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    E500T for sale

    http://www.finn.no/finn/car/used/object ... e=28204353

    This is a converted '95 E500, where the luggage compartment and the roof is taken from a '92 S124 and merged with the front part on the E500. I almost did a deal on this car at springtime 2004. Since then I have been tracing it and have also spoken to all owners since the conversion was ready in 2002. (Some of you may recall that I had a silver 500TE back in 2006-2007.)

    Well - the car is for sale here in Norway, so the price is accordingly. 1 USD = 5,24 NOK

    (221.600 NOR = approx $42,300 USD !!!)

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    Re: E500T for sale

    Here are some earlier pictures of the car back when it was for sale by Hauk Motors (http://www.mercedesdeler.no/)

    I really like 500T's

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    Re: E500T for sale

    Hauk Motors did the conversion of this car. This is the photos which still remains on their sales site.

    I do also like the E500T, it's a special car to own. This car has had several owners, and I don't really know how all of them have treated it. But it looks good and still runs well.

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    Veeeery nice......but unrealistically expensive. 28 TEuro- it wiil be on sale for another couple of years.
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    Hi.

    All car prices are up in the sky here in Norway. It is hard to say how long it will stay for sale, but several converted E500Es have gone for 25-30.000 Euro during the last years. This price is only for converted cars, original cars in good condition goes for up to 40.000 Euro. Must also keep in mind that this is one of the only two E500T cars here in Norway. The good thing with this one is that this is a converted E500, the other one is a regular S124 converted with all equipment and engine merged from a 500E.

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    Re: E500T for sale

    Is there any info how many 124 T are on the roads today with 036 conversion

    and i agree ,, i really lke these cars
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    Re: E500T for sale

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpina
    Is there any info how many 124 T are on the roads today with 036 conversion

    and i agree ,, i really lke these cars
    As far as friend of mine collected infos and pics- 13 cars. Conversions from 300TE or simular- many more.
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    Hi.

    13 E500T cars, so many. I think I've seen max.5-6 cars and I don't know if all are converted 124.036 or regular stationwagons. It could be great info to have in the database here. Do you think he can share that info with this forum?

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    Re: E500T for sale

    I have pics of all 13 cars. But he asked me not to publish it....
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    Re: E500T for sale

    This is what I have. All of them have the M119 engine but I don't know if they are original 500s, conversions or what.
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    Re: E500T for sale

    Some more from my collection
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    Re: E500T for sale

    And we should not forget THE T
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    Re: E500T for sale

    Here is a couple of pics of the 500TE I had. This is a converted stationwagon. (I kept the wheels from this car and sold it with AMG mono II replicas).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 500AMM
    Here is a couple of pics of the 500TE I had. This is a converted stationwagon. (I kept the wheels from this car and sold it with AMG mono II replicas).

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    Here are some pics of a converted E500 for sale in Germany back in October 2009. This is a converted 500E, WDB124036 1B 929274, left Sindelfingen at 09.March 1993. This car was modified for an enthusiastic old man, done by Mercedes-Benz in Essen in 1998. 91.500km, but no service books left, and no documentation from the conversion available.

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    Re: E500T for sale

    Google Günter Artz.
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    Re: E500T for sale

    Quote Originally Posted by 500AMM
    Here is a couple of pics of the 500TE I had. This is a converted stationwagon. (I kept the wheels from this car and sold it with AMG mono II replicas).

    -arnt-
    Hello Arnt,
    a really nice car! Why did you sell that? Have you more pics? How expensive ist this kind of a car?

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    Re: E500T for sale

    Quote Originally Posted by 500AMM
    Here are some pics of a converted E500 for sale in Germany back in October 2009. This is a converted 500E, WDB124036 1B 929274, left Sindelfingen at 09.March 1993. This car was modified for an enthusiastic old man, done by Mercedes-Benz in Essen in 1998. 91.500km, but no service books left, and no documentation from the conversion available.

    -a-
    More from this one
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    036 - do you have any more pics / info of the purple car. I've never seen that one before it has a great stance.

    Do you guys think that the rear arches have been extended?
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    Re: E500T for sale

    Quote Originally Posted by 036
    Google Günter Artz.
    http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exote ... category=0

    Here seems to be more info on the Artz 500TE but in German... wouldn't it be nice if we got a german speaking member that could translate??
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    http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exote ... category=0

    Here seems to be more info on the Artz 500TE but in German... wouldn't it be nice if we got a german speaking member that could translate?? [/quote]

    Hi 500ESpain,

    kopy all text what you want to translate from the nast-MB-Exotenforun and put it in google-translater! From german to english or the language, what you want. I do the same here and it works!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chappardababbar
    036 - do you have any more pics / info of the purple car.
    No
    I just know that this is a 300T diesel.
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    I'd love to comission an e500t conversion... Would round out the collection nicely!

    With prices at their current level, perhaps now is the time....

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    Do we think that T models are cooler than the saloons?
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    I´d love to have V8 coupe.....
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    Re: E500T for sale

    Quote Originally Posted by chromleiste
    http://nast-sonderfahrzeuge.de/MB-Exotenforum/mix_entry.php?id=76315&page=1&order=time&category= 0

    Here seems to be more info on the Artz 500TE but in German... wouldn't it be nice if we got a german speaking member that could translate??
    Hi 500ESpain,

    kopy all text what you want to translate from the nast-MB-Exotenforun and put it in google-translater! From german to english or the language, what you want. I do the same here and it works! [/quote]

    Yes, I know, but I'm very lazy and I was expecting someone to summarize it for me
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    Yes, I know, but I'm very lazy and I was expecting someone to summarize it for me [/quote]

    Hi,
    I could make it, it was my thread in mb-exotenforum. But I am lazy too....
    No, excuse my bad english, I try to translate:
    It was an article in german oldtimer-markt magazin, who wrote about the german factory ARTZ. They build in the early 90´s different VW, AUDI and PORSCHE models to station wagons. And just 2 500E to Station 500TE! (124036...) I was looking for pictures about this cars. Someone can help me. I´m looking for thes both original ARTZ- cars in germany, and I found a hot way......
    I hope, you can understand it.
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    Re: E500T for sale

    Yes, I've seen some pictures of Artz Porsches, Audis, etc. but no pictures of the other 500TE. That will be a great find.


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    Looks good...I'd like the silver one to park next to my Wagon...
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    Re: E500T for sale

    Hello Arnt,

    sorry, that I ask again:
    Have you please more pics from your silver E500T? With open bonnet?
    Thanks,

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    Re: E500T for sale

    This seems to be the right thread...to ask regarding the pro's and con's on the two approaches to making a 500TE.

    I can see two ways...

    1) E500E with Wagon/Combi grafted on the back. Plus side is that the front will be OEM wider. The down side is you either have rear turrets sticking into the load space or you have to cut the doner wagon either in front or behind the rear seats.


    2) Put M119 into a 300TE

    From my point of view the second way is favourite.

    Any thoughts?

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    My thoughts: First way is better, but a LOT more work to do properly, and could be dangerous if not welded correctly. Second way is somewhat easier and cheaper, at least from a sheet metal standpoint, but a bit more work for the electronics.

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    Re: E500T for sale

    Personally I'd prefer the second way, but it will take some structural mods and metalwork (in terms of widening the transmission tunnel, creating a new inner firewall, modifying placement of some componentry, etc.) to do correctly. Would have to know what you were doing.

    THe good thing about the first way is that the suspension would be "real" 500E suspension, whcih IMHO is a plus. In addition no drivetrain bodywork and component movements.....

    6.5 dozen to the other IMHO.

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    2nd way is the only way to go. Cutting the cars in half and welding them together is crazy!
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    There are just 16 cars based on 500E. Rest was done from 200-300 TEs. My way is definitely the first one. Artz shows it could be done perfectly.

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    I like the first method. It seems the separation point would be as far back as the rear axle point below and behind the sunroof above which should minimize stress at the seam. This leaves relatively little work with electrics. The availability of rear end damaged 036s and low price of wagons makes this marrige considerable. Facsinated with these versions. Much respect and admiration to those that build them.

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    Re: E500T for sale

    Hello.

    Here's another thread on the same topic:
    http://www.500eboard.com/forums/show...600-500TE-Artz
    In post #14 I've briefly described how the two different techniques are performed on the two Norwegian 500TEs.

    From my point of view it's one vital question regarding such conversions; Do you want a real 500TE? Then a 124.036 has to be used as a basis. You keep at least 85% of the 124.036, dependent of how good the chassis makers are. At least you'll keep the main frame and panels and most electronics can even stay in the car during the building. Converting a regular stationwagon is much more work since everything has to be moved over from a 500, and the origin designation will never be an 124.036 either.

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    Re: E500T for sale

    How about an uber rare '68 200D Kleine Heckflosse wagon?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...201+&viewitem=
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    $42K for a Diesel Finny wagon? LOL!!

    Yes they're rare, but not $42K rare! 0-60 on that car is approximately 45 seconds

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    I'm gonna park my 036 very close to my 092, turn off the lights, mutter some magic mumbo jumbo and see if they morph together...............

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    Hello:
    Below is an email, and Google translation, of my correspondence from a prior owner regarding the E7,3T that I thought would be of interest. It was sent about 6 months ago.

    Kind Regards,

    Ron
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    Guten Tag Herr Scoma,

    ich habe den Wagen schon vor 6 Jahren im Jahr 2005 verkauft.
    Der Name des Käufers ist Ralf xxxxxxx
    Zu den Fragen:
    der Umbau war im Jahre 1995, das ist also schon sehr lange her.
    Über den kompletten Umbau gibt es eine Fotodokumentation, die hat jetzt der neue Besitzer Herr xxxxxxx.
    Soweit ich mich aber erinnern kann, wurden die vorderen Kotflügel und die Stoßstange original vom 500 E genommen.
    Die hintere Stoßstange ist original vom T-Modell. Die Radausschnitte wurden nur rausgezogen und per Zinnauftrag sehr aufwendig verbreitert.
    Ich habe Ihnen einige Bilder beigefügt, hoffentlich helfen Ihnen die Fotos weiter (die Bilder sind aus 2004)
    Für weitere Fragen kann Ihnen der neue Besitzer besser weiterhelfen.
    Es gab nie Korrosionsprobleme, im Jahr 2005 hatte der insgesamt 144 000 km gelaufen.
    Mit freundlichen Grüßen
    Helmut


    Good day, Mr. Scoma,

    I've already sold the car 6 years ago in 2005.
    The name of the buyer is Ralf xxxx
    Among the questions:
    the renovation was in 1995, so this is a very long time ago.
    About the complete reconstruction, there is a photo documentation that is now the new owner Mr. xxxxx.
    As far as I can remember but the front fender and the bumper from the original 500 E has been taken.
    The rear bumper is from the original T-model. The wheel openings were just pulled out and widened by Zinnauftrag very costly.
    I have attached some pictures that hopefully will help the photos (the photos are from 2004)
    For further questions you can help the new owner better.
    There were never problems of corrosion, in 2005 the total was 144,000 km run.
    Sincerely
    Helmut xxxxxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    My thoughts: First way is better, but a LOT more work to do properly, and could be dangerous if not welded correctly. Second way is somewhat easier and cheaper, at least from a sheet metal standpoint, but a bit more work for the electronics.

    Hello:

    I agree, but guess "it depends."

    If you're a "body guy" then the first is cheaper but if you're a "Bosch Electrical Engineer" then the second is cheaper. If you have to pay "after tax out of pocket dollars (Euro's, etc.)" then.... you get the idea.

    What I am doing is... a lot of research. I have decided to graft the 092 roof unto a 036 body.
    I am comparing panel by panel from the 092 to the 036 to see exactly what is needed and where.
    The front is easy, but the 036 fenders without a rear treatment results in a car that looks like a chipmunk IMHO.
    The main problem so far is with the rear doors, on the 036 they flare out slightly whereas on the 092 they are more straight. Same with the upper body line.
    I THINK... that the 036 outer door skins can be welded unto the 092 door frames but have yet to try it.
    I have yet to even think about the rear inner compartment.
    There are MANY MANY little parts that are needed. You really do need a 036 parts car next to you when the conversion is done.

    I guess the "proper way" to do it is to totally disassemble the car, do all the welding, acid dip the body, properly protect against corrosion, paint, and assemble. In other words... start with a body in white. But that takes more or less, unlimited money.

    Kind Regards,

    Ron

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    Interesting, Ron. I suspected there might be some difference in the rear doors. Curious...do the two share the same wheelbase? I would begin with a simple jig that would allow each car in for some measuring. I hope you go forward with it.

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    Are you sure about the doors? The EPC lists the same rear doors as every other late 124 chassis. Now, the rear door jamb might be slightly different, but that's part of the rear quarter panel - not the door.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Are you sure about the doors? The EPC lists the same rear doors as every other late 124 chassis. Now, the rear door jamb might be slightly different, but that's part of the rear quarter panel - not the door.

    Dave:
    I am sure.

    The 092 doors are:
    124 730 1905 Left
    124 730 2005 Right

    The 036 doors are:
    124 730 1705 Left
    124 730 1805 Right

    Check the EPC again, that's where I got my numbers from.

    I'll pull my 092 next to my 036 to inspect them.

    I do not see a seperate listing for the outer skin only.

    Kind Regards,

    Ron

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheward View Post
    Interesting, I would begin with a simple jig that would allow each car in for some measuring. drew
    Drew:

    That simple jig should have the name Celette on the side....

    Considering that there are many structural panels, like the entire rear floor and roof for a minor example, that has to be removed the chance for twisting is somewhere around 99.3%.
    There are other ways of course, but as the old saying goes "in for a Penny, in for 100,000 Euros." The guy who first made up that saying obviously didn't have old cars in mind, if he did he would have added the word "deposit" at the end.
    Kind Regards,

    Ron

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    Ron, d'oh, you are right - the wagons use different doors than the sedans - my bad! Are you sure it's the door skin that is a different shape? If so, it's all sedans vs all wagons, not necessarily anything .036-specific. If the donor chassis was an 036, perhaps those lines could be retained more than the 092? Hmmm....


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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Are you sure it's the door skin that is a different shape? If so, it's all sedans vs all wagons, not necessarily anything .036-specific. If the donor chassis was an 036, perhaps those lines could be retained more than the 092? Hmmm....

    Dave:
    The doors on all the sedans seem to be the same. Exceptions may be the long and chassis only versions. I checked the 032 rear doors and they are the same as the 036s.
    So... to do the 036 conversion on a 090-092 wagon one would need the sedan rear door skins along with the 036 rear fenders and inner panels along with the other usual stuff. Don't forget the wagon outer floor sides as used on the 092 E36 AMG wagon... they used a different outer floor to match up with the widened wheel wells.
    Grafting a 092 roof and rear floor on a 036 seems easier, although the word "easier" seems out of place on this project.
    If one wanted "the look" without the headaches the one could:
    1) Use the SL front fender arches (left SL front to 036 right rear, etc.) for the rear flares along with the
    036 inner wheel wells but that doesn't address the nice, and sexy, rear body flare that makes the lines of the 036 pretty damn hot.
    2) Usual front fender/spoiler treatment.
    3) Side skirts
    Sexy cost money. Always has, always will.

    FWIW.... AMG Westmont used a wooden baseball bat, Wilson I assume, to flare out the fenders on their cars. Was told that by Buxbaum himself. It's an old Hot Rodders trick. The Rat Rod people are doing the same nowadays. The spark plug in the tailpipe is coming back too, but that's another story... not really dignified on a Mercedes (or cars w/o carbs).
    Kind Regards,

    Ron

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    Hello:

    It seems that the outer door skins ("Panelling" in the EPC) for the 036 are available in Europe, P/N 124 732 0109 for the left and 124 732 02 09 for the right.
    List price is around 160 Euro's.
    They are not listed as a separate part the North American EPC.
    So one can buy a new 032 skin and weld it onto the 092 door, but the 036 window frame would need to be cut off.

    Kind Regards,

    Ron


    Gerry:
    Do you think this should be moved from the For Sale Section to the Body section?

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    Hi.

    Maybe I've lost something here, but of course it's different rear doors on stationwagon versus sedan. The window frame has a square upper rear corner since the roof continues by, and not curving down as on a sedan. I'm not sure about the door skin, but they may have a different interface against the window frame at the rear end. The door skin should be identical on 036 and regular W124.

    I've already had an 500TE, so I've studied the different conversion techniques a bit. Just to repeat myself, but I've described this in previous posts around too. I see speculations about cutting the roof at the middle and join it to a 036, and my only comment is NO! It will deformate from the welding and you lose all tension in the plate so it will be impossible to straighten. Roofs are replaced as an entire part.

    If you take off the rear fenders and strip a stationwagon and a 036 in the rear end, you'll see that nothing will match. It is as Ron describes that none of the internal panels will mate. So the rear fender adaption may unbelievably be the simplest part in this. Here’s a proposal list for 500TE conversions:

    Alt 1. Convert a regular staitonwagon. The major plate work is to replace the entire cardan column to make room for the cats etc.. (However, this will be a wannabe with 036 options IMHO, sorry..).

    Alt 2. Strip a 036 rear end, cut/adapt/weld/glue all stationwagon panels onto the 036. The entire roof has to replaced. This solution leaves most of the 036 in it, at least an untouched underbody. But I’m not sure this is the best solution leaving lots of bits and pieces and a massive weld work.

    Alt 3. Cut the cars, plice the rear compartment from a stationwagon, along with the roof, onto a 036. You lose the reinforcement in the rear chassis members, however it leaves 80% of the 036 and the designation is still in place.

    From my point of view the best-brutal-simple way is Alt 3. Take a 036 and cut the chassis under the rear seats, in the original seams where the main floor panels meets the rear end floor. Then cut the roof at A,B,C pillars. Take the rear stationwagon part along with the roof and place it over the 036. Out from a construction viewpoint, the welding is exactly where the factory choose to have them, that’s important.

    That’s my 5 cents on this.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by 500AMM View Post
    Alt 3. Cut the cars, plice the rear compartment from a stationwagon, along with the roof, onto a 036. You lose the reinforcement in the rear chassis members, however it leaves 80% of the 036 and the designation is still in place.

    From my point of view the best-brutal-simple way is Alt 3. Take a 036 and cut the chassis under the rear seats, in the original seams where the main floor panels meets the rear end floor. Then cut the roof at A,B,C pillars. Take the rear stationwagon part along with the roof and place it over the 036. Out from a construction viewpoint, the welding is exactly where the factory choose to have them, that’s important.

    That’s my 5 cents on this.

    Cheers
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    Hello Arnt:

    Thanks for the write up.

    I have to agree with you but the problem is that is not done correctly you will have interesting "tracking" while driving.

    There are many places in Chicago, or Dublin or Warsaw for that matter, that will "make two cars into one." It seems that those are the cars that go down the road sideways, if you know what I mean. I suppose with a skilled body man, welder and a proper jig it can be done. But "skilled" is the main word.
    Looking the EPC it's easy to see where the cuts should be made and theoretically the welding should be as strong as the factory but....

    I know your concerns about the roof area but what if the cut on the wagon were made just to the rear of the windscreen? One would avoid the inner structural bracing and the windscreen leakage problem. It would require some nice welding and grinding but would eliminate any structural issues I think. One can internally brace, by spot welding a cross brace to the 036, to avoid mis-alignment.
    Mercedes sells the entire roof panel as well as the bracing so it must be replaceable.
    Your thoughts on that would be appreciated.

    Kind Regards,

    Ron

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    Hello Ron.

    Yes, I understand the worries about “sideways tracking” cars. Generally spoken, this is not a simple task, and apparently not as easy as the car custom series shown on TV. So all depends on the skills on the body workers.

    I’ve never done this myself, so my comments are based on observations on; my Limited which is a spliced car, my previous 500TE which was a converted stationwagon, and the other 500TE here which is a converted 036 – spliced more or less like my Limited. My Limited has no tracking issues or sign of uneven tire wear. It has neither any leaks in the window gaskets or door jam, everything is perfect just as the original. It runs like a locomotive at any speed in any condition. That means good work IMO.

    The splice on that car is in the seam where the main floor meets the rear end floor – at the cross member/brace item 8 (seen on the second photo). This seam has good access for proper preparation of the parts, proper line-up and welding. This do then amount to the bottom joint on the chassis. The upper section joint amounts to the roof. On my Limited they cut the A-B-C-pillars, chamfered the ends on the A and B so they mated inside the interface points on the chassis. This made rigid joints avoiding displacement during welding. They also avoid any hassle with the roof plate, window gasket seats and sun roof. The converted 036 is done the same way, but they kept the rear part and the roof from the stationwagon in one piece. That’s a hughe part to handle during assembling, but again – it gave less cutting, less plate work and less welding on sensitive chassis parts.

    What I noticed on my previous 500TE is that the back seats didn't fit 100%, it seemed to be just some mm too wide for the stationwagon compartment. And the carpet didn't fit properly in the rear foot well, but I don't know which car that came from. So, there are probably some unknown issues to sort out back there.

    Cheers
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    The way i would do it... (if i had a 500E donor car)

    036

    Take out the windscreen. Remove the sheet metal roof up to the b-pilar and leave the roof structure as it is. Cut that 500E in front of the back seats.

    The b-pilars top is shaped like a T. Standing on the drivers side, cut out the remaining right hand roof structure of the rear compartment to the middle of the b-pilar.

    Remove the complete outside rocker panel (right term for that sheet with the jack holes?)

    091

    Take out the windscreen and cut a and b pilars near by the roof. Cut the bottom (with enough flesh to reweld) in front of the back seats. Cut all the roof structure from front end up the middle of the b pilar, so that only the roof panel is left. Remove the remaining rocker panel from the middle to the rear wheel arches

    Now you have several points to weld and give the car back his internal stability. The front cabin of the 036 is left as a structural unity, which stabilizes the whole car. Welding starts with the bottom, Then weld the 091 roof structure to the cutout at the b-pilar. Reweld the roof panel to the roof structure of the 036. At last weld a set of completely new rocker panels to the bottom.

    On this way you won´t have any structural problems, because you only cut points, where the cars have been assembled while building it. Its like building a house with crossed bricks.

    A, B, or C-pilars are not only a tube, which you can weld from the outside. You can´t work on the inner sheets!. Getting the needed stability is IMHO impossible when cuting the pilars.

    The backdoors of a wagon will fit, because the b-pilar ist the same on wagon and sedan and at the rear end of the door now there is the c-pilar from a wagon. You don´t have to do tricky things to the sedans rear doors

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    Re: E500T for sale

    I got a letter from a gentleman who took a 400E and "visor capped" spliced a wagon. Attached are scans of the pictures he sent.

    Unfortunately, I lost his contact info during a move.

    Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by M104-AMG View Post
    I got a letter from a gentleman who took a 400E and "visor capped" spliced a wagon. Attached are scans of the pictures he sent.

    Unfortunately, I lost his contact info during a move.

    Enjoy!

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    Many thanks, Neil!

    Finally a proof on what I've been trying to explain through a number of posts on this. Take a look at the pics in post #52 and you recognise the location of the weld in the floor sections. In the case posted by Neil, the roof joints in front is on the upper end of the A-pillar, while they are midway up on my Limited. I don't know if that is a better location, I guess it is just a choice.

    "Visor capped splicing" is in fact a very good word for this method, so I will from now on use that expression on this particular way of converting a real 500TE. Thanks again Neil for posting!

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    Mr.Big Pants & Admins:

    Neil posted the news on this thread too: http://www.500eboard.com/forums/show...600-500TE-Artz

    I'll propose we merge these threads to collect typical "500TE conversion" information in one place.
    ...or this thread could be merged into the other one, whatever the best.

    Thanks
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    here is a great Japanese blog dedicated to E500T...

    http://black.ap.teacup.com/applet/am...gcate9/archive

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