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    List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    This is courtesy of our member "esodnehoh" in Germany. It comes from official MB data per the EPC.

    The total seems to be 45 cars with both option codes originally in the data card. I would expect these to be confirmed by same codes in the VIN cards and stickers under the rear deck.

    WDB1240361C131823
    WDB1240361C132346
    WDB1240361C133101
    WDB1240361C133844
    WDB1240361C136478
    WDB1240361C138116
    WDB1240361C144263
    WDB1240361C144815
    WDB1240361C150601
    WDB1240361C156658
    WDB1240361C160356
    WDB1240361C160617
    WDB1240361C162390
    WDB1240361C162674
    WDB1240361C167396
    WDB1240361C167589
    WDB1240361C168392
    WDB1240361C168952
    WDB1240361C169787
    WDB1240361C170333
    WDB1240361C176354
    WDB1240361C176359
    WDB1240361C177228
    WDB1240361C177598
    WDB1240361C177608
    WDB1240361C178567
    WDB1240361C183327
    WDB1240361C183482
    WDB1240361C183488
    WDB1240361C184306
    WDB1240361C185952
    WDB1240361C188669
    WDB1240361C188909
    WDB1240361C197661
    WDB1240361C197810
    WDB1240361C200075
    WDB1240361C202094
    WDB1240361C202605
    WDB1240361C203149
    WDB1240361C203598
    WDB1240361C204258
    WDB1240361C204818
    WDB1240361C206302
    WDB1240361C210227
    WDB1240361C213356

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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    Just checked and my car does not match any of those vins
    1993 500E
    1994 E320 cabriolet

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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    Great list. I thank you for that.

    Indeed all show 957 and 958.

    But what i find strange, 16 VIN show model E 60 AMG. The rest shows E 500.
    I used www.datamb.com.
    This VIN decoder does it too. http://carinfo.kiev.ua/cars/vin/mercedes/vin_check

    This however does not. http://mercedes-catalog.by/vin/

    And some things i came across.

    WDB1240361C197810.jpg
    WDB1240361C202605.jpg

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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    DataMB has been proven NOT to be as accurate as direct EPC VIN data. There are discrepancies with DataMB, although it is generally pretty good and accurate.

    However, the closest thing to the Holy Grail / Bible on MB data is ONLY and ONLY and ONLY the EPC.

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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    However, the closest thing to the Holy Grail / Bible on MB data is ONLY and ONLY and ONLY the EPC.
    Should be written in huge letters right next to those pictures on main site
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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    Quote Originally Posted by 036 View Post
    Should be written in huge letters right next to those pictures on main site
    AGREE


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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    I do not own a Mercedes. So i have no access to EPC. Right?

    Otherwise, please show me a link to EPC. So i will register and log in.

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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    Quote Originally Posted by weide1 View Post
    I do not own a Mercedes. So i have no access to EPC. Right?

    Otherwise, please show me a link to EPC. So i will register and log in.
    You must be a dealer. And it cost you monthly to get to epc. Or you buy somewhere an old cd and crack it.

    https://service-parts.mercedes-benz....&market=Europe

    Ready to pay 1000 Euro per year?
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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    In USA it's $75 USD per year for EPC access, but you need a credit card attached to a USA mailing address for it to work. Anyone in USA can get this, no need to be a dealer...

    https://epc.startekinfo.com/epc/coverage.jsp


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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    "a credit card attached to a USA mailing address".

    I have family in the US. My brother in St. Joseph, MI. His daughter in Dupont, WA. She is married to a USAF C-17 Globemaster III pilot by the way. I have seen videos and images. Very impressive.
    So EPC access will be no problem if i ask them, i suppose. But i won't bother my family. The three VIN decoders i am using now are sufficient for me.

    And if i lose my way i will ask you people.

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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    You can also get full EPC access as a European. It costs I think perhaps a bit less than the USD 75. I have friends living in Europe who have EPC subscriptions. Anyone in Europe can get it as well.

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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    Quote Originally Posted by weide1 View Post
    I do not own a Mercedes. So i have no access to EPC. Right?

    Otherwise, please show me a link to EPC. So i will register and log in.
    Join local offical MB club and you'll get access to EPC and WIS (workshop manuals). No need own MB.
    More info: https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mer...c/brand-clubs/

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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    Quote Originally Posted by weide1 View Post
    And some things i came across.

    WDB1240361C197810.jpg
    WDB1240361C202605.jpg
    I crosschecked that the same is written also in EPC.
    So for me the the first sentence is indication that SA-codes can be inserted after the car has left the factory. The latter one is showing that evenif Germans are precise there were 'bugs' identification system of MB that can sometimes fail by producing duplicate serial numbers.

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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    Quote Originally Posted by Efraim View Post
    I crosschecked that the same is written also in EPC.
    So for me the the first sentence is indication that SA-codes can be inserted after the car has left the factory. The latter one is showing that evenif Germans are precise there were 'bugs' identification system of MB that can sometimes fail by producing duplicate serial numbers.
    Since i only found one VIN - WDB1240361C197810 - that had this "vom Kunden B+B Automobile nachgerüstet'" notification, i must conclude the other 44 VIN are original, so to say. Didn't have any notifications afterwards. Except for the double use of the engine number. But this doesn't affect the 957 and 958, i suppose?

    Remains why 29 VIN are noted as E 500. And 16 VIN are noted E 60 AMG. At least, noted in datamb.com.
    Is this also in EPC?

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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    Quote Originally Posted by weide1 View Post
    Since i only found one VIN - WDB1240361C197810 - that had this "vom Kunden B+B Automobile nachgerüstet'" notification, i must conclude the other 44 VIN are original, so to say. Didn't have any notifications afterwards. Except for the double use of the engine number. But this doesn't affect the 957 and 958, i suppose?

    Remains why 29 VIN are noted as E 500. And 16 VIN are noted E 60 AMG. At least, noted in datamb.com.
    Is this also in EPC?
    Yes, there are a few glitches with the documented engine serial numbers. The system base (VeDoc) where all other systems like EPC/WIS etc withdraw the data from automatically recognizes this. A check info is given for this vehicle to verify the actual engine number of the vehicle if possible. It refers you also to which is the other vin with the same engine serial number recorded. So this can be corrected by the official agent. It has not an influence of code 957.
    What was retrofitted by customer B&B?
    W123, W124, R129, W163, W201, R230

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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    Yeah somebody put some money in that car. But only on the codes mentioned. Not E60/Limited code. I will verify that later but it's still a original E60 Limited.
    W123, W124, R129, W163, W201, R230

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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    If I am not mistaken, corrections cannot be done any more in W124 cars in the MB EPC and (VeDoc).
    I contacted MB official dealer a while back and they requested to the documentation dept of MB to correct a typing error in the 'Sales designation ' in one of mine W124 500E's and it was not possible to make corrections in the W124 docs basically that was the answer.


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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    My 5 cent... Someone just added couple of SA codes to R129. BUT- those adds will be done as just posted above- some comments on EPC, Datacard can´t be changed.
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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    Eno, sorry to say but then they told you rubbish. It can be done IF you have the authority to do so. Not many have it. So it can be done in the our cars. Some things certainly can't be done like changing the chassis number, production date, sales point etc. But of course any changes like retrofitting the auxiliary heater for example in the previously mentioned vehicle must be performed with original parts only and by a authorized dealer. Then they add the code and EPC will show then after the quarterly update that the auxiliary heater items for example will be shown with part numbers plus you will see it in the data card as an option (like any other).
    Further the so called FO text can be used to add information related to certain items, for example my car. Here is noted and linked to construction group 42, that the brakes are modified by using xyz part numbers and quantity. So while opening group 42 the this Pop up info will come up, however the part number as per the picture is not changed. But the workshop staff can then avoid mishandling
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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    Ah ok, I see. Thnx.
    I am not familiar with EPC but the official MB dealer sent an email request to change a "typo" on the sales designation on my 500E and MB replied back cause I saw the email myself, he turned the screen of his computer and I read the email myself.
    They confirmed it was a typing mistake of the Sales Designation but could not do nothing.
    If I remember correctly it was the responsible dept for documentation that had replied.
    Anyways, I know nothing of EPC, never used it, just looked at the screen when ordering parts sometimes.


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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    Yes as said some very essential stuff can not be changed. On the afore said vin 197810, the special equipment has been retrofitted in September 2009. Equipment retrofitted 884,882,819,816,810,581,260,228.
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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    GSXR edit: Added engine / transmission serial numbers. Red text indicates engine serial over ~1000 different sequentially.

    External color combo code translations (per column below):

    • 009 = Sapphire Black (exclusive color to E500 Limited models on .036 model)
    • 744 = Brilliant Silver


    Interior color combo code translations (per column below):

    • 286 = Black leather w/red insert
    • 287 = Black leather w/green insert
    • 288 = Black leather w/gray insert


    VIN EPC DataCard type DataMB type Engine Number Transmission Number Notes / Comments Original Color Combo Link to datacard
    1 WDB1240361C131823 E500 E500 009142 3988861 009 / 288 Link
    2 WDB1240361C132346 E60 AMG E60 AMG 009206 3985818 009 / 287 Link
    3 WDB1240361C133101 E500 E500 008240 3995760 744 / 286 Link
    4 WDB1240361C133844 E500 E500 009255 3991690 009 / 288 Link
    5 WDB1240361C136478 E60 AMG E60 AMG 009158 3995737 744 / 288 Link
    6 WDB1240361C138116 E500 E500 009299 3995750 009 / 288 Link
    7 WDB1240361C144263 E500 E500 008943 3999313 009 / 288 Link
    8 WDB1240361C144815 E500 E500 005541 4003060 009 / 288 Link
    9 WDB1240361C150601 E500 E500 010724 4012555 744 / 288 Link
    10 WDB1240361C156658 E60 AMG E60 AMG 009326 4018229 009 / 288 Link
    11 WDB1240361C160356 E60 AMG E60 AMG N/A ?! 4020209 009 / 288 Link
    12 WDB1240361C160617 E60 AMG E60 AMG 009297 4022002 009 / 288 Link
    13 WDB1240361C162390 E60 AMG E60 AMG 009674 4019635 009 / 288 Link
    14 WDB1240361C162674 E500 E500 009586 4023050 009 / 288 Link
    15 WDB1240361C167396 E500 E500 009753 4029567 009 / 288 Link
    16 WDB1240361C167589 E60 AMG E60 AMG 009307 4029640 009 / 288 Link
    17 WDB1240361C168392 E500 E500 009588 4030736 744 / 288 Link
    18 WDB1240361C168952 E500 E500 009774 4030682 009 / 288 Link
    19 WDB1240361C169787 E60 AMG E60 AMG 009814 4013332 009 / 288 Link
    20 WDB1240361C170333 E500 E500 009764 4033054 009 / 287 Link
    21 WDB1240361C176354 E500 E500 009914 4034379 009 / 288 Link
    22 WDB1240361C176359 E500 E500 009795 4022034 744 / 288 Link
    23 WDB1240361C177228 E500 E500 009757 4034373 009 / 288 Link
    24 WDB1240361C177598 E500 E500 009867 4044737 009 / 288 Link
    25 WDB1240361C177608 E60 AMG E60 AMG 009618 4041625 009 / 288 Link
    26 WDB1240361C178567 E60 AMG E60 AMG 009798 4041604 009 / 288 Link
    27 WDB1240361C183327 E60 AMG E60 AMG 009726 4051037 009 / 288 Link
    28 WDB1240361C183482 E500 E500 009991 4049782 009 / 288 Link
    29 WDB1240361C183488 E500 E500 009879 4049777 009 / 288 Link
    30 WDB1240361C184306 E60 AMG E60 AMG 009974 4050895 009 / 288 Link
    31 WDB1240361C185952 E500 E500 010041 4050919 009 / 288 Link
    32 WDB1240361C188669 Unknown 500E 005703 4054823 no notation in EPC 009 / 288 Link
    33 WDB1240361C188909 E60 AMG E60 AMG 010126 4057475 009 / 288 Link
    34 WDB1240361C197661 E60 AMG E60 AMG 010182 4062996 009 / 288 Link
    35 WDB1240361C197810 E60 AMG E60 AMG 010274 4066896 009 / 288 Link
    36 WDB1240361C200075 E500 E500 010383 4070768 009 / 288 Link
    37 WDB1240361C202094 E500 E500 010374 4067845 009 / 288 Link
    38 WDB1240361C202605 E60 AMG E60 AMG 010288 4518374 744 / 288 Link
    39 WDB1240361C203149 E60 AMG E60 AMG 008379 4066875 009 / 288 Link
    40 WDB1240361C203598 E500 E500 010332 4067600 744 / 288 Link
    41 WDB1240361C204258 Unknown 500E 010241 4065918 no notation in EPC. Also another amusing notation in FO text notes on EPC data card. 009 / 288 Link
    42 WDB1240361C204818 E500 E500 010528 4066869 009 / 287 Link
    43 WDB1240361C206302 E500 E500 010446 4062980 744 / 288 Link
    44 WDB1240361C210227 E500 E500 010365 4084744 744 / 288 Link
    45 WDB1240361C213356 E500 E500 010542 4090006 009 / 288 Link

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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    The table above shows all of the 500Es produced that show codes 957 and 958 on the data cards.

    All of the cars above, then, would be E500 Limited models, with the addition of AMG 6-liter engine at some point DURING or AFTER production.

    Checking each car via the EPC, and via the DataMB site, I have added the notation for each car as it appears in the records. Note that some cars do appear as E60 AMG models, and some appear as E500 models. However, per the data card, ALL of the cars above have six-liter engines.

    One other thing to note .... this table above further disproves the "conventional wisdom" about the "12 E60 Limited" models produced, as you can see there were a total of 17 cars that have "E60 AMG" in the data cards, not counting the others which have both codes.

    So, even if someone had somehow done a search for "E60 AMG" in the data cards, they would have come up with 17 cars, not 12 cars.

    We can put that mythical number to bed, permanently, IMHO.

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    Re: List of EPC VINs for E60 Limited Cars (Codes 957+958)

    I added columns to the above table to identify the interior and exterior colors (as shipped from the factory), as well as a link to the EPC data card as displayed by DataMB.com

    In my analysis:
    • 41 out of 45 cars had the gray/black leather interior
    • 3 out of 45 cars had the green/black leather interior
    • 1 out of 45 cars had the red/black leather interior
    • 9 out of 45 cars had a Brilliant Silver exterior
    • 36 out of 45 cars had a Sapphire Black exterior


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