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    400E projects

    Hello people,

    I want to share some projects i have done on my 400E to the forum. I own my 400E for almost a year and have done a few repair and maintenance jobs. Some of them with help info from this forum. Most of the work is also aplicable to the 500E and E500.
    I am not a experianced car mechanic and have never done any of the jobs before. But taking time and get the right info works fine for me. This is the car i am talking about:

    1993 400E
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    200.000 km


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    Re: 400E projects

    Hakie,

    It looks like you found a nice 400E and have put the finishing touches on it. Keep after it.

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    Thanks Terry! To be honest i wanted to sell it but only because i like to have a 500.. Who knows what the future brings. . I just continue upgrading and take care of it.

    The first job i had to do was changing the caps, rotors and plugs.
    When i bought it i could nearly take her home because the engine stopped at almost every stop i made. It was part of the deal. I gambled buying the car with no inspection and no testdrive. I did already know of the common problems with the M119. The price i payed was a bargain.


    After i changed the caps, rotors and plugs the car ran as soft as silk.

    Did not really needed to change the plugs but i did so because i wanted to inspect them anyway.
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    Your old spark plugs look perfect! (And the car looks fantastic, btw.)

    What type of new plugs did you purchase? I can't quite tell from the pictures but they look like they might be resistor / fine-wire type, which is not good...


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    I am almost sure that they are the non-R type. (No resistor) I have to check that. It was last summer . Thanks for the tip!

    Edit: I bought the plugs, rotors and caps as a pakage from eBay. The plugs are Bosch F8DC4, that should be ok?
    My second car is the W201 2.6 witch also need the non resistor spark plugs. I know the reason why it needs to be the non -R type. It must have been in my mind at the time, but i am now sure that it's ok.
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    Re: 400E projects

    Yes, Bosch F8DC4 is correct - probably just the photo that was throwing me off. Although your old plugs look so good you could probably save them for re-use!


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    Did you change your seats or they came with the car?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 126v8 View Post
    Did you change your seats or they came with the car?
    No they came with the car. The sportline model has the same seats as the 500E. The rear seat is different -but also nice- like on this picture:



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    Really nice.All you need is a 5.0 engine......

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    Beautiful car. I'm jealous, Sportline wasn't an option on the 400E/E420 here in the US.

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    The next thing i had to do was check the rear suspention. Pushing the rear of the car down gave a strange noise. Driving at higher speed was not as comfortable as it should be. I felt insecure in the car. Something must be wrong. I saw that the rear shocks still could be the original so i decided to install new ones. I also bought for the front struts the rubber moulding? (Dont now the name in english). One had a crack so i replaced both sides. And i replaced the steering damper.
    When i removed the rear shocks i saw the reason of the strange noise. One spring was broken at 2 places. So i also installed 2 new sportline rear springs. Hopefully that solved the problem.
    Broken rear springs are hard to identify. A small mirror can is usefull to inspect the springs.


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    Re: 400E projects

    That's weird about that broken spring! Never have seen that before.

    Your car should ride pretty close to new now with new struts and rear springs.

    I notice that your car does not have any rust on the old spring or the control arm. It is unusual for cars in your neck of the woods not to be rusty on the underside. Must have been kept out of the snow.

    Keep up the good work.
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    wow on the spring! If it had to happen glad it was the rear, must have been a mighty pothole when that happened by the PO.
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    Re: 400E projects

    For the forum- why does the limiter look different on the top of the strut? Is this a Sportline feature?


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    Quote Originally Posted by samiam44 View Post
    For the forum- why does the limiter look different on the top of the strut? Is this a Sportline feature?


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    No, Michael, nothing to do with the Sportline suspension. The replacement is not a MB OE part, and/or it may be altogether the wrong part.
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    The upper strut mount shown is Meyle "HD", and it does look different than the OE mount.

    The foam strut stop buffer (travel limiter) appears to be factory, and should be correct for the car assuming it is p/n 129-323-07-44.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryA View Post
    That's weird about that broken spring! Never have seen that before.
    Are you serious?
    Mercedes benz"s from this era is notorius for broken springs..or Mercedes in general.i have replaced so many mercedes rear springs i cant even count them

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowman View Post
    Are you serious?
    Mercedes benz"s from this era is notorius for broken springs..or Mercedes in general.i have replaced so many mercedes rear springs i cant even count them
    Indeed, it is extremely common on cars that have been driven in cold icy climates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowman View Post
    Are you serious?
    Mercedes benz"s from this era is notorius for broken springs..or Mercedes in general.i have replaced so many mercedes rear springs i cant even count them
    The broken spring ends are more common when the cars are driven in winter/snow/ice. Mercedes in the warm, dry climate of southern/western USA almost never, ever have broken spring ends. It's slightly more common in the northern/eastern USA but still not something we hear about often. Not sure why it happens more over in Europe...


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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    The broken spring ends are more common when the cars are driven in winter/snow/ice. Mercedes in the warm, dry climate of southern/western USA almost never, ever have broken spring ends. It's slightly more common in the northern/eastern USA but still not something we hear about often. Not sure why it happens more over in Europe...

    My guess is different thawing chemical choices and application levels depending on the region of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klink View Post
    My guess is different thawing chemical choices and application levels depending on the region of the world.
    I was thinking the same thing. I don't know what they use for de-icing roads across the pond.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    The upper strut mount shown is Meyle "HD", and it does look different than the OE mount.

    The foam strut stop buffer (travel limiter) appears to be factory, and should be correct for the car assuming it is p/n 129-323-07-44.

    Indeed gsxr, the strut stop buffer is the sportline buffer with that partnummer. In de meanwhile i also changed the front struts en stop buffers for original new ones. But i will show that in a while in another project-report.

    About the broken rear springs: maybe another reason is the bumpy roads we have here. In the 10 - 50 mph zones the goverment build thousends of bumps to limit speeding. They are a pain for the suspension. And maybe also the combination of rust and salt.
    Broken springs are very common here.

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    The previous owner had done a large list of maintenance in the 8 years he owned the car. All at mercedes garages. I inspected the car step by step and found more issues, offcourse.
    I found little rust on the fenders but i saw that the front springs were new. The PO also did the upper harness.

    Together with the steering damper i replaced the steering rod's and the stabiliser bushings. After that it gave me a better feel handling the car, but not good enough. But i will get it right.

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    Re: 400E projects

    Sidestep:

    Last oktober i saw this W210 E420 on the german market. (Mobile.de).
    It was a one owner car. A 92 y/o man drove it in a pole or something. Only 122.000 km and with little rust on the fenders and a few other spots. The interieur is like new. Leather, full options. I bought it unseen as a project and let deliver by ambulance to my place. Never fixed a car with damage but it turned out ok and i drive it now for a few months. Drive quality is perfect, like new. In fact much better than the W124 400, but i dont like the model that much. So i will restore the W124 as good as possible and will keep it. I will try to sell the W210 in a few months and find me another project car.

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    Nice work!
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    Ahhh much better than last W210 thread. Nice to see one getting some love. On that note nice example

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    The 400E did nearly pass the last emission test. We had to drive the engine hot before it passed. One of the cat's is broken inside. I have a few months to fix this but decided to disassemble the cat's from the car first. (I have the W210 as DD). The plan is to weld 2 new cat's to the exaust.
    I have loosen all the bolts. But the O2 sensor is still connected. Can i disconnect the sensor connector from under the car or is there an other connector on the RH side of the tunnel, just as my 190E?
    I looks like a connector under the car though..



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    The connector is on the underside of the body.twist to unlock. I'd leave the o2 in.
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    Thanks Raffaelli, i will do that tomorrow and make pic's. It is getting dark soon here.

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    The exaust part with the catalysts is out. I left the part with the mufflers under the car so i hope its not to hard to get it together again. I also have to order new bolts and rubber hangers first. No hurry, first the catalysts. I was thinking to buy 2 magnaflow cat's and i read about 100 cell and 200 cell. Witch one should i buy?

    here are some pics and a video of the inside catalyst. When i shake it i can hear the loose material inside. Also not hard to see on the vid.

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    While the exaust is from the car i took time to disassemble the bolt and rubber at the steering arm. (Don't know the exact name). [Admin edit - these are the idler arm bushings.] I already ordered the part with the new front struts. A tuning company will weld new catalyst on the exaust next week or so.

    On eBay i found a used lower wiring harness. I bought it with the idea of re-wire it and than exchange it with the one on my car, if i was happy with the quality. (My dealer told me the harness was NLA).
    With disconnecting the old harness i broke the head of a screw from the starter. Oops.. So i also took the starter from the car. The rebuild harness is mounted again. With the exaust and starter from the car its not too hard to do. The hardest part was the small contact at the alternator. Very hard to reach because of the oil cooler pipes.


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    It is VERY important that folks use MB OE idler arm bushings, rather than aftermarket bushings. Many years ago (before I was so conscious about parts quality) I had an aftermarket (Meyle) idler arm bushing set installed on one of my cars, and it failed from the get-go. A factory set (replaced for free by the indy shop) solved the problem immediately. The E500E idler arm bushing set is not that cheap, but it's definitely a part that I wouldn't go aftermarket on.

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    Agree, i bought it from the dealer. it costs approx 65 euro.
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    While i am working under the car with the exaust removed, i also want to remove the aluminium heatshield located at the catalysts. Unfortunately i broke one nut that holds it in place and i think the other 5 will break too. Is there an alternative way to get the shield mounted again? Can i drill holes at the same spots and fix it with screws?
    I want to check the state of the bearing and treat the rusted area.

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    The new cat's are welded. Looks fine imo., with the exaust removed i checked the driveshaft and removed it also. I changed the bearing and dust cover in the middle for a new.
    While i'm in there i also replaced the shifter bushing. A worn out bushing causes play in the shifter knob. This bushing is hard to reach with the driveshaft and exaust mounted.
    Next step is to replace the engine mounts.
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    This is the way to put the driveshaft together:
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    There are TWO bushings, not just one. You should replace both while you are in there. There is a HOW-TO on this in that section.


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    Thanks Gerry, i didn't know about the other one. I found the How-To. I will replace the other one too.

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    Thanks Gerry, i located the other bushing. That one is a bit easyer to do i guess.

    But i need some advice here.. I need to jack up the motor to get more room at the motor mounts. I already read a guide from this forum on how to do this (pita) job. What i need to know is where i can place the Jack. I think the edge of the oil pan is ok like on the picture? How high can i raise the engine? I dont want to damage anything. Can i get more room to the 4 bolts of each mount by lifting it higher?
    The top bolt is hard to reach, but the 4 bolt on the side of the mount are also pain.
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    Hope you can give suggestions.

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    Most folks place a wide board underneath the oilpan to spread the forces for lifting the engine. Edge of the oilpan as you are showing is probably not a bad idea, because it places the lifting forces directly on the bottom of the block rather than on the steel lower oilpan (which can bend). Personally, I have just used a wide board on the bottom of the oilpan, and never had any problems.

    Others can say for sure, but I don't think I'd lift the engine up more than about 3-4 cm (1-1.5 inches). That should give you enough room to do what you need to. Good luck. I've replaced motor mounts on my M117 and former M104 with no issue, but have not done this job on my E500 ... I had a shop do it about 10-11 years ago when the car was fairly new to me.

    Good luck !!

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    You also need to remove the upper half of the plastic fan shroud, or at least remove the clips and lay the shroud on the fan. This is because the fan may hit the shroud when you lift the engine. This is step #2 in the FSM procedure.

    Be careful when lifting, when the engine stops going upward, look for what is preventing it from moving. You don't want to break anything! Only lift it enough to get the mount in & out (which generally requires quite a bit of lift, the new mounts may be 0.5-1.0 inch taller than old/collapsed mounts).

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    Thanks gsxr, i did not pay attention to the fan.. I wil take care of that when i do the other side. Did not break anything yet. .
    Just when i was about to quit the job and leave the old mounts in i tried one more option to loosen the bolts of the mount arm on the passenger side. It came loose. I managed to lift the engine enough to turn the mount en loosen the top bolt with a long wrench. (That is also a pain).
    The new engine mount is in place and all the bolts are in place and locked except the lower 2 because i have to do the driver side. Also one bolt on that side is hard to reach.
    The old mount is about a half inch collapsed compared to the new.
    It is definitly not a fun job.. It took me more than 6 hours already. (No experience) Later this week i'll do another attempt for the driver side. No way back now.

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    Driver side is also done. Getting the hang of it. . Took "only" 4 hours instead of yesterdays 6 hours. The final 4 bottom bolts are also not so nice. I had to move the whole engine a little forward to align the holes with the engine mounts. I managed that with a piece of wood behind the tranny. It only needed a 1/8" to get the bolts in. Time flies when having fun.
    Also gave the fan some room this time by removing the clips and pulled the cover up. Drivers side needed more engine lift to turn the new mount in place because there are oil cooler pipes there.
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    Thank you for the photos and updates. Very helpful !!


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    That is the least i can do for all the info i get here Gerry, i thank you too!

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    JC220 encouraged me to check the duo-valve in the car. Thanks for that post @JC220.
    I had troubles with the heater also. Temperature was not stable and at start raises skyhigh. Bloody hot when using the heater at normal temp.
    Nothing was stucked the cooland was ok. So i decided to re-solder the 3 contacts of the coils. After installation of the top part and a test drive the heater responds ok! Smooth temperature setting and stable. Another problem fixed! If you drain about a liter coolant you can remove the coils and leave the bottom part with the hose connectors on the car, without having spilled a drop of coolant.
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    After a very long search and doubts i have a 99% agreement on buying this E500. When the time is right i can make my owner topic.
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    Fingers crossed.

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    Looks very nice. I hope you get it so we can see some more pictures.

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    Thanks! In fact the deal is done but i am on holyday now in Asia. I had the test drive and inspection a few weeks ago. Something came up so that's why the buy is only confirmed by whatsapp. . I have to wait till the end of april, when i get home. The car is German, at 2 hours drive. Hopefully the full story soon.

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    Yesterday the seller brought me car to my place, so i am proud owner of a 1994 E500. The car came with an extra set of brabus wheels. I bought the car with small richt front damage. I will make my owner topic soon then you get more details.

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    congrats! very nice condition. that front damage looks minimal. Love those Brabus wheels they look awesome!
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    Got the LH unit with WOT enrichment today from Gerry. So the 400E has a little more horses when needed. . Good to have a spare unit also.
    Thanks Gerry!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hakie View Post
    Got the LH unit with WOT enrichment today from Gerry. So the 400E has a little more horses when needed. . Good to have a spare unit also.
    Thanks Gerry!
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    Glad she arrived OK !! I saw via the tracking that it had entered the NL as of late last week. I sent the package on May 16th.

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    Yes it took some time but no problem about that. I could track the pakkage and they delivered it to my door totday.

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