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    E60 or e500 ?.

    Hello everyone,

    This is my first post and I am so glad to be here among w124 enthusiasts, I currently own r129 and w220, and thinking of buying w124.

    The car am looking at is said to be e500, however, I saw some pictures for the same car but it has e60 badge on the trunck, it also has 300kmh Speedo, so am not sure what the car is exactly is. The color is a different story, it has white interior and exterior which I didn't see before this combination. Owner said car is original and it said to have 60k KM. What do u think it worth ?
    Thanks in advance

    Ps. I will post the vin as soon as I get it.

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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    Hi,
    Numbers like VIN, engine number, etc... would help.
    Difficult otherwise
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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    Elephant white....what happened to wooden trim and leather...
    You can´t treat a car like a human.
    You must love it. (c) Walter Röhrl.

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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    Quote Originally Posted by 036 View Post
    Elephant white....what happened to wooden trim and leather...

    Liberace's Car? Piano black and don't you dare sit on that spotless blinding White seat!
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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    Just an opinion, but I would not buy a car from someone that claims its 100% original when its 100% NOT!

    Post the Chassis number and we'll tell you the real story..or at least part of it.

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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    Whatever it takes, to turn back the time, molested it is, anyway. To restore IT to the VIN spec. costly if you
    are going to expect that Money it may be Worth, afterwards??
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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    The VIN decode will tell you if the car originally had a 6L engine (code 957). However, that doesn't mean the engine was not later replaced (either 5L to 6L upgrade, or 6L to 5L downgrade). Checking the engine serial number vs datacard would be the second check.

    A test drive may be helpful but only if you have driven both a 5L and 6L and know what the difference feels like, and that only is a valid test if the 6L is running correctly and making full power (ditto for a dyno test).

    The most definitive check is measuring the stroke via spark plug hole.


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    "A test drive may be helpful but only if you have driven both a 5L and 6L and know what the difference feels like"

    I would say, YOU know even without the 500E test... I remember many yrs ago, The Yellow E500 '94
    it's owner J E said: maybe there is a 6liter in there, well no, allthoug it was running very crisp and sound, it was
    on par with my 500E. Wishfull thinking don't get you far, however that nearly 600nm and 400hp does.

    I say you know when it "hits you in the back"
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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    The interior work alone isn't cheap, even if you don't like it. So assume the person with the car is the 6.0, why would they spend the coin to modify the interior, bore out the engine and leave the intake tube off? Either the person has more money and cars than most, or they just consider it an object like most with more money and cars. Imagine....
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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    We had a 400E that felt like it had a lot more power than my 034. It didn't, it just somehow felt more on the edge. Hard to tell sometimes with these old machines. I could never find out why it felt quicker, but the stopwatch told the truth.
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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taxi Driver View Post
    I say you know when it "hits you in the back"
    Yup, the 6L has a distinct feel. But if it ain't running properly, it can feel like a 5L. My first 6L car was like this - dyno showed 5L power, performance was nearly identical to 5L, etc. Measuring stroke confirmed it was truly a 6L (and also pulling the valve cover to inspect camshafts). Turned out to be partially plugged catalysts; swapped the cats and boom, full 6L power.


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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    Well you could do a quick run against another car to confirm the power... say a 2007 E500 BRABUS B8 with 410HP. But be warned as this might cause you to lose interest in the other car, and traded in for an E63 AMG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxi Driver View Post
    "A test drive may be helpful but only if you have driven both a 5L and 6L and know what the difference feels like"

    I would say, YOU know even without the 500E test... I remember many yrs ago, The Yellow E500 '94
    it's owner J E said: maybe there is a 6liter in there, well no, allthoug it was running very crisp and sound, it was
    on par with my 500E. Wishfull thinking don't get you far, however that nearly 600nm and 400hp does.

    I say you know when it "hits you in the back"
    Roger, what happened to the yellow car? it disappeared.

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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    More pictures, seller states he renewed the paint, no accidents.

    Still waiting on the vin though,
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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    What country?
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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    Quote Originally Posted by nocfn View Post
    What country?
    I'd bet it's UAE
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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    Its UAE neighbor, Saudi. But the car is not imported from japan, it said to be a middle east spec. car. Again, vin should uncover all uncertainty about it. But if that interior is from factory, it might be one out of one car !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 195910 View Post
    Roger, what happened to the yellow car? it disappeared.
    Well, Ahmad, it is still a mysterie, it was for sale, Think it was '06/'07 very luke warm interest, on the
    Scandinavian MB forum it was a topic, a lot of talk but no action. Eventually it was, sadly, sold,
    back to Germany.... The buyer told Jan-Erik to report back and send Pictures, last thing he Heard
    was, it would be painted ...Black!!! thereafter nothing was Heard. BLACK....it was unique, Sulfur
    yellow, all black/walnut int. Evo rims, as delivered. The only thing remaining is the WDB...

    Yes, it really needed a repaint and some tidying up, it had been used some Winters soo...
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    Hi,
    What happened to the rear left backrest ? It seems to be badly scratched and would, in my mind, need to be refurbished...
    The bottoms of the pictures show arabic writing which could indicate the location of the car.

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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    Hello,
    just got the vin, but i need decoding, any trustful website other than russian one ?

    WDB1240361B497839

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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    Quote Originally Posted by S500l2000 View Post
    Hello,
    just got the vin, but i need decoding, any trustful website other than russian one ?

    WDB1240361B497839

    Russian website is on the point
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    Quote Originally Posted by S500l2000 View Post
    Hello,
    just got the vin, but i need decoding, any trustful website other than russian one ?

    WDB1240361B497839
    This decoder has been the most accurate I've found:
    https://www.datamb.com/vin/50vwD9AxPKvA4nWYZ

    This car is a VERY early build 500E (March 1991!), engine number 657 indicates it was one of the first few hundred 036's produced.

    It is not an original E60 as those were not built until a couple of years later. However, it could have been a legitimate 6.0L conversion by AMG... this will not be documented in the datacard. The car has been modified, it has a facelift hood / trunk lid, and it's likely most of the other non-standard items in the photos (i.e., white seats) are also not factory. Datacard says black leather interior was factory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxi Driver View Post
    Well, Ahmad, it is still a mysterie, it was for sale, Think it was '06/'07 very luke warm interest, on the
    Scandinavian MB forum it was a topic, a lot of talk but no action. Eventually it was, sadly, sold,
    back to Germany.... The buyer told Jan-Erik to report back and send Pictures, last thing he Heard
    was, it would be painted ...Black!!! thereafter nothing was Heard. BLACK....it was unique, Sulfur
    yellow, all black/walnut int. Evo rims, as delivered. The only thing remaining is the WDB...

    Yes, it really needed a repaint and some tidying up, it had been used some Winters soo...
    WTF!! whats wrong with these people and black cars!
    I really liked this colour, always wanted to have a car in Yellow

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    Quote Originally Posted by S500l2000 View Post
    Hello,
    just got the vin, but i need decoding, any trustful website other than russian one ?

    WDB1240361B497839
    1991 500E , Black metallic with black leather interior. Nothing original about this car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 195910 View Post
    1991 500E , Black metallic with black leather interior. Nothing original about this car.
    Well, it looks like they kept the headlight wiper arms in factory color. But....notice the windshield washer nozzles have been painted white as well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8899 View Post
    Well, it looks like they kept the headlight wiper arms in factory color. But....notice the windshield washer nozzles have been painted white as well!
    Nice observation! I think they just poured buckets of white paint on the car.

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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    Assuming the VIN is accurate, it means the car has quite a few modifications... which mostly affects value for collectors.

    It could still be loads of fun if there's a 6L under the hood, and if you like the color combo. And of course if the price is right.

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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    Guys you are the best. Thank to each one of you guys contributed in this thread. Your knowledge is priceless !!

    I thought the car is original but it appears that nothing is original about it. The seller is asking $20k which is way overpriced for a car that has been poorly treated and repainted like this. Check out these pictures, seller states that this is a $10k paint job, but honstly after seeing these pictures i highly doubt it !!!

    Thanks everyone.
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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    The only interesting thing about it is that it used to have a remote control for the radio which is rare. Other than that, delivered to the dealer of the German city of Augsburg when new.
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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    Quote Originally Posted by S500l2000 View Post
    Guys you are the best. Thank to each one of you guys contributed in this thread. Your knowledge is priceless !!

    I thought the car is original but it appears that nothing is original about it. The seller is asking $20k which is way overpriced for a car that has been poorly treated and repainted like this. Check out these pictures, seller states that this is a $10k paint job, but honstly after seeing these pictures i highly doubt it !!!

    Thanks everyone.
    The engine (In the first / top pic) doesn’t even have the AMG Air cleaner badges on it........ IF it was an E60 conversion you would expect to see those yes? It is looking like a very un-original 500E which would reduce it’s value. The $10,000 Paint job has an extra digit by mistake IMHO – given that they did not spray the slam panel going by your last pic.


    HOWEVER – the top engine Pic in this thread shows a white slam panel – the latest picture with VIN plate shows a Black slam panel........ what’s up with that? Which engine bay belongs to this car!? Seller appears to not let the truth get in the way of a good story That VIN plate on the black slam panel also appears to have non original screws holding it down - tread carefully with stuff like that
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    Re: E60 or e500 ?.

    Quote Originally Posted by JC220 View Post
    HOWEVER – the top engine Pic in this thread shows a white slam panel – the latest picture with VIN plate shows a Black slam panel........ what’s up with that? Which engine bay belongs to this car!? Seller appears to not let the truth get in the way of a good story That VIN plate on the black slam panel also appears to have non original screws holding it down - tread carefully with stuff like that
    Some fine observing.

    In order to obtain the stamped engine number, maybe this video might help.

    https://www.facebook.com/alyehli/vid...5/?pnref=story

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