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    HOW-TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    FYI. Here's a wiring method discovered from another Forum (this version jumpers City Lights to Parking Lights). See Post #3.

    http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...eadlights.html

    I think wiring the City Lights to the Driving/Fog Light circuit (ala gsxr mention) will get the Driver more action..

    See Post #7 for wiring reference diagram.

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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    On a 500E/E500, I definitely recommend wiring the city light to the bumper fogs. Besides the bling/action/coolness, it's also fairly easy to wire up.

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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    Another option for wiring the city light is to use a pin wire from the headlight wiper connect (providing you don't intend to use them). In the photo you can see the grey w/red wiper wire i used. This option will provide city lights with parking lights without cutting any factory wires. I used a small piece of weatherstrip to preserve the wiper connect for the future

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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    Yeah, I posted a link not too long ago to Steve Nervig's site about same operation.

    http://web.mac.com/dakota/Projects/EuroLights.html

    http://web.mac.com/dakota/Mercedes/P...ingUpgrade.pdf

    BTW with regard to city lights getting you action, you guys are all way off base. City lights don't get you any action whatsoever. I've been running city lights since 1987 (when I was 20 yrs old) on my VW GTI (Techtonics bored 2.0) and all Benzes I've ever had.

    Meh, never any action, even when I was a young buck. City lights are the equivalent of placebo viagra.

    Now NOS, on the other hand ...... there's something about that phallic big blue bottle in the trunk.........

    PUMP .... IT .... UP !!!

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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    I haven't followed all the details in this thread, but I thought that I'd share the method I used to run the euro side markers.
    I made a connecting adapter with a single wire terminal plug as in the photo below. The single terminal (blue) fits into the 6-terminal plug on the euro-spec headlamps, then the adapter provides the 2-pin female connector for the corner signal lamps and a 4-pin male connector to mate with the original US-spec corner lamp. This way the corner light's original 3-pin (in the 4-pin connector) remains unchanged. All OEM connectors - easy to swap back to original US-spec amber corners. Some state's regulations may require 'yellow-colored' corner markers (not just the bulbs) and this facilitates easy retrofit for annual inspections. This also takes the parking lamp signal back into the euro-headlamp for connection of the city-lights as parking lamps.

    Also note the relay mounting location which tucks behind the windshield washer reservoir.
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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    Nice, clean work Whitehawk. Congrats. You're good man.

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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    Not having taken things apart yet for a look-see, I'm still trying to wrap my head around this (electrical systems and wiring are not my strong-point, to say the least).

    To clarify - the relays are not necessary unless you want to run higher wattage bulbs, correct?

    Are all connectors available through the local MB dealer? Is there a better (cheaper) source?

    Can someone lay out a necessary parts list for a simple install and a full-on, higher wattage install?

    At this point I'm starting to think I should hold off on installing my lights until the car is in storage for the winter and I have lots of time to muck around.
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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    Relays are not needed unless using higher wattage bulbs, correct.

    All connectors are easily available through the local dealer or through parts.com (cheapest source, but combine with a larger order or you'll get had for shipping)

    For a simple install, all you need are the two connectors (4 parts -- two each of the two halves) and also two extra barrel connector ends for the ends of the wires (best to solder them on), and wire screws to tap into the power lines.

    I don't have the info for a relay/higher wattage install.

    The "simple install" job takes less than an hour, perhaps 45 minutes really.

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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    Thanks Gerry. I'm much less confused!

    I have only looked at my new euro lights briefly, but they have the 6-pin connectors in them, so I assume I just need to get the matching opposite connector for each of those and re-wire them with the wires that now go to the existing 4-pin connector. Is there a second connector on each side that needs to be replaced or are you including the 6-pin connectors in the headlights as 2 of your 4?

    Whitehawk - if you use the power lead for the wipers to power the city lights, when does it receive power? In other words, when would the city lights come on?
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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    The wiper motors have their own separate connector, if I recall correctly. The two-prong connector that you may be referring to from my photos are for euro-style clear corner/signal lamps. US corner/signal lamps are amber in color and have a 4-pin connector of which three pins are used. This is because they power corner (parking) lamps and turn signals. The euro-clear corners are turn signals only, they only have a 2-pin connector. They look clear from the outside but are fitted with an amber bulb and therefore blink amber in color for the turn signal. The third lead from the US-style (for parking lamps) is the lead shunted over to the city lights, via the blue wire (in my picture) into the six-pin connector of the euro-headlamps. I hope that helps.

    Sorry for the confusion on the relays, they are not necessary unless you're running higher wattage bulbs. I have upgraded to a 150Amp alternator and feed the headlamps a solid fused 40 amps through 12 (or was it 10?) gauge SXL automotive wire wrapped in techflex. It is a very tight fit for the 6-pin connector. The wires have to be pre-formed into the bundle and wrapped to fit fairly precisely to where the headlamp connector is. The relays are a bit more than most relay installations as they are in a removable mount and there are separate relays for highs and lows. The driver side is a very tight fit for the relay installation, but it is possible with patience.

    Since you need you car to be a daily driver, go with the euro lamp install as Gerry has described. You'l be amazed at the better visibility at night with those lamps.

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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    I have just taken all of the barrel connectors out of the 4-pin connectors on the stock lights and wired them up into the proper sockets in the 6-pin connectors -- replaced the housings totally. Sounds like yours may be different, hmm. I've done this on my E500, my 560SEC and my 560SL (all with Euro lights) and the process has been the same. Weird.

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    Thanks Gerry. I'm much less confused!

    I have only looked at my new euro lights briefly, but they have the 6-pin connectors in them, so I assume I just need to get the matching opposite connector for each of those and re-wire them with the wires that now go to the existing 4-pin connector. Is there a second connector on each side that needs to be replaced or are you including the 6-pin connectors in the headlights as 2 of your 4?

    Whitehawk - if you use the power lead for the wipers to power the city lights, when does it receive power? In other words, when would the city lights come on?

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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    Quote Originally Posted by Prime View Post
    Thanks Gerry. I'm much less confused!

    I have only looked at my new euro lights briefly, but they have the 6-pin connectors in them, so I assume I just need to get the matching opposite connector for each of those and re-wire them with the wires that now go to the existing 4-pin connector. Is there a second connector on each side that needs to be replaced or are you including the 6-pin connectors in the headlights as 2 of your 4?

    Whitehawk - if you use the power lead for the wipers to power the city lights, when does it receive power? In other words, when would the city lights come on?
    I may have added some confusion. You can pull your power for city lights from either the corner lights or the wiper connection. You need just two connectors. Each connector is two pieces, connector body and cover.

    If you use the power lead for the wipers the city lights will come on when you turn on the parking lights and the headlights. If you go this route, you no longer need two additional barrel connectors since these will pull right out of the wiper connector. Your parking / position lights will still come on with your city lights. This is not the way they operate outside the USA, however i like the setup and it requires no wire cutting. The method Whitehawk outlined will give you euro corner lights that don't light with the city lights. This method, which is the technically correct one, will require two additional 2 pin connectors for the corner lights. Hope this helps.

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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    This PDF might be helpful for some - check out the last page:

    http://www.w124performance.com/image...ht_Install.pdf

    You will need to fabricate & add a fifth wire in the 6-pin housing if you wish to use the "city light" on the Euro headlamp assemblies - this is not shown in the PDF above.


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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    Thanks guys - I think I have it now. And I added to the confusion myself for asking Whitehawk about something done by Sheward. Oh well.

    Stay tuned to see how confused I get when I actually start the job!
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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    Got back from the local MB dealer a little while ago and they were no help at all in sourcing the connectors or the under-light trim panels without the hole for the wiper (although after I left I realized I could have just asked for the panels from a 300E). They even went on the European EPC but found that they would have to order them, so I figured I could get them online myself cheaper with the same wait time.

    Does anyone have part #s or sources? I recall that someone here had the panels (with slots) for sale, which would probably be okay.
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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    Part numbers are in here:

    http://www.w124performance.com/docs/...headlights.pdf

    Trim panels are on page 3. The six-pin onnector is the same as used for one of the taillights (passenger side, I think).

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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    Hello all,

    You will need the following parts for the conversion from US-spec headlights to Euro-spec headlights:

    The bottom (large) body connector is MB part number 006 545 80 28
    The top (smaller) cover connector is MB part number 009 545 30 28
    Female pin barrel connector (4 needed) is MB part number 003 545 26 26

    GSXR is correct -- they are the same part as the one use for the taillight. The female barrel connectors should be soldered onto the ends of the wires.

    I've attached a couple of photos of one of the spare 6-pin plastic connectors I have in my parts stock, as well as a wiring diagram/sheet (for a 201 chassis, but it works for the 124 as well).

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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    I sifted the basic 4-pin to 6-pin connector wiring configuration from the above-mentioned sources, then struck off on my own regarding the final wiring method.

    Taking a bit more effort to enable, I chose to have the city light wiring parallel the existing wiring routes from head light connector to bumper mounted foglight connector. The terminal connections were soldered. The affected wiring harnesses were then wrapped from end-to-end with a superior quality vinyl electrical tape. If I had the stock on hand, I would have further covered the harnesses from connector to chassis grommet with seamless vinyl harness tubing similar to the OE for a true factory look (maybe sometime later).

    The city light is powered by a 5 watt bulb, the headlight H4 bulb is rated 70/65W (2000/1350 lumens). No further wiring modifications were required. Just from a visual aspect, the Eurolights look so much better than the US DOT-spec lights. I’m looking forward to dialing in the alignment & doing some night driving with this new equipment.

    Admin note: Stock bulbs are 4 watt city light, and 60/55 watt H4 main headlight bulb. Higher wattage bulbs offer more Matt Helm effect.

    PS: the 6-pin connector for the W124 is p/n 011 545 50 28. This is a one piece hinged item. This same connector can be stripped from the right rear tail light of any derelict W124 or purchased from parts.com for $2.16.

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    BTW with regard to city lights getting you action, you guys are all way off base. City lights don't get you any action whatsoever...Meh, never any action, even when I was a young buck. City lights are the equivalent of placebo viagra.
    What do you expect if your citys are not wired via the fogs! It all comes down to technical application & risk acceptance. The results of activating the city lights using the fog light switch is the next closest thing to a comp visit to the legendary pheromone-ionized Matt Helm Lounge. Tremendously rewarding, but certainly not for the feint of heart! Activate with discretion...
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    Those Osram Hyper 70/65's are da bomb, ain't they? Made a big difference compared to the stock 60/55's....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Those Osram Hyper 70/65's are da bomb, ain't they? Made a big difference compared to the stock 60/55's....

    Agreed. The extra wattage should compensate for any nighttime visibility difference lost with the tinted front window, plus the Matt Helm Lounge would also certainly condone their stated "special service" usage...
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    Where do get the 70/65W Osrams? I found the stock wattage at MotiveMods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maui View Post
    Where do get the 70/65W Osrams? I found the stock wattage at MotiveMods.
    http://www.danielsternlighting.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maui View Post
    Where do get the 70/65W Osrams? I found the stock wattage at MotiveMods.
    ...or from http://store.candlepower.com/64205.html
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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    When you use the term "City lights" I am assuming your talking about the fog lights on the lower front valence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maui View Post
    When you use the term "City lights" I am assuming your talking about the fog lights on the lower front valence?
    No. When I use the term "City lights" I am talking about the city lights located in the Euro head light housing (operating similar to "daytime running lights").

    Driving lights are on the lower front valence of the 500E...but, out of habit, we most seem to call them fogs.

    Search on city lights. Existing threads should provide all further details.



    ...Here's what the setup looks like on my 500E
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    On mine those two inner lights come on when I turn on the high beams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maui View Post
    On mine those two inner lights come on when I turn on the high beams.
    If you look in the wiki where I have the bulb reference guide you will see the small 4w city light bulbs, which fit inside of the main headlight housing on 500E and E500 Euro lights. They are used very much like we use "parking" lights here in the US. They are dim because they are only 4 watts.

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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    I apologize for my ignorance, but as mine is wired right now with the 6-pin connector the lights right next to grill only come on when I flick on the brights.

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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    No need to apologize for anything !!


    Quote Originally Posted by Maui View Post
    I apologize for my ignorance, but as mine is wired right now with the 6-pin connector the lights right next to grill only come on when I flick on the brights.
    It sounds to me like your lights are working correctly. The pencil beam "driving lights" inboard of the main headlights, next to the grill, are activated with the turn signal lever. It can be confusing as many people think the spoiler-mounted fog lights on the E500E are driving lights, but actually the driving lights are the lights in between the grill and the main headlights. The lamps in the spoiler are merely fog lights.

    This is a different arrangement from the stock US W124 lamp arrangement, because regular W124s didn't have the spoiler-mounted fog lights. So, on non-036 US W124s (such as my wife's 1995 E320 wagon), the lights in between the grill and the main headlights are indeed fog lights, and the "bright" lights are a conventional US-style dual filament headlight with the bright and regular headlight combined in the same unit. And, there is NOTHING mounted below/in the bumper of a regular US W124.

    So....definitively, this is how the system works, stock, on US 500E and E500 cars, when turning the headlight knob clockwise:

    1 click: parking lights ..... light at each of the four corners of the car (each front turn signal has a dual-filament bulb, one for parking light and one for turn signal)
    2 clicks: parking lights + headlights
    2 clicks + push turn signal lever forward toward dashboard: parking lights + headlights + "driving lights" (blue light illuminates below gauges)
    2 clicks + pull turn signal lever back toward driver: parking lights + headlights + "driving lights" -- flasher mode (flashes driving lights to warn oncoming traffic)
    2 clicks + pull out knob 1 click: parking lights + headlights + fog lights (lights in front spoiler)
    2 clicks + pull out knob 2 clicks: parking lights + headlights + fog lights (front spoiler) + rear fog lamp (extra red taillight on driver's side; orange dot in center of headlight switch lights up)

    This is how the system works, stock, on US cars, when turning the headlight knob counter-clockwise (ignition off).
    These are intended as a safety measure to mark the position of cars pulled off the road (most Americans don't understand the following).

    1 click: turns ONLY passenger side parking lights on (front turn signal and taillight)
    2 clicks: turns ONLY driver side parking lights on (front turn signal and taillight)

    I installed Euro E500 lights on my car many years ago. They came with small, 4W "city light" bulbs embedded in the reflector material inside of the main headlight on each lamp.
    I wired these "city lights" to work with the US parking lights, so that when the headlight knob is turned 1 click, ONLY the parking and city lights are illuminated.

    In Europe, the turn signal lamps in the front corners are ONLY used as turn signals, and DO NOT serve a dual purpose as turn signals + "parking lights" as is customary with US cars. Thus, the "city lights" take the place of the US parking light on Euro cars.
    Newer US cars are increasingly using Euro-style "city lights" in place of dual-function turn signal lamps.

    Over the past 20 years, the formerly draconian US DOT restrictions on headlights, parking lights and other automotive lamps have come into much better alignment with the rest of the world. For example, back when the W108 and W109 were sold, the ability to "flash" one's bright lights on and off was against DOT restrictions, despite being a capability found on those cars. For all W108 and W109 models shipped to the US, the "flasher" wire was clipped so that this ability was not present on US-market cars. It was a common DIY modification to "reinstate" the flasher capability on these cars.

    Starting about 1990 or 1991, if I remember correctly, the W124 incorporated the ability (on US models) to have the single red, rear foglight. This was disabled on earlier W124 US model cars, though you could see in the taillight that there was clearly a place for the foglight...it was simply not "enabled" for US cars. My wife's former 1992 300TE wagon had this rear foglight capability, and I believe it is indeed present on all US 036 models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    I installed Euro E500 lights on my car many years ago. They came with small, 4W "city light" bulbs embedded in the reflector material inside of the main headlight on each lamp.
    I wired these "city lights" to work with the US parking lights, so that when the headlight knob is turned 1 click, ONLY the parking and city lights are illuminated.

    In Europe, the turn signal lamps in the front corners are ONLY used as turn signals, and DO NOT serve a dual purpose as turn signals + "parking lights" as is customary with US cars. Thus, the "city lights" take the place of the US parking light on Euro cars.
    City lights are on in the photo below, with headlights OFF.

    My city lights have 5-watt Xenon bulbs and are wired to turn on with the bumper fogs, not the parking/marker/corner lights.

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    "I see", said the blind man.

    Gerry thanks for your thorough explanation.

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    My city lights are wired the same as Gerry's. When my parking lights are on, so are my city lights (this is my preferred cruising arrangement at dusk).
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    Starting about 1990 or 1991, if I remember correctly, the W124 incorporated the ability (on US models) to have the single red, rear foglight. This was disabled on earlier W124 US model cars, though you could see in the taillight that there was clearly a place for the foglight...it was simply not "enabled" for US cars. My wife's former 1992 300TE wagon had this rear foglight capability, and I believe it is indeed present on all US 036 models.
    A point of reference: my 1989 560SEC (C126) and 1990 560SEL (V126) DO NOT have the rear red foglight enabled from the factory (both are US-spec vehicles). However both cars DO have the orange dot in the middle of the headlight switch; it just doesn't light up nor does the rear fog light work.

    The C126 DOES (similarly to the .036) have two front spoiler-mounted foglights, which are controlled in the same manner as on the .036. My V126 sedan DOES NOT have spoiler-mounted foglamps, and is controlled in the same way as a "pedestrian" (non-036) W124 model.

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    My 1989 300e had a functional rear fog.
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    Would you please describe how & from where you sourced the power to run your city lights with the parking lights? TIA

    With respect to the rear fog light, are you referring to the empty bulb socket located inward of the rear brake light socket? If so, I didn't know until now what the purpose of that "extra" socket was. I converted it to an additional brake light in an effort to let those driving behind me know that I was braking. Picture attached (not very clear but you get the idea).

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    To power your city lights via the parking light, you need a female pin (to go into your new six pin connector) a length of wire, spade connector and T-tap as shown in the picture.



    Yes, the driver side taillight should of had a bulb in it, the passenger side would be empty (assuming your car is LHD).
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    Re: HOW TO: Converting 4-pin US Spec Head Light Connector Wiring to 6-pin Euro Spec

    This is detailed around the internet in many documents, including I think one that is posted to this board. Basically you just run a short, jumper wire from the power lead to each parking light, to a six-connector plug (you need to purchase this item from the dealer; your car only comes with a four-pin connector plug). Then you just solder the connector together, and make the connection.

    I've attached one such document that's out on the web that tells you how to do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    I do the same with my 036's. It saves my $$$ Osram Hyper H4's as I always run the fogs+city lights during daylight hours. And it looks pretty cool too, IMO.



    Over here we're fined for carrying fog lights....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc R View Post
    Over here we're fined for carrying fog lights....
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    Yup....when there is no foggy weather and fogs are illuminated you'll be fined
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc R View Post
    Yup....when there is no foggy weather and fogs are illuminated you'll be fined
    Oh weird! I've never heard of such a thing...


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    My fogs are my running lights......
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Oh weird! I've never heard of such a thing...

    When I was on holidays in Croatia 15+ years ago, I had a police officer lecture the crap out of me for 10 minutes for having the fogs on, with no foggy weather. Never did that again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joef View Post
    When I was on holidays in Croatia 15+ years ago, I had a police officer lecture the crap out of me for 10 minutes for having the fogs on, with no foggy weather. Never did that again!
    What is the explanation/rationalization? They are basically DRL's when lit without any fog, and DRL's are required in some countries... hilarious that it's illegal in other countries. Sheesh.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    What is the explanation/rationalization? They are basically DRL's when lit without any fog, and DRL's are required in some countries... hilarious that it's illegal in other countries. Sheesh.

    Apparently I was blinding oncoming traffic.
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