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    So today I'm back from three weeks of work. This week will be all about assembly of the plenum and cleaning up the last parts. I have not placed my order with Mercedes yet, will do tomorrow since I'm still missing a few bits to put on the list.
    Progress report will come this evening or tomorrow.

    But first, I just have to share this cool accessory, the Hella Raintronic, basically an aftermarket rain sensor. One of the very few "modernities" that I really miss on the W124, especially since you can't control the interval of the wipers in interval mode.

    2017-06-12 09.29.11.jpg2017-06-12 09.29.03.jpg2017-06-12 09.28.23.jpg2017-06-12 09.28.14.jpg2017-06-12 09.28.01.jpg

    I will mount this when the other work is done!
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    Re: OWNER - doolar

    Cool, its actually approved for the W124... is it a new old stock ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 195910 View Post
    Cool, its actually approved for the W124... is it a new old stock ?
    Yes NOS, I've been hunting for one for years, Ebay.de have them from time to time, but for crazy prices (€200 or more), I finally found one in Sweden for a very reasonable sum. They are not manufactured by Hella any longer, think mine's produced in the late ´90's. (edit, checked the box, it seems to been produced in November of 1996)

    Seems to work fine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVV7SdhgO6Q
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    So today I stripped my injectors of all o-rings, filters and pintle caps. They've recently been cleaned professionally, so I'm just replacing the o-rings, filters and pintle caps. Also I've cleaned them on the outside to remove all the dirt there, sprayed them with electronic cleaner afterwards. Ordered a set of above mentioned parts for the injectors, I'll rebuild them as soon as they arrive.

    Cleaned the ETA, I replaced it not so many years ago with a 2004-made one, so it was not so dirty, basically just a wipe off. The gasket area needed some further cleaning to remove old gasket residue.

    I cleaned the MAF with electronic cleaner, alcohol. Externally I just wiped it off, and cleaned the gasket surfaces with citric acid to remove the crud and dried in rubber.

    All other parts are cleaned or new, so I've just arranged everything neatly to be packed in my car for taking down to the garage where I have the Merc.

    This evening I'll place an order for the parts I need from Germany, they usually deliver within a few days, so I have those days for the final cleaning and preparation for assembly.

    Pictures and more progress will come tomorrow evening!
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    The parts I need ordered just now. I also got hold of some high temp insulation tubing today, ordered from a Swedish car parts dealer.

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    Cleaned the injectors, they're waiting rebuilding now:

    2017-06-13 11.09.19.jpg

    One more fun Hella contemporary accessory, their take on the third brake light. They where only fitted to US sold cars, so of course Hella made one. I think it's to big to fit behind the rear curtain, but I'll try. Since the Mercedes third brake light seems to melt away, maybe this one is of better quality? Plus it was really cheap. NOS made in 1989 folks!

    2017-06-13 11.09.36.jpg2017-06-13 11.09.49.jpg2017-06-13 11.10.27.jpg2017-06-13 11.10.35.jpg

    I'll be back with more soon!
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    Re: OWNER - doolar

    very nice
    But what do you mean by 3rd brake light only sold on us cars? i have this standard on my car..and its in the datacard also.. do you mean this particular Hella one?
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    My Canadian E500 has a third brake light.

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    To my knowledge the third brake light was never offered as standard equipment on the W124 in Europe, as an option, yes, but not standard. But I may well be wrong!
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    It was standard equipment on all North American cars, including USA and Canada. As Thomas noted above, it was likely optional in other regions.


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    Today I started to reassemble some of the parts on the intake manifold. I also removed one of the cam magnets for closer inspection, I've held this off since I need to remove the power steering fluid can for the left side, no need to have that system opened for a year.



    Well upon closer inspection of the right cam magnet, I don't think it'll do with just a reseal, it needs to be replaced or rebuilt. I haven't seen this How-To by JC220 before, but that answered all my questions. New ones are €190 a piece, so I'd rather not buy them new if I can seal them properly on my own.

    So that's what I'll start with tomorrow. Other than that, I'm ready to assemble, just some minor cleaning to do in the engine compartment.

    2017-06-14 10.24.14.jpg

    Yes I know, it's not spotless. If I had not cleaned it myself it would look even better, but I'm satisfied. At least it is very clean now, just some discoloration of the alloy. The EGR does't look to nice either, but this was the best I could get it, and I'm not getting a new one...
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    Removed the power steering fluid can and the left cam magnet.

    Cleaned the power steering bits:

    2017-06-15 10.58.34.jpg

    Drilled out the rivets on the cam magnets, this is how they looked:

    2017-06-15 11.12.12.jpg

    2017-06-15 10.58.54.jpg

    I can clearly see where the connector has been pressing the seal flat, and this is probably the main reason of the leakage at the connector:

    2017-06-15 11.11.44.jpg

    Some cleaning:

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    Citric acid and a razor blade to remove the old goo:

    2017-06-15 11.36.53.jpg

    Inside:

    2017-06-15 11.36.57.jpg

    Rebuilding next!
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    Ordered a few new parts from the dealership today, attaching the p/n's for future reference:

    A1199970045 sealing ring servo reservoir
    A1294660180 gasket servo reservoir (expensive piece of gasket, I know of the aftermarket ones that I've seen here, but they seem to be found in the US only. $22 for postage from Ebay... so that's out the window. I probably could have found it if I tried, but time is moneys toos )
    A0004662104 filter servo reservoir
    A1191800009 engine oil filter

    Insulation tubes arrived today too. DHL reports that they will deliver my package from Autohaus Dröge tomorrow. Waiting for the injector kit from the US to arrive, and tomorrow I'll rebuild the cam magnets. All our RTV at work was to old for me to dare use it, so I discarded it and ordered new from Würth, picking it up in the morning.

    Hopefully I'll have something to show for tomorrow evening! Getting closer!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by doolar View Post
    So today I'm back from three weeks of work. This week will be all about assembly of the plenum and cleaning up the last parts. I have not placed my order with Mercedes yet, will do tomorrow since I'm still missing a few bits to put on the list.
    Progress report will come this evening or tomorrow.

    But first, I just have to share this cool accessory, the Hella Raintronic, basically an aftermarket rain sensor. One of the very few "modernities" that I really miss on the W124, especially since you can't control the interval of the wipers in interval mode.

    2017-06-12 09.29.11.jpg2017-06-12 09.29.03.jpg2017-06-12 09.28.23.jpg2017-06-12 09.28.14.jpg2017-06-12 09.28.01.jpg

    I will mount this when the other work is done!
    I want one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maui View Post
    I want one.
    Here you go buddy:

    http://m.ebay.de/itm/Hella-Regensens...%257Ciid%253A1
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    Quote Originally Posted by doolar View Post
    The listing says no shipping to the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maui View Post
    The listing says no shipping to the USA.
    My experience from Ebay.de is that most sellers are willing to ship outside of Germany. I've contacted many sellers on Ebay.de regarding this, and have never once been turned down.

    This particular item from this particular seller has been out on Ebay for months. The seller started his auction at around €250 IIRC. That makes it even more likely that the seller ship anywhere in the world.

    Email the seller and ask - it won't cost anything.
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    Negative reply. No shipping to USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doolar View Post
    Email the seller and ask - it won't cost anything.
    I've done this several times with mixed results. Sometimes they'll agree and ship to this side of the pond. I've heard of some people offering to pay a bonus on top of shipping costs to help convince them. I don't know why so many European sellers just flat refuse to ship to USA, even for small / light items. Years ago they wouldn't take PayPal and payment was a hassle (required international bank wire transfer, etc) but nowadays I guess they just don't like us.


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    Too bad that the seller didn't want to ship to the US, I don't get it to be honest. It's the exact same procedure as sending it anywhere else.

    Unfortunately I made no progress with the cam magnets today, I was sure that we had countersunk rivets in our workshop, but no. Spent quite some time today trying to find any locally, but no such luck. The only place that had them sold them in packs of 500. So, Ebay.de saved me, but it means a few more days of waiting.

    The DHL package arrived today, so I can start with other stuff while I wait for my last shipments to arrive. But tomorrow is conference day at work, so hopefully Thursday. One step forward, two steps back.
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    I think people don't want the hassle of filling out customs paperwork, etc. for international shipping. I admit it is a bit of a PITA, but when I do spark plugs internationally, I keep a stock of customs forms handy and use them. Takes all of 3-5 minutes to fill one out, but it does require going "up to the window" at the post office to manually have them process things and affix the customs label and postage sticker.

    Yeah, it's a pain. But not horrible.....

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    Finished re-sealing the cam magnets about a month ago:

    2017-07-06 15.49.28.jpg

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    Today I began the assembly of the car, with a goal set to be finished on friday!! Those of you who follow my thread knows that something always gets in my way, but now I have my last week of vacation, and just to myself. So hopefully...

    I began with the two coolant hoses that passes through the firewall. The old ones where in really good condition, they are most likely the original ones. Still soft and with no visible damage. But now they're swapped out, hopefully good for many years.

    Continued with cleaning off the leftover goo from where the cam magnets meets the cylinder head:

    2017-08-15 12.10.55.jpg

    2017-08-15 12.10.44.jpg

    Finished off with wiping the contact surfaces with alcohol. Time for some gooey stuff, looked at GSXR's pictures on how much to use, I think and hope I hit the sweet spot:

    2017-08-15 12.47.20.jpg

    2017-08-15 12.47.07.jpg

    Next up, reassemble the power steering fluid container, new gasket of course, and no over-tightening of those Torx's. Popped a new filter in and added fluid, I'll top fill once I get the engine running.

    Lastly for today I removed the insulator caps just to have a look. The left one had some moisture, the right one was bone dry. Cleaned out some dirt, and inspected my insulators more closely. They are made in 1992! So original one's then. I can't see any major wrong with them, but I'm enclosing images and if you think otherwise, please let me know. I can see that they are worn, but I don't know if they are bad:

    2017-08-15 13.38.57.jpg

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    That's it for now, the fun continues tomorrow!
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    Hi, I just changed the caps rotors to Bosch manufactured ones, not ebay, also did remove the insulators, allthough they were black
    also from '92 when AMG delivered the converted S60/500SEL. They were like new but anyway I gave them a couple rounds of clearcoat.

    I had new O-rings but thats it, so sweet it runs by now, unbeliveably smoth from 600rpm in gear to 6000+rpm. Satisfied.....? YES
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    Yea maybe some clearcoat does it? I swapped the o-rings recently.
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    Continued today with the car.

    First off, I see that it's time to polish the AMG door pins. They are normally making panties wet all around, but I haven't tripped over any women trying to get in the car in the garage over the past year. Usually there's piles of them!

    2017-08-16 12.25.56.jpg

    Next I refitted the center console wood and ashtray:

    2017-08-16 12.24.31.jpg

    Cleaned off the old gasket gunk from the heads, replaced vacuum tubing and spent about an hour thinking about which bolt goes where:

    2017-08-16 12.23.35.jpg

    Reassembling the intake manifold and plenum, with ETA and MAF:

    2017-08-16 12.23.17.jpg

    This vacuum line just snapped off, it was brittle as hell:

    2017-08-16 12.23.50.jpg

    Assembled the throttle linkage. Removed all ball joint bars, rollers and everything else moving and cleaned out dirt and old lube. Lubed with lithium grease and refitted. I also adjusted two of the bars:

    2017-08-16 14.25.42.jpg

    Ready to go in the car tomorrow:

    2017-08-16 12.58.06.jpg

    That's it for today, tomorrow I think I'll be able to finish it!!
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    First hours of work done today, I'll continue this evening. Now I'm close!

    Cleaned the valve covers, they turned out ok, it's at least a huge improvement over how they looked before:

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    After:
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    After:
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    After this it was time to vacuum everything in and around the inlet ports, to try to ensure that there are no foreign objects there. Fitted the manifold gaskets:

    2017-08-17 11.31.25.jpg

    Manifold in place, vacuum hoses routed:

    2017-08-17 15.06.17.jpg

    Connected everything to the throttle linkage:

    2017-08-17 12.33.10.jpg

    Fitted plug wires guide and the plastic bits surrounding the magnets and distributors:

    2017-08-17 15.52.35.jpg

    I have routed the vacuum hoses and used insulator cable to protect and collect the hoses. The EZL cables also got re-insulated.

    It all seems like 30 minutes of work when I write this post, but I spent a good six hours in the shop today. There's a lot of things to get right when doing this kind of job, takes some thinking to figure out the easiest way to route vacuum hoses when putting everything back.

    I'm taking it slow, trying to avoid silly mistakes. I made one today though, and that was when tightening the intake manifold screw that also holds the plug cable support. I was busy looking at my torque wrench, so I missed that the plastic thing began to spin due to no lubrication. *Snap* and it broke. I'll glue it for now, at least it broke off clean and not in a million pieces. I've added the plastic bit to my shopping list.

    Well, I'll be back with post nr. 2 for today later this evening, going back to the shop after some dinner with my wife and son.
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    Looks great – glad to see at least one person found the Magnet Re-seal DIY useful What sealant did you use inside them?


    All very nice work indeed Sir! It looks like your cam covers are bare metal though - or is this an optical illusion?

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    LAte M119's have bare valve covers, no paint. Pretty sure this started somewhere in early 1994 production but I don't know exactly when. Most (all?) 1995 USA model year cars have the bare valve covers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    LAte M119's have bare valve covers, no paint. Pretty sure this started somewhere in early 1994 production but I don't know exactly when. Most (all?) 1995 USA model year cars have the bare valve covers.
    As you can see from the photo, my own car is a fairly early 1994 model (chassis #052693) and it has the bare valve covers. The production date for my car is ~Sept 1993 (probably June 1993 per GSXR, but I 'll let him confirm).


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    My July-1993 build E500 has painted covers. Looks like the change to no-paint (a race-ready, weight-saving option!) may have been in early facelift production, summer 1993-ish.


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    Looks great – glad to see at least one person found the Magnet Re-seal DIY useful What sealant did you use inside them?


    All very nice work indeed Sir! It looks like your cam covers are bare metal though - or is this an optical illusion?

    Yes thanks again, followed your DIY and it was spot on. I used a Würth RTV called "Super RTV Plus". It can withstand 260 degrees Celsius continuesly, and up to 300 degrees Celsius for shorter durations.

    Yes the cam covers are bare metal, that's why they are so hard to keep clean. Everything sticks to them like crazy. The covers on my dads 500E are painted, a quick wipe and they look good.
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    Ok, round 2.

    Started the evening with replacing the vacuum hoses for the right front side of the engine. Removed the "harness" to replace the hoses, I'm reusing the insulation since there's nothing wrong with it. I just cleaned it off, then removed the hoses, cut new lengths and color coded them with a marker pen.

    Before:
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    After:
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    Installed in the car:
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    Next thing, route the plug wires, that's always so fun. But today I made a discovery. The guide plastic slots are numbered, and even tells you in which order to route the cables. So on this end on the left side, there's numbers 8 to 5:

    2017-08-17 21.13.44.jpg

    And here on the left side you can see (poor picture, but it's there) that in the upper channel goes from the bottom Z (coil wire) 5 and 3, in the lower channel goes 8 and 2. These little markings are on every channel and crossing. I followed it and it worked perfect!

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    Here's the result, pretty neat. It took maybe 15 minutes.

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    Next, injectors and fuel rail.

    2017-08-17 22.18.13.jpg

    So after some fiddling I got them all properly seated and the fuel rail on. Began attaching some of the electricals and the harness. But now it's time for sleep, so this is where I ended tonight:

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    Tomorrow I'll finish it! Just some minor refitting to be completed, then an oil and filter exchange, and new coolant! Happy days!
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    Good work, Dollar !!

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    Job completed today!

    Here it is, done and dusted! The filter box look so gray and matte, but it's just the camera and my headlamp.

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    Unfortunately it's developed a nasty misfire/stutter/stumble. Almost like it won't fire on all cylinders. So I started out with the obvious;


    1. Checked rotors, insulators and caps, even swapped with a known good set of rotors and caps
    2. Checked that I plugged all spark plug wires correct, and that they where seated properly, measured nr. 6 and 7 since the plugs on them where a bit wet
    3. Checked that I connected all vacuum tubes (correct)
    4. Removed all spark plugs, nr. 6 and 7 where a bit wet, the others are fine. I'll replace all of them regardless
    5. Checked that the injectors are seated properly


    To-dos for the following days:


    1. Read codes, reset them and reset adaptation
    2. Install new spark plugs
    3. Test MAF
    4. Test coils
    5. Swap to my spare EZL
    6. Check the FPR for gasoline smell


    Maybes:


    • Bite the bullet and get a new plug wire set, I still run the original ones. Don't think they're the problem here, but I wanna replace them anyway. Beru still the preferred sensible option?
    • Replace the FPR


    The fun continues.

    Any other ideas are most welcome! The coils are almost new, as is the CPS. Any other things I should troubleshoot? I'm NOT giving up this time, I am going to light up those Michelins in the very near future!
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    Thomas, if plugs 6+7 were not clean and dry, those cylinders are suspect. It would help if you could pinpoint the exact cylinders misfiring; if they are all from the same distributor cap that points you in the general direction. It isn't likely the old plug wires died while not in use, but yes, Beru is still a good/sensible option for replacements (likely much less than OE/dealer wires).


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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Thomas, if plugs 6+7 were not clean and dry, those cylinders are suspect. It would help if you could pinpoint the exact cylinders misfiring; if they are all from the same distributor cap that points you in the general direction. It isn't likely the old plug wires died while not in use, but yes, Beru is still a good/sensible option for replacements (likely much less than OE/dealer wires).

    Thanks buddy, something like that I'm thinking too. Both 6 and 7 resides on the right distributor. Both wires measured around 2.2 kOhm so they should be ok. Maybe the spark plugs are borked? I'll get new ones on Monday anyways.

    I inspected the insulator cap carefully, and while it is worn on the surface, I cant see any hairline cracks or any other damage. I also tested with a good known rotor and distributor cap, exactly the same.

    I've wiped the 6 and 7 plugs clean, and have run the engine for five minutes, I'll re-check the plugs during the weekend to see if they're still dry, or wet again.
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    Did you make sure to connect the vacuum line that goes from the EZL to the back of the intake manifold area?
    Is the misfire stronger, the same, or a bit weaker than before the intake manifold re-gasketing and hopefully that solves my issue.

    A slight stumble was fixed with new caps and rotors.
    It was more of an idle hunt, but it was do to bad spark.

    What I am thinking is that maybe you have a fuel pressure issue either with the FPR or somewhere from the Fuel Pumps or related parts.

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    I never had issue with insulator micro cracks.
    My car ran fine one with more than micro-cracks so long as the backs were dry.
    Spray the backs of the insulators with some sort of sealer if you have micro-cracks if you are worried about them.
    I would invest in new caps and rotors.

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    Thomas, You did Everything, I would suggest, change back to what was Before, i.e. when and if the motar was running well and good.

    Are You sure about the "rebuilt injectors"? When I did the E60 LH change, the motor had been sitting at rest for several years, almost 10...
    Everything in Place and renewed, ign. hooses etc. The damn thing would not start, double, trouble check, no start, at last I did change the
    injector assy. from the 5liter, guess what? every injector had stuck alas no fuel.... I still have the old ones in Place, are you sure
    they are not leaking where the problem occures?

    It's often more than once, we have been "Barking up the wrong tree" like changing caps rotors plugs a few times
    befor finding a not so obvious fault, the ign. isn't allways to blame....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxi Driver View Post
    It's often more than once, we have been "Barking up the wrong tree" like changing caps rotors plugs a few times
    befor finding a not so obvious fault, the ign. isn't allways to blame....
    This is a good point. Injectors are a possible issue... unlikely, but possible. If you can pin down which cylinders are not firing (possibly by disconnecting one injector at a time at idle, and seeing which do not make the idle worse) you could try swapping the injectors from the bad/misfiring cylinders to a different location, and see if the problem moves or remains on the same cylinders. This is a LOT of work though.

    If the car had been running fine with the existing caps/rotors before you started the project, I wouldn't spend $$$ on new ones just yet; besides you already tried a different set and it made no difference so I don't think that's the root cause of your current mystery.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    This is a good point. Injectors are a possible issue... unlikely, but possible. If you can pin down which cylinders are not firing (possibly by disconnecting one injector at a time at idle, and seeing which do not make the idle worse) you could try swapping the injectors from the bad/misfiring cylinders to a different location, and see if the problem moves or remains on the same cylinders. This is a LOT of work though.

    If the car had been running fine with the existing caps/rotors before you started the project, I wouldn't spend $$$ on new ones just yet; besides you already tried a different set and it made no difference so I don't think that's the root cause of your current mystery.

    If I remember it correctly, were the injectors not said to be reconditioned? By who and how did they perform that operation? If one or two do not
    Close fully, this would be the result, put back the old ones as the first measure...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxi Driver View Post
    If I remember it correctly, were the injectors not said to be reconditioned? By who and how did they perform that operation? If one or two do not
    Close fully, this would be the result, put back the old ones as the first measure...
    From post #124:

    So today I stripped my injectors of all o-rings, filters and pintle caps. They've recently been cleaned professionally, so I'm just replacing the o-rings, filters and pintle caps. Also I've cleaned them on the outside to remove all the dirt there, sprayed them with electronic cleaner afterwards. Ordered a set of above mentioned parts for the injectors, I'll rebuild them as soon as they arrive.
    It wasn't clear if the injectors were professionally cleaned and then put back into the car for a while before the teardown, or if the injectors have not been used since the cleaning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevester 500E View Post
    Did you make sure to connect the vacuum line that goes from the EZL to the back of the intake manifold area?
    Is the misfire stronger, the same, or a bit weaker than before the intake manifold re-gasketing and hopefully that solves my issue.

    A slight stumble was fixed with new caps and rotors.
    It was more of an idle hunt, but it was do to bad spark.

    What I am thinking is that maybe you have a fuel pressure issue either with the FPR or somewhere from the Fuel Pumps or related parts.
    Yes the vacuum line is connected from EZL to intake manifold, I even triple checked it yesterday.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stevester 500E View Post
    I never had issue with insulator micro cracks.
    My car ran fine one with more than micro-cracks so long as the backs were dry.
    Spray the backs of the insulators with some sort of sealer if you have micro-cracks if you are worried about them.
    I would invest in new caps and rotors.
    I have tried with another set of caps and rotors that I know are good. No difference at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taxi Driver View Post
    Thomas, You did Everything, I would suggest, change back to what was Before, i.e. when and if the motar was running well and good.

    Are You sure about the "rebuilt injectors"? When I did the E60 LH change, the motor had been sitting at rest for several years, almost 10...
    Everything in Place and renewed, ign. hooses etc. The damn thing would not start, double, trouble check, no start, at last I did change the
    injector assy. from the 5liter, guess what? every injector had stuck alas no fuel.... I still have the old ones in Place, are you sure
    they are not leaking where the problem occures?

    It's often more than once, we have been "Barking up the wrong tree" like changing caps rotors plugs a few times
    befor finding a not so obvious fault, the ign. isn't allways to blame....
    I agree Roger, I don't think it's the rotors/caps either, but I tend to always check them when such problems as this arises. Just to be sure...

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    This is a good point. Injectors are a possible issue... unlikely, but possible. If you can pin down which cylinders are not firing (possibly by disconnecting one injector at a time at idle, and seeing which do not make the idle worse) you could try swapping the injectors from the bad/misfiring cylinders to a different location, and see if the problem moves or remains on the same cylinders. This is a LOT of work though.

    If the car had been running fine with the existing caps/rotors before you started the project, I wouldn't spend $$$ on new ones just yet; besides you already tried a different set and it made no difference so I don't think that's the root cause of your current mystery.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taxi Driver View Post
    If I remember it correctly, were the injectors not said to be reconditioned? By who and how did they perform that operation? If one or two do not
    Close fully, this would be the result, put back the old ones as the first measure...
    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
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    It wasn't clear if the injectors were professionally cleaned and then put back into the car for a while before the teardown, or if the injectors have not been used since the cleaning.

    Here's the deal with my injectors. I have two sets. First set is the original set that sat on the car, that I removed for the set I have now. There is nothing wrong with them more than that they are very dirty and have small rust spots on them.
    Then the second set, which I got professionally refurbished (tested, cleaned, and refitted with new filters, pintle caps, rings and o-rings. I fitted them to the car a few years back.

    Now when I started this job, I thought I might as well replace the filters, o-rings, rings and pintle caps again, since I have them out of the engine bay anyway. So that's whats been done to them. They have not been professionally cleaned again, just washed lightly outside and then filters/rings etc replaced with new.

    Maybe I should just use the old original ones? They will need new o-rings and filters though, apart from that they are just stored in my garage, I only cleaned them off externally and removed the old o-rings etc.
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    Maybe I should just use the old original ones? They will need new o-rings and filters though, apart from that they are just stored in my garage, I only cleaned them off externally and removed the old o-rings etc."
    Thats a good idea, you never know if you have not see them, spray and checked for pressure, what else could "wet" the plugs
    if not G forbid, something worse have happened,. If it does not fire thouse two cylinders you must have noticed?

    An air leak should have shown the opposite and an oil leak I do not belive in, so give the injectors a good look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxi Driver View Post
    Maybe I should just use the old original ones? They will need new o-rings and filters though, apart from that they are just stored in my garage, I only cleaned them off externally and removed the old o-rings etc."

    Thats a good idea, you never know if you have not see them, spray and checked for pressure, what else could "wet" the plugs
    if not G forbid, something worse have happened,. If it does not fire thouse two cylinders you must have noticed?

    An air leak should have shown the opposite and an oil leak I do not belive in, so give the injectors a good look.
    Yes I'll sort the old ones out and fit them. Maybe the faulty injectors (if they turn out to be...) are a contributing factor to why my car wont pass emissions, if they leak fuel that would explain it. I have over the last few years have had problems with rough running sometimes (but not as this, where I clearly hear that the engine is not firing on one or two cylinders), and almost always looked elsewhere for troubleshooting and replacing other parts, that usually solved the problem for a while. But the car has not passed emissions since 2013 due to high HC levels.
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    Reassembling the intake manifold and plenum, with ETA and MAF:

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    i would definetly turn around those big hose clamps on the MAF sensor..the other way around..so you can unscrew them...if needed.. WHEN back in the car..But other than that...awesome "build".It left me with a sense that i NEED to do the same ...and to be honest..ive been wanting to do this to my car,,for aloooooong time.so thank you
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    i would definetly turn around those big hose clamps on the MAF sensor..the other way around..so you can unscrew them...if needed.. WHEN back in the car..
    Too late
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    Yes I'll sort the old ones out and fit them. Maybe the faulty injectors (if they turn out to be...) are a contributing factor to why my car wont pass emissions, if they leak fuel that would explain it. I have over the last few years have had problems with rough running sometimes (but not as this, where I clearly hear that the engine is not firing on one or two cylinders), and almost always looked elsewhere for troubleshooting and replacing other parts, that usually solved the problem for a while. But the car has not passed emissions since 2013 due to high HC levels.
    You talk about the caps & rotors but what about the insulating / suppressor plates behind the rotor arm!? Those are a primary potential cause for misfiring. Maybe I missed where you mentioned those - just checking
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    You talk about the caps & rotors but what about the insulating / suppressor plates behind the rotor arm!? Those are a primary potential cause for misfiring. Maybe I missed where you mentioned those - just checking
    I've looked at them, and they seem ok. Not replaced them though, and they are the original ones. There's a picture further up in this thread. I appreciate the thought buddy!
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    Went to the garage yesterday and tested the MAF just to rule it out. Removed the injectors from the car, I'm getting quite fast with this job nowadays. So when I came home I ordered new o-rings etc for the old injectors. Now I'm waiting for delivery of the service kit for the injectors.

    I will probably order a new FPR just for the sake of it, I couldn't detect any fuel smell from the vacuum hose. But they're not expensive and the one I have is probably the original one, so I guess it wont hurt. I've also ordered new spark plugs.
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    Too late
    I inspected my hose clamps the other day, I don't see how there should be any trouble removing them as they are now when everything is in place? There's about the same room this way as the other. Of course if I would try to get down there with a hose clamp screwdriver it would be tight, but I have more precise tools at hand. Or am I missing something here?
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    I was browsing through this thread for the first time and looked at the tow hitch installation. I noticed the control light you put besides the light switch. I have the same kind of Oris tow hitch on my 300E-24, it has some afterwards installed light on the exact same position, but I have never seen it lit. Even though I've been using the tow hitch couple of times and all the electrics seem to work. So I am just wondering what's the purpose of the control light?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heksi View Post
    I was browsing through this thread for the first time and looked at the tow hitch installation. I noticed the control light you put besides the light switch. I have the same kind of Oris tow hitch on my 300E-24, it has some afterwards installed light on the exact same position, but I have never seen it lit. Even though I've been using the tow hitch couple of times and all the electrics seem to work. So I am just wondering what's the purpose of the control light?
    I used an aftermarket harness from Jaeger for the tow hitch, rather than the original. Also I opted for a 13 pin power outlet instead of the factory/old 7 pin. I later changed the placement of the control light to a free spot in the instrument cluster.

    To answer your question, I don't remember if the light lights as an "everythings ok alarm" or that it blinks with the indicators. I haven't used it yet...

    If you have the original harness to the tow hitch, there was never any such light from Mercedes. So it can be for a number of things (alarm, immobilizer, tow hitch etc not fitted by Mercedes).
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    Alright, since there is no immobilizer or alarm, the light in my car might be part of the old telephone installations, who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doolar View Post
    I inspected my hose clamps the other day, I don't see how there should be any trouble removing them as they are now when everything is in place? There's about the same room this way as the other. Of course if I would try to get down there with a hose clamp screwdriver it would be tight, but I have more precise tools at hand. Or am I missing something here?

    to be honest mate..i have not done this " job" myself..or..i havent tried to take out the MAF sensor..but it was just on the top of my head..that the clamps were "supposed" to be fastened the other way around...to actually GET to them..but yes..tight space indeed.
    it just didnt seem to be possible to loosen them the way you showed in the pictures.But i may be wrong of course.
    But AAANYWAYS.. i love the work
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    I didn't know this was available still, but it was. I forgot to order the harness for the Hella power plug, so I put in an order for that today.

    p/n A 124 846 00 69 Ablagefach/Pidgeonhole. Price $36
    p/n A 202 820 00 51 Steckdose/Harness. Price don't know yet

    I haven't decided if I really want this in my car, it's not that great looking. Plus I'm still maybe putting oil and trans temp gauges where the ashtray goes. But I'll fit it and see how it looks and if I like it. More storage space is always good!
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    First off. Awesome awesome thread. I love the color! I also appreciate how stealth you made your hitch install. There is nothing sadder to me than to see a passenger car tootling down the road with an unused hitch sticking out the back end. Mostly because they are usually after market add-ons that are installed with a hack job into the rear frame. Not you sir! You did it proper! Great Job!

    Question(s): What spring pads did you end up using with your sportline spring install? The original standard suspension ones (13mm IIRC) or the sportline ones (8mm?). Also... your monoblocks... what were the specs for those (Diameter & ET)? Did you have any issues with them rubbing with your sportline set-up installed?

    Is your new toy the ashtray replacement with power port? I just saw a video with one of those installed last night. I wasn't a fan, but you're right, you can never have too many bins!

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    Quote Originally Posted by a777fan View Post
    First off. Awesome awesome thread. I love the color! I also appreciate how stealth you made your hitch install. There is nothing sadder to me than to see a passenger car tootling down the road with an unused hitch sticking out the back end. Mostly because they are usually after market add-ons that are installed with a hack job into the rear frame. Not you sir! You did it proper! Great Job!

    Question(s): What spring pads did you end up using with your sportline spring install? The original standard suspension ones (13mm IIRC) or the sportline ones (8mm?). Also... your monoblocks... what were the specs for those (Diameter & ET)? Did you have any issues with them rubbing with your sportline set-up installed?

    Is your new toy the ashtray replacement with power port? I just saw a video with one of those installed last night. I wasn't a fan, but you're right, you can never have too many bins!

    TIA

    Thanks for the appreciation! The Mercedes/Oris factory hitch install on the facelift cars are really well hidden, and a nice piece of engineering. That's the reason I wanted it, I rarely tow anything. Silly, but I'm a sucker for these thought thru Mercedes options of the era, useful to me or not.

    I ended up using the thinnest pads, and even with them the car is high above ground. But my car stands like they do in all the original sales brochures in my collection, they are (where) set high. It's come down quite a bit now after the springs settled in. No issues with rubbing. I've widened the front fenders with the AMG plastic puck things, but I don't think it's needed with the correct wheels and offset. The Sportline springs are not short and they don't slam the car to the ground exactly.

    The monoblocks where unfortunately stolen, and I had the unicorn one's (W124 stamped in 17" 7,5" wide with ET42), they are really rare, and was bought with the car from the dealer. I'm watching out for used ones all the time, ready to pull the trigger when they emerge.

    The wheels I have on now are a W203 rim, it's a staggered set, 7,5" wide front and 8,5" wide rear. ET up front is 37 and rear 34, all in 17". No rubbing, although the rears protrude just a tiny bit to much for my liking. Once I find the monoblocks I so much desire, I'll sell this set. It will look great on any 124 with stretched tires in the rear.

    Yea it's the ashtray replacement thingy. I'll test it out and see how I like it, I'm not so sure about how I'll like the black hole between all the wood. And it's really shallow, not made to fit a modern smartphone. A pack of smokes would ironically fit there perfectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doolar View Post
    Thanks for the appreciation! The Mercedes/Oris factory hitch install on the facelift cars are really well hidden, and a nice piece of engineering. That's the reason I wanted it, I rarely tow anything. Silly, but I'm a sucker for these thought thru Mercedes options of the era, useful to me or not.

    I ended up using the thinnest pads, and even with them the car is high above ground. But my car stands like they do in all the original sales brochures in my collection, they are (where) set high. It's come down quite a bit now after the springs settled in. No issues with rubbing. I've widened the front fenders with the AMG plastic puck things, but I don't think it's needed with the correct wheels and offset. The Sportline springs are not short and they don't slam the car to the ground exactly.

    The monoblocks where unfortunately stolen, and I had the unicorn one's (W124 stamped in 17" 7,5" wide with ET42), they are really rare, and was bought with the car from the dealer. I'm watching out for used ones all the time, ready to pull the trigger when they emerge.

    The wheels I have on now are a W203 rim, it's a staggered set, 7,5" wide front and 8,5" wide rear. ET up front is 37 and rear 34, all in 17". No rubbing, although the rears protrude just a tiny bit to much for my liking. Once I find the monoblocks I so much desire, I'll sell this set. It will look great on any 124 with stretched tires in the rear.

    Yea it's the ashtray replacement thingy. I'll test it out and see how I like it, I'm not so sure about how I'll like the black hole between all the wood. And it's really shallow, not made to fit a modern smartphone. A pack of smokes would ironically fit there perfectly.

    Thanks for confirming my suspicion that the W124 Monos are rare. I have yet to see a set of the 7.5 ET 42, and now I know why! Blast. I too want my ride on a set of them.

    Funny about the pack of smokes. The video indicated that it was originally an option for the taxi version. That would make sense!

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