but it may not be a steal once it is seen in person.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post
    I would of clicked the Buy It Now, but I just can't do Smoke Silver. Any color but that.
    Tsk Tsk, shame on you smoke silver haters. If the paint is shiny and in good shape, it looks great. But unfortunately it doesn't photograph well and often looks like a flat beige, especially on camera phone pics.

    Here are a couple of pics of my car (taken with a polarizer filter on my camera to reduce glare).

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Looks like a Florida car almost from the very beginning. No surprises. This looks like an honest, southern car in a good color, relatively low miles, for a great deal.

    I can't believe this car isn't gone yet. This is a flipper's (or aspiring E500E owner's) dream.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    If i was in market i would not care about color but it does remind me of Buick colors
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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Car sold. Dealer expecting wire transfer today. Said he must have priced it right. Dealer said there was about 15 people ahead of me.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    I'm surprised it took 48 hours, lol. Anyone on this forum the lucky new owner?


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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

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    Car sold. Dealer expecting wire transfer today. Said he must have priced it right. Dealer said there was about 15 people ahead of me.
    Yeah no surprise at all there. Again given the current market that was unquestionably a steal at that price. If someone puts $5- $10K into that car addressing all the deferred maintenance and the few minor cosmetic issues it appears to have they will have an extremely nice example in their possession. I just hope a fellow enthusiast here got it and we don't see it pop up on a dealer's website in a month or two for $30 - $35K.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by 600Eric View Post
    Yeah no surprise at all there. Again given the current market that was unquestionably a steal at that price. If someone puts $5- $10K into that car addressing all the deferred maintenance and the few minor cosmetic issues it appears to have they will have an extremely nice example in their possession. I just hope a fellow enthusiast here got it and we don't see it pop up on a dealer's website in a month or two for $30 - $35K.
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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Really, really REALLY kicking myself for not buying this. I saw it in my leisurely browsing and had a question into the seller, but it sold first. Is it just me, or is the market cooling off a bit for these? Going absolutely stratospheric on the E30 BMWs, which is a bubble waiting to burst IMO.

    I've been busy rehabbing a 97 s600 V12 coupe from CA for the past few months, so haven't really been thinking about looking until recently. Kicking myself Actually had my fiancee kick me in the ass when I told her I should do it myself.

    Anyway, who wants to help me find one with a clear title, correct wheels/headlights, all original basically, and hopefully no accidents? No paintwork at all would be preferred, but I'm trying to be realistic. Having owned 2 m119s and now an m120, I've come to realize mileage doesn't really matter as long as they've been maintained. As long as it's under 175k I'd sleep soundly.

    Mid to high teens is the target. Am I on a fishing expedition?

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    You're going to be at $20K and up these days, to get a decent car that's not going to be too horrible on mileage, and less than $10K of deferred maintenance. It's just the way the market is these days.

    Unicorns like this car do pop up once or twice a year, where a car is somehow discounted by $5-10K over what it SHOULD be priced at, but it's rare when deals like this pop up.

    As has been said, there's no doubt in my mind that this car is going to pop up in the future with $15K added to the price, probably by some flipper/dealer somewhere.

    You have to be ready to leap when you see the right car -- money in your bank account, go with your gut to leap on the car. Patience is in order to find the right car -- it can take a year of hard searching and kissing a lot of frogs to find the right one. If you want a unicorn deal, it's going to be 2-3 years especially if you want a particular color.

    I don't see prices cooling off. I see them going up steadily, particularly for the better cars. Every year the market gets a bit wiser to these cars, and demand incrementally goes up. It's a very very different scene than it was 5 or 10 years ago. In 5 or 10 more years, we're going to see "average" $20-22K cars today going for $30 and $35K. Remember these "average" cars were being bought for $15-17K just a few years ago.

    I agree there's a massive bubble in the market, particularly for young-timers and markedly so in the BMW market, a bit less in the MB market with some exceptions, such as the 2.3-16V which has appreciated healthily in recent years.

    The bubble will pop at some point, but I don't think it's going to pop in the near term. I think things will continue to climb. The E500E has been benefiting from this trend ("the rising tide that floats all boats") like a lot of cars have -- both worthy and unworthy cars.

    Bottom line is that I think both the E500E and the late 560SEC are the most under-appreciated MB young-timer collectibles out there right now, if you are making a 20 or 25-year bet on "keeping" a car that will appreciate nicely (but perhaps not make you rich). Second choice would be the W124 cabriolet and coupes as a long-term bet.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by will_w202 View Post
    Anyway, who wants to help me find one with a clear title, correct wheels/headlights, all original basically, and hopefully no accidents? No paintwork at all would be preferred, but I'm trying to be realistic. Having owned 2 m119s and now an m120, I've come to realize mileage doesn't really matter as long as they've been maintained. As long as it's under 175k I'd sleep soundly.

    Mid to high teens is the target. Am I on a fishing expedition?
    Gerry pretty much nailed it with his previous post. You can probably get close to what you want, at close to your price range, if you check the forum daily for fresh listings and jump when something under market value pops up (like this one). The pickier you are about colors, condition, price, etc the longer it will take... and there's a risk of increasing prices slowly pushing the right car further out of reach.

    Whatever you get, there will almost always be ±$5k of something that it needs, either mechanical or cosmetic. True need-nothing cars are almost non-existent (anyone who thinks they have one, Klink or Jono could find something, lol) and those will generally be priced 2x-3x the average bear, or more. The no-mile silver car that sold recently for six figures is the closest I've seen.

    There were several comments about the smoke silver color hurting this Florida E500 value and/or slightly delaying the sale, so I'm curious how that will affect the upcoming sale of our smoke silver 1992 500E. Seems to be a "love it or hate it" color for a lot of people!


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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    There were several comments about the smoke silver color hurting this Florida E500 value and/or slightly delaying the sale, so I'm curious how that will affect the upcoming sale of our smoke silver 1992 500E. Seems to be a "love it or hate it" color for a lot of people!
    I think the color might have affected this particular car more than other smoke silver cars because of the pictures. The lighting they used makes it look like the car has jaundice. In the real world, this color looks much more like, well, smokey silver, than sickly yellow.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Thanks for the replies and info guys. GSXR, I think I remember you from either the old Shop forum (peachparts) or Benzworld in my original MB days..

    I paid $2500 for a no-rust, 2 owner CA s600c with 176k and 14 pages of VMI entries (and regular MB dealer service for 17 of the last 20 years). I knew it would need a few things, and including non-mechanical stuff like refinishing wheels, new tires, and repairing seatbelts, I'm in it for around $7k. So, I'm understanding of catching up deferred maintenance.

    I am also not picky to color. I think oddball colors just mean they are more scarce. Traditionally, silver on black, or pearl gray on black would have been my top 2 choices.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by will_w202 View Post
    Thanks for the replies and info guys. GSXR, I think I remember you from either the old Shop forum (peachparts) or Benzworld in my original MB days..

    I paid $2500 for a no-rust, 2 owner CA s600c with 176k and 14 pages of VMI entries (and regular MB dealer service for 17 of the last 20 years). I knew it would need a few things, and including non-mechanical stuff like refinishing wheels, new tires, and repairing seatbelts, I'm in it for around $7k. So, I'm understanding of catching up deferred maintenance.

    I am also not picky to color. I think oddball colors just mean they are more scarce. Traditionally, silver on black, or pearl gray on black would have been my top 2 choices.
    Yeah, but please keep in mind the E500E is not a 140 (coupe or sedan), a 126 (coupe or sedan), or even a 129 or 124 cabriolet. I don't think any of those cars do or will hold the appeal of this Porsche collabo. That's right, I said it. They may all be great cars, and may even appreciate a bit. But none of them will do anything like what we're seeing E500E's do in the marketplace.

    I expect the E500E market will be closer to what you're seeing in the BMW E30M3 and Porsche air cooled Turbo markets than it will to any other MB car market. And I think it's because of Porsche's involvement. Think of it like an AMG Hammer -- rare, special and different than "regular" old Benzes. Not that the regular old Benzes are shitty. They might even fairly be considered "collectible" (the bubble will tell). But they're not these. When the bubble bursts, I expect other cars to decrease or level off in value, while these keep rising.

    So yes, jump quickly. And if you have to sell your S600C to do so, consider it an upgrade. Happy hunting.

    Aside from that, I agree with everything that's been said in posts #30 and #31.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Believe it or not, the S600C will also be collectible, because a) it's a coupe; b) it's an S-Class; and c) it's the mack-daddy (12-cylinder) S-class. It is and will become more attractive to a small segment of the market.

    For comparison, look at the difference in price between the 280SE 3.5 (M116) and the "pedestrian" 280SE/250SE models in the W111. There's a huge gap between the top of the line and the regular models - whether coupe or cabrio.

    So, acquire the best E500E you can, but keep that coupe. Sounds like you got a decently maintained one, which is the way to go with these. Otherwise, they can and will bankrupt you. A "bad" W140 V-12 is the next closest thing I know of to a W100 Grand 600 in terms of maintenance cost, although the W100 is still a couple of orders of magnitude more expensive.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    Believe it or not, the S600C will also be collectible, because a) it's a coupe; b) it's an S-Class; and c) it's the mack-daddy (12-cylinder) S-class. It is and will become more attractive to a small segment of the market.

    For comparison, look at the difference in price between the 280SE 3.5 (M116) and the "pedestrian" 280SE/250SE models in the W111. There's a huge gap between the top of the line and the regular models - whether coupe or cabrio.

    So, acquire the best E500E you can, but keep that coupe. Sounds like you got a decently maintained one, which is the way to go with these. Otherwise, they can and will bankrupt you. A "bad" W140 V-12 is the next closest thing I know of to a W100 Grand 600 in terms of maintenance cost, although the W100 is still a couple of orders of magnitude more expensive.

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    I don't plan to sell the s coupe. This is one of my keep-it-til-the-rest-home-bill-comes-due cars. There's nothing but upside to the most powerful (389hp), most expensive ($133,300), highest-optioned, limited production (342 sold in the US in 97) for $2500 purchased/what I expect to be $10-12,000 invested to get it perfect when all is said and done. It's like a funnycar WOT from 50-130, seriously. Like a locomotive. I've wanted one for 20 years. I even bought my first Valentine 1 in 10 years thinking I'd need it. But....

    Despite the power and the passing/rocket booster insanity at speed, the car is just oh-so smooth, supple and serene. If I've wanted an S600C for 20 years, I've wanted a 500E for 25, and also because I want a true bruiser in my stable.

    Frankly, all the issues with the V12s are overblown, at least post-95. The motor is the least of my headaches on this car. Pillar-less coupe seatbelts, synching windows, matching colors for worn leather.......10x more PITA than anything so far on the motor. These were maligned for no reason; at least after 95.

    So, anyway, no fear on my part of a 500e with a clear title, dry climate living, and consistent service history. But we're getting off-topic..

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    To Gerry, Tried to edit this, guess I can't. Point I should have continued to make is no need for the radar detector in the s600 because it just makes you want to drive it like a limo in most cases from the smoothness and suppleness. And yes, like the S,and the 500e, the other car I would consider from this era is a 300CE/E320. The coupes ad convertibles, especially the more-rare versions (low miles/original Cabs, V12s that are actually running and have no rust, COUPES...) are the ones that are worth something after 40 years. The sedans are almost never worth anything - in that regard, the 500E will probably be the only 2nd half of 20th century MB sedan worth a mint

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Maw "Yeah, but please keep in mind the E500E is not a 140 (coupe or sedan), a 126 (coupe or sedan), or even a 129 or 124 cabriolet. I don't think any of those cars do or will hold the appeal of this Porsche collabo. That's right, I said it."

    Spot on! You really nailed it. As I see it, if anything goes, the 500E will be the"last car standing" The E60 W210 I have considered, the R129 SL60 also.
    No in the end, it will be me and the 500E and it will be E60 territory or better but not with documents.
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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    I'd be all over the AMG variants of the 140 and 129 cars if they were available in the US. Several people here know how closely I've looked at the question of bringing an M120 car closer to its AMG brethren with the available AMG suspension, exhaust and transmission upgrades, etc. No small feat, but something I may yet do. I really don't need the extra power (I have an AMG SClass for that). But one of those older "money no object" designed Benzes that turn and stop a little better holds great appeal for me.

    But these... but these... but these... They go, turn and stop right out of the gate, no real modifications necessary. I mean, they go like a Benz and handle like a Porsche, plus they have an extraordinary story, and rarity to boot. Not just a great story, an extraordinary, significant one.

    I just don't think they can fairly be considered alongside the other 124/129/140 cars. They are, literally, all those cars rolled into one (when you look at the parts overlap).

    And I'm guessing that's not just me.

    It would be like considering the Audi RS2 alongside other 90s era Audis. Who does that?!?!

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    I to that, parts overlap, and availability, old as they are, the M119 era I like referring to, yeah also the M120, both with racing heritage
    and ability so enginered, really no comparison, yes I AM biased. Must be said, there are a lot I could Think of to complement the
    500E or 036 but no one to take it's Place. The 500E I say, has the best of all Worlds MB vice i.e. a compromise without feeling compromised.

    Comfort, ride qualitys, sporty, relaxed, from tickover to full speed ahead, what more can I say, given what I have and can compare with.
    Should I say more? Just look at it, timeless and.....well I better stop there, you can fill in the gaps if I missed anything..........
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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by will_w202 View Post
    Despite the power and the passing/rocket booster insanity at speed, the car is just oh-so smooth, supple and serene. If I've wanted an S600C for 20 years, I've wanted a 500E for 25, and also because I want a true bruiser in my stable.
    Please be very, very careful with language like this, when talking about the W140. It causes the front of Klink's pants to start tenting outward, and smooth, flowery accolades about the W140 chassis to start streaming from his keyboard....a very dangerous condition, indeed.



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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by will_w202 View Post
    the 500E will probably be the only 2nd half of 20th century MB sedan worth a mint
    The 300SEL 6.3, 450SEL 6.9 and 190E 2.3-16 I think will also be pretty good. The 6.3 is already getting far up there (mid-100K range) for excellent examples. The 2.3-16 is following (but behind) the E30 M3 BMW, but simply because the E30 is getting unobtainable for some folks (and it's a coupe, not a sedan, so not quite a fair comparo).

    And the W100. I'm seeing those hit in the 300-500K range quite easily. 15 years ago, $80-100K was tops for these.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Jack Baruth had an interesting point in an article about why the 911 996 will never be collectible. In addition to things like production numbers, he also mentioned the change that the "Electric Singularity" will bring:

    I’d also be remiss if I didn’t mention that fact that the Electric Singularity is probably going to arrive within the next 30 years or so, at which point owning a gasoline-powered car will become a difficult and expensive pastime for a relatively small number of high-net-worth people. Overnight, the collector market will collapse to a blue-chips-only situation. The Red Barchetta that your uncle puts in his country place will be a ‘77 Turbo Carrera or a ‘13 997.2 GT3. It won’t be a fried-egg car.

    http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...e-collectible/

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    Please be very, very careful with language like this, when talking about the W140. It causes the front of Klink's pants to start tenting outward, and smooth, flowery accolades about the W140 chassis to start streaming from his keyboard....a very dangerous condition, indeed.



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    Looking forward to catching up on this thread when I get a chance. Looks like another good conversation.
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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by Klink View Post
    928, E5E, 140, what can I say? I've got a fetish for fat Germans...
    ...including those that are draggin' a wagon out back...



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    Nice Wheels.
    Quote Originally Posted by Melville View Post
    Tsk Tsk, shame on you smoke silver haters. If the paint is shiny and in good shape, it looks great. But unfortunately it doesn't photograph well and often looks like a flat beige, especially on camera phone pics.

    Here are a couple of pics of my car (taken with a polarizer filter on my camera to reduce glare).

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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Quote Originally Posted by Klink View Post
    Looking forward to catching up on this thread when I get a chance. Looks like another good conversation.
    928, E5E, 140, what can I say? I've got a fetish for fat Germans...
    Nice avatar. No need to "stay thirsty," friend, here is some fat German porn for you. Just look at that prominent Ass of Helga


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    Re: FS: 1994 E500, Smoke Silver/Parchment, 109kmi, $14kmi (Lutz, FL)

    Yeah, they come in Green/Blue aswell, Designo i.e. and without capsnrotors, Go Your Own Way, encapsuled so to say...
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