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    Tonnes planned it seems! Lots of resource on this website to get a majority of that done. Still in London at the moment so have been driving the beasty non stop recently. I replaced my caps/arms with MB parts and she has been purring beautifully since. Just gave her an oil change and she is running perfect - I am going to try the GTX Magentic oil next time, I currently use Shell Helix. I have one of the E500 headlight lenses if you're interested? It is for LHD market though but a spare i'd be willing to move on. I too have the ASR defeat kit sitting around and hope to rebuild my entire suspension in a similar vein to you. I just picked up both 400E and 500E H&R kits so with the right Bilstein B8s and the correct spring bumps I will be happy with the suspension.

    My steering box recently died so a member off here in the US is sending me the one out of his 53k mile 500E - that will be replaced week after next. I will then be off to Dubai hopefully so will park her away for a while.
    Yes this site is great- itís giving me too many ideas of what I can upgrade / restore next


    Thanks for the offer on the E500 headlamp lense- problem is my entire headlamps are incorrect. The E500 ones have the chrome inners Ė mine donít. So I will buy a pair of new MB RHD suited E500 lamps soon.


    Yes I used Shell Helix this time around but would also consider Magnatec since itís more readily available here. I had to mail order the Shell Helix from OPIE Oils in England.


    As for the suspension renewal- if you havenít seen it already you should check out the E36 build I have-

    http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w124...g-project.html


    Itís a lengthy thread for sure but all is detailed in there on the suspension work. I kid you not- every single nut & bolt under that car is brand new. Using OE quality parts like Lemforder it cost alot less than you think & once thatís done itís like having a new w124!


    I will do the exact same to the 500E but I have both my garages stuffed at the minute. I am planning an extension to my double garage to include a 3rd bay and proper 2 post lift. This will be where the 500E (And other w124 builds I have planned) will be restored. But this will have to wait to next year to get the bay & lift installed etc. I am fed up crawling around a cold concrete floor!


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    So when continuing with the ASR defeat install I had a chance to take a look for the cause of the power drain


    Remember this still affects the car- I have by-passed the problem with a relay but in any case I would like to find the root of the problem & repair it then remove the relay.


    With the ECU’s out and the wiring exposed- all looks great. All wires have good insulation and no problems at all. I have always suspected the Diagnostic Socket since it had corrosion on it when I first opened up the ECU case and I did try to clean some of that off with contact cleaner and a nylon brush.



    Outrbrinks kindly provided the attached document from his car’s history which made very interesting reading for me. It clearly outlines how the Diag Socket on that car was once faulty and caused exact systems of my car. New Pins & A new Diag Socket casing cured that car.

    Since I have swapped out the Base modules & LH Module for good spares and the problem remained unchanged- they are ruled out. New MB upper & lower harnesses rule out Eco Junk being the reason.



    On my car when reading fault codes the Dia socket can do funky things like power up the Aux fans sometimes when I plug the blink reader into certain spots. So it seems the Diagnostic Socket on my car is now top of the suspect list. Check out the pics attached- corrosion is evident on the plug- particularly the underside. It also looks like it ‘wicks’ between wires.


    I already tried to order the pins & diag plug from Genuine Autoparts but they said it was NLA. (Genuine Autoparts has been wrong before – they told me the intake hoses were also NLA causing shockwaves across forums)


    So I will try to order them from my dealer tomorrow and see what happens. Fingers crossed I can renew the plug & pins. Otherwise a cunning plan to clean them up will be plan B.
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    I got the ASR Defeat install completed today - I mostly followed 2 phasts instructions which were spot on. I used the fader location and kept that plug complete in under the console. As 2phast did, I hooked into the Earth + power there. (& in my case- also the dash illumination wire there too) All DIY’s point to bringing the cables out through the bulkhead then either drilling or cutting a hole in a rubber hose & bringing the harness into the ECU case.

    But I found a much easier & better solution- that same hose that some DIY’s cut into to route the cable actually terminates inside the passenger footwell – pic shows the cable going in there - Highlighted with a red circle. So I simply snaked the loom up through it and it popped out inside the ECU case. All wires are wrapped in Tesa cloth loom tape and tucked behind the dash trim.

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    My install has the ASR off switch illuminating with the dash at night as normal.

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    And any time the switch is pressed it lights up bright RED (Extra LED added inside)

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    For some reason my camera can’t pick up the red colour properly but it’s a Red LED when switch de-pressed.

    I also went ahead and installed the Performance chipped ECU, I have decided to not put the car through a Dyno for fear of damaging something. Besides the Cat Back exhaust & performance chip gains will be minimal if any at all so I’ll just wait until such times as bigger HP mods come along such as the NOS.


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    Well itís been a busy few days! A SLS leak sprung from not 1 but 2 of the SLS return lines in the engine compartment, 2 new hoses fitted and thatís taken care of - now leak free.

    The E60 Springs are re-fitted- 3 bump pads up front this time hopefully it will sit closer to level after that. The springs are like new again Ė thankfully it was only surface rust they are defect free & gleaming now.

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    For the exhaust system I decided to renew the O2 sensor since they donít last forever and it looked original. New 0 258 003 429 Bosch Sensor on itís way.

    The entire exhaust was removed and the old loose rusty heat shields cut off. The catís and pipes were cleaned back to bare metal again before painting with high quality German VHT paint & the front pipes wrapped in Titanium heat wrap. All new mounts and gaskets are on hand for re-install when the new O2 sensor gets here.

    Question Ė just how loud are 500Eís with only the front catís fitted on the exhaust?

    The reason I ask is it seems pointless mounting the original resonator and back box back on since the car will be going in for the custom cat back system in a few days. The garage itís going to is about 30 miles away from my house. Will I get there without being arrested??

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    With stock catalysts, it isn't very loud, but it will be a little boomy in the cabin. Fire it up and see what you think!


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    Thanks Dave Iím itching to start it up- Ill get it running when the o2 sensor arrives supposed to be next Tuesday.


    Then Iíll see what itís like. If itís half reasonable at all Iíll run with it


    The E36 build is just sporting downpipes currently (No catís even)- itís soooo damn loud when started up I think it could be heard idling about at least a mile away!

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    So an update on post #362 above

    I was able to order that Diag plug part number 140 545 00 26 from a MB dealer near me. Genuine Autoparts told me they were NLA- clearly that was incorrect. The MB dealer confirmed stock in Germany. Should have it by next weekend. I will carefully label each wire in the diagnostic plug then pull them all and give the pins a thorough clean with electrical contact cleaner prior to putting them all back into the new housing.

    I figured new pins were a bit pointless and might do more harm than good to the wiring by heating them up for soldering and melting some more of the original sheathing on the diag plug wires. (Since heat is what rapidly degrades the Eco Junk wiring)

    Iíll try bypassing the relay fitted and test the power draw again once the new Diag plug housing is fitted- Iíll report back the findings on that. Fingers crossed the LH ECU stays shut down this time around Ė I see nothing else wrong with any of the wiring at all.

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    Tonight I got the car back onto itís wheels and out for a drive Ė so much better! Those 3 bump pads up front made all the difference Ė that coupled with some fine adjustment to the SLS lever has the car sitting nice & level.


    This was how the car always sat Ė (too low at the front)

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    And now Ė pretty much spot on

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    And now Ė much improved! It looks a little funny still in the pic for some reasonĖ but standing beside the car it looks fantastic Ė sitting just right. Same tyre gap front & rear and the sill looks level.


    Loads more pictures of the work to the exhaust but Iíll wait until the custom work is done next week and update on that then. Running just the factory cat's was quieter than I thought..... but still too loud. So I regrettably refitted the stock resonator & back box until next week!


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    I want your wheels! Car looks great!
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    Thanks 8899Ė I appreciate that!

    It looks like Iíll be driving the 500E in daily use for a few days now. My uber reliable 2007 E220CDI put on all the warning lamps today in spectacular fashion. Battery is good and I swapped it out too Ė but no difference. (It gives the red Battery low symbol on ash along with everything else) In some sort of weird limp mode too Ė I wonít bore you with that too much but...-

    The car has pretty much cut everything off- the ONLY things that function now are-

    Brake Lamps
    Headlamps come on by themselves even if the switch is off
    Wipers
    Aux Fan inside
    Engine.
    Cooling fan runs mad fast all the time and the temp display is pegged at 85c outside. I wish- itís about 12c in our Irish summer! Plus the fuel gauge and odometer are blank.

    Pretty much everything else has totally stopped working. Itís like the car is in some sort of limp mode and the SAM module has cut everything off.

    Bloody modern cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Sigh.... I have a feeling itís not going to be an easy fix. But I ainít going to the dealerís Ė Iíll figure it out should it be the death of me.... or the w211 maybe.

    Good job I got the 500E back in service last night, long live the w124!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC220 View Post
    . My uber reliable 2007 E220CDI put on all the warning lamps today in spectacular fashion. Battery is good and I swapped it out too – but no difference. (It gives the red Battery low symbol on ash along with everything else) In some sort of weird limp mode too – I won’t bore you with that too much but...-


    can almost say for certain it is the generator gone bad.Ive seen some examples also about the data wire to the generator wearing,and breaking.
    But usually when the facelifted cars have this red battery symbol..it is either battery, or generator.OR the "extra"battery.under the right hand side of the windshield.Or on the rear right hand side in the back.

    You should get it diagnosed

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    can almost say for certain it is the generator gone bad.Ive seen some examples also about the data wire to the generator wearing,and breaking.
    But usually when the facelifted cars have this red battery symbol..it is either battery, or generator.OR the "extra"battery.under the right hand side of the windshield.Or on the rear right hand side in the back.

    You should get it diagnosed
    Thanks Lowman for the input I appreciate it. Yes I've been doing lots of reading up and it seems replacing the alternator regulator would be a wise move. It's cheap as chips and can be replaced in situ so I'll order a Bosch one up. Certainly can't hurt anything.

    Unfortunately they only place has Star around here is the main dealers - or at least that's all I know has it anyway. So I'll try the regulator first then go from there. The original battery is on a CTEK charger now on AGM condition mode- it works wonders. I'll put that battery back in tomorrow.

    The car is charging at 14.0volts but that's not to say that the regulator isn't the culprit. I guess it might not be feeding the data back to the car \ throwing a false no charge fault

    Its a facelift w211 so it has no auxilary batt. That threw me off too! In the meantime ill enjoy putting some miles on the 500E
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    HEY again
    If it's charging ,then i would go ahead and check the small extra battery in the car ,this can make the battery light come on ��

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowman View Post
    HEY again
    If it's charging ,then i would go ahead and check the small extra battery in the car ,this can make the battery light come on ��
    Hi Lowman,


    This still has me beat! I checked the car and there is no secondary battery on the facelift w211.


    I read about that online & pulled the cover in the engine bay but nada. On googling it seems the facelift models only have the one main battery


    Vin of the car is WDB2110082B163932


    I’m going to check with my dealer on the part number – I think this is the correct regulator
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/F00M144132-BOSCH-EL-FIELD-REGULATOR-ROTATING-ELECTRICS-NEW-IN-BOX-/381234395567



    My local alternator repair shop is closed until Monday. I can have this new regulator here tomorrow & fit it to the car.


    Hopefully that cures it. I did charge the other battery overnight and put it in this morning – red light on right away again. So it seems the car is getting a False ‘No Charge’ signal for sure. It reads very close to a steady 14.000 Volt or there about when running so it’s charging OK. (+ - 010v)


    Strange for sure

    I’d like to get the w211 on the road again as soon as possible – I don’t like the 500E hanging about car parks at work etc all day where it might get car doors bumped into it!


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    You wrote that your cooling fans run on full power right? That happens if there is a data bus issue and indeed is a safety function in case the engine control unit misses input. Get a star diagnosis hooked up and see what's going on! For sure nothing to do at all with the alternator. Could be an issue with one of the Sam control modules or something else... Also check for water intrusion under the front flor carpets (but the facelift 211 should not face this since there have been some changes to the drainage).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rouven036 View Post
    You wrote that your cooling fans run on full power right? That happens if there is a data bus issue and indeed is a safety function in case the engine control unit misses input. Get a star diagnosis hooked up and see what's going on! For sure nothing to do at all with the alternator. Could be an issue with one of the Sam control modules or something else... Also check for water intrusion under the front flor carpets (but the facelift 211 should not face this since there have been some changes to the drainage).
    Yes the cooling fans run riot all the time whilst the engine is running – cold or warm.


    OK- I’ll see if I can find a specialist who can get the car on Star tomorrow maybe. I know that’s what need’s done really to avoid spending money in the wrong places.


    Funny thing is it logs zero codes on my OB2 code reader....... strange too. But yes Star will be able to read everything in the car so a diagnosis is important so I’ll get it on Star as soon as I can

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    It is not necessary to show faults (in most of cases it will) but there are cases where you will see no faults but some complete systems (control units) just dissappear without other systems claiming anything. But I think in your case something should be shown.
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    Thanks Rouven! Ok, I've phoned a few places and just get (high)hourly rates for Star code reading - plus none are open on a Saturday. With work commitments I cannot bring the car to them during weekdays.


    So I decided to stump up for a full good used Star setup myself - all will be here early next week. Not too bad at £500 inc laptop , cables etc and carry case. (The real deal not Chinese copy)

    I think this will be very useful for me to have anyway since I have 4 Benzes and do all my own work. I always meant to buy it before now just never got around to it. It's a plug and play setup complete with a Dell laptop etc / all cables. Hopefully I can figure out how to get it going. The seller offers full 24hr customer support etc so I should be OK.

    Or if I get stuck maybe you guys won't mind me asking a couple of questions on how to use Star!!

    Besides I can use it on the 500E too - not sure how much more info I can get from a w124 with Star but it has to be better than just blink reading codes. Maybe it'll get me further on the 500E power draw issue when I get back to that.

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    I invested in such equipment long time ago... Its a great help. As a hint, factory given time for a short test by star diagnosis is 0.4hrs only. Of course no further diagnosis but at least to get an idea...
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    you are right..i was abit quick in my statement.
    The facelift does not have the secondary battery
    I think you may have more than one fault here,
    But like mentioned..you should get a diagnostic reading..
    But its quite often the generators wear out on these..or actually not wear out..its like i said the data connector inside the generator that goes.

    But the fans running indicate the car is in limp mode..

    The Sam module rarely goes on these cars,though it does happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowman View Post
    you are right..i was abit quick in my statement.
    The facelift does not have the secondary battery
    I think you may have more than one fault here,
    But like mentioned..you should get a diagnostic reading..
    But its quite often the generators wear out on these..or actually not wear out..its like i said the data connector inside the generator that goes.

    But the fans running indicate the car is in limp mode..

    The Sam module rarely goes on these cars,though it does happen.
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    Yes that sounds like it could be the VR too for sure, I'll wait until the Star gets here and see if I can get proper codes from the car. Hopefully all will become clear. If it points to the Alternator then I'll remove the whole unit & have it bench tested / rebuilt by a local specialist. Should sort whatever's going on with it in one go.


    If it points to a module of some sort there are plently of W211 E220CDI's being parted out near me so I should be able to get what I need from those - pretty cheap too. It's just knowing what the problem is in the first place that's the biggest problem with these modern CAN Bus nightmares!


    This is the kit I bought (It'll not be here until middle of next week)

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    I have a number of jobs lined up for it already on my cars (besides trying to get codes from the E220) so i'm looking forward to getting to grips with it

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    There is nothing difficult dealing with CanBus cars i think.Its a very easy system..and when you know how it works...its a genius system to work on.

    At least i think so.
    But yeah..get the codes read..and that will help you alot on what to look for.

    When it comes to testing these generators...i dont think many "workshops" can do this...it depends abit..but i know that MY local electric workshop could NOT test this type of generator ...just because of the fact that the data connector is not your ordinary D+ or "charging lamp" connection..so it may be difficult to "activate" the generator if the shop does NOT have this special equipment..

    but hope you get it sorted.and would be nice to get some info as you go along i would provide the info that i know of to help out if needed


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    BATTERY DRAIN CONCLUSION

    Well this is a pretty exciting update for me! Finally got to the root of the Battery drain problems this car has had from when I bought it. It was the Diagnostic Plug! The pins inside were corroded and shorting out. The symptoms of this were-



    • Random Fuel pumps firing up all by themselves with the car sitting parked.
    • Fuel pumps primed every time the battery terminals were hooked on.
    • The car did not always prime the fuel pumps when the ignition key was turned on.
    • Minimum 1.48 Amp parasitic draw = Heavy Duty battery flat by morning.



    LH Module was staying alive / being triggered when it shouldnít be is what was happening. I found the corresponding black arc patches on 2 of the pins which confirmed what was going on for sure. I have the new plug housing but have also ordered 9 of the pins now since the originals were beyond cleaning up - which I only discovered when the plug was taken apart today. For now the wires are taped up until the new pins get here & I can re-assemble the plug.


    I intend to do a DIY on here on Diag plug replacement next weekend Ė pics etc will be included on that. I suspect this may become a more common problem as E500E's age and the plugs begin to corrode inside.

    Very happy to have found that finally- the Relay which got me by has now been removed. All of the symptoms outlined above are 100% gone now



    Big thanks to Oscar for sending me the old fault report from his car it put me on the right tracks Ė much faster than I would have track it down to that plug on my own


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    Well I got Star and figured out how to work it but the w211 doesn’t let me get too far into it’s systems. Gives CAN errors etc. More info on this Banzworld thread-
    http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w211-e-class/2670810-facelift-w211-all-warning-lights-electrics.html



    Getting no where fast so ordering a new VR today to pick up tomorrow and collecting a used SAM module to swap out. BCM in boot already replaced. All the wiring is clean and dry – as are the footwells (Common problem on w211’s) I also cleaned the battery wire connections in the boot to no avail either. However there IS signs of water ingress in the boot so not sure if that has anything to do with it.


    So the 500E is still getting daily use and it’s running sweet! Totally different car to when I bought it – it’s a well sorted machine now. All electrics work, engine is smooth and full of power and it’s E60 suspension is just like modern Avantgarde benzes now after the new spheres and level adjustments. There was a squeak from the front of the engine –like a dry idler bearing – with driving the car this past week or so that has disappeared too.


    For sure these car’s should be driven a little – I have a habit of cosseting them in the garage but getting some miles on them does the world of good.

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    Hi all, I have got the 500E back into the garage & after a bubble bath and wax itís clear it did not pick up any parking dings after having to push it into daily service this past week. I must say the car drives beautifully now it is a totally different car to when I first drove it home from England. Everything works in it and itís a pleasure to drive Ė I realise I spend too much time working at my cars. Putting some miles on them is what itís all about.

    On the w211 front I believe it is the Central Gateway module at fault. A replacement is coming this week- for now I am driving the w211 as is.
    I got my own Star setup & running

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    With the new O2 sensor fitted I need to re-set the adaption values. See the screenshots below- I am not sure if I did it correctly. I picked (Option 1) then YES to perform resetting which seemed ok.

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    But there is a second option Ď2í Perform Self Adjustment. Opening that dialog shows this screen-

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    I have driven the car post adaption reset- do I need to hit enter now on the dialog above?

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    it is not necesary
    And its not necesary doing it after a O2 sensor change either..as the ecu will reset itself after some time anyways.
    At least..when i was working at the Benz dealer...the chief told me not to try do to it..just in case there would be any problems with throttle body or so..so i did not bother..as i did not know all about what the self adjustment meant..and what it would actually DO...Though i can now say that i do not have a problem with my throttle body..so but..anyways..i did not dare to do a reset and self adjusting.

    But maybe someone can chime in with some more info


    central gateway module faulty??wow..never experienced that actually.
    Gonna be nice to see if it solves the problem...?..i hope you sort it out

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    Thanks for the info Lowman- I did see threads on here which indicate the adaption should be reset when the 02 sensor is replaced. But yes it should re-learn on its own, given time.

    But Mike K (HFM Scan) also told me based on the data I sent him a few weeks back I should reset the adaption values. This was before the o2 sensor was replaced.

    Maybe on Tuesday evening I'll hook Star up again & see what the second option does when selected. I'll also record more data with LH scan for Mike & see what he thinks.

    For the w211 the Benz world thread is up to date although it seems no one really has experienced what my car is doing. Either the Central Gateway is FUBAR'd as I suspect or it's not getting power. At £15 for a used one including shipping it's worth swapping out. I have already rebuilt the alternator and test fitted a replacement main SAM unit to no avail. Tonight the alarm on it also went ape shit so I jacked it up wearing ear defenders and unplugged the alarm. Bloody modern cars- hate them. If I could afford the 500E's thirst I would shift the w211 on. But oil burning is cheap travel!

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    no problem at all matey

    you are totally right " it should" be done..but it is not critical if you dont do the adaption.
    Ive done the same on my car...done the o2 sensor replacement....measured the emissions..and everything is SPOT on..all values are spot on.
    And it DOES reset the values itself after some driving.
    But the reason number one for me NOT wanting to do it..was like i said...i was unsure on "what it would actually do...if the throttle body thing was involved..and i did not want to mess with that if it was not dead nessecary.

    If i can remember correctly...i think the Central Gateway module..has to be coded..i cant remember correctly..but i think that is the case..and i dont think your car will start with another one mounted...i may be wrong..but..hopefully you will have it sorted.

    would love to have a look on it with a star diagnostic available..but i guess i cant because of the distance
    But good you have checked the generator and the Sam...

    cheers..looking forward hearing more about both 500e and 211
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    Yes that's correct I have been told it will require coding for it to work. That part my be the hardest part but the star I have does include offline coding- so long as I can figure it out in the first instance!


    However I conducted an interesting "OK- Redneck!" test on the w211. I removed the Central Gateway and started the car up / took it for a drive. Everything was exactly the same as before! So it does appear to be doing nothing. Also the one fitted has paint markings like from a wrecking yard so it's had a used unit fitted before. The mileage being blank got me thinking so when I googled what holds the mileage info it is the Central Gateway. Then I remembered Star had it at the top of a fault list on the car's data. So yeah- it seems to be that module alright- here's hoping.


    I am hopeful that if the car it came from has similar options fitted it will work right away. But otherwise I'll have to get to the coding.


    Yes I'll keep the updates coming hopefully better news on the w211 this week. I also awakened my restored 300E 24 today. Pic attached of that car- I bought it as my second w124 when I was 17. Then spent endless hours / years rebuilding it. It's now simply too clean to leave the garage- not what I set out to do but hey it brings me enjoyment even it it stays in the garage.


    It's going to go in beside the 500E this week (So the E36 can have the messy bodywork done this Autumn in a another garage of its own)


    I'll get pics of those 2 cars side by side later this week- Interesting comparisons they are quite different cars! RHD vs LHD, pre facelift vs Facelift etc.
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    wooow..that 124 was suuuuuper nice.!!!
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    Thanks Lowman! Truth to be told she sat in my front garage for maybe 6 months there without me getting a chance to look at it or even open the door. So today it got taken out, washed & a freshly charged battery put in. This car had the full hog- engine rebuilt, and a full pro respray in the original Almandine Red metallic. I did the paint prep it's got 2 new front wings and a rear arch welded in. Plus basically new everything else

    It took about 5 years to complete so it's my baby. If it got in a wreck I would be devastated but maybe next year I'll venture out in it again- it's been too long. Sitting around ain't doing it any good either I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JC220 View Post
    With the new O2 sensor fitted I need to re-set the adaption values. See the screenshots below- I am not sure if I did it correctly. I picked (Option 1) then YES to perform resetting which seemed ok. .... But there is a second option ‘2’ Perform Self Adjustment. ...

    I have driven the car post adaption reset- do I need to hit enter now on the dialog above?
    After you re-set adaptation (which is recommended), just drive the car normally. It will adapt over the next 5-10 trips (preferably from a cold start to fully warmed up).

    Manually performing adjustment is a PITA and requires having the SDS connected while driving the car, and you need to provide a certain load at a certain RPM for about 5 seconds each upper/lower, then let it idle. I've done this multiple times and although it gives a rough adaptation, I've found that EVERY time the car will end up adapting away several percent from whatever the 'manual' results were. In general, I would not bother with the manual adaptation procedure unless you had a very specific reason to do so.

    After replacing the O2 sensor, MAF, or any other item which can affect mixture... resetting is definitely recommended. Otherwise it may take a long time for the computer to re-adapt to the new/correct settings. Note this is primarily an issue on LH systems. The newer ME systems (1996-up M119 in W210/W140/R129) change adaptation far more rapidly. The ME systems will also re-set to zero every time the battery is disconnected. The early LH systems (1992 / WOT enrichment) do not reset with the battery disconnected, but the late LH modules (016-prefix, some 015-prefix) will reset to 1.0004 if the battery is disconnected.

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    Thanks for the info Dave! Yes itís reset now so Iíll let the car adjust itself as I put more miles on it instead of that full procedure thing.




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    FWIW guys I attach a printout I got from DAS tonight from my W211 that crapped the bed recently. (More info in my posts above) Itís hard to get time to work at the w211 at all lately but tonight I made some progress in figuring out how to Code the Central Gateway Module myself using DAS. I have a replacement used CGW coming in the post so when it arrives any day soon I will install it then code it myself to match the original unit with Star. The Coding bit worried me so I'm glad I figured that out at least.

    I have already test fitted a replacement main SAM Module, Battery Control Module, rebuilt the Alternator & swapped in 2 other good Batteries to test Ė all no good at all.

    I am unsure if renewing the CGW will actually cure the faults Ė but itís top of my suspect list currently.

    Anyway- I know some of you guys might work at dealerships etc so maybe the DAS printout attached will be of some interest to you Ė Iím all ears for opinions.

    Sorry for the non 124.036 information in this post I am waiting on something special coming for the 500E which if it turns up will be pretty sweet......... but in the meantime the w211 is kicking my ass
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    Ok, I may as well elaborate on what’s coming for the 500E in a few weeks-



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    The order will take 6 weeks to be fabricated & shipped to me from Fox Germany. I ordered it 2 weeks ago & so far they haven’t cancelled the order – this is good. It should be max 4 weeks out. It seems Fox are the only company left making off the shelf stainless cat back exhausts for E500E’s still.
    Hopefully a quality item turns up I'll wait & see. If it's like the pics then it'll be awesome


    IF & when it turns up I will post plenty of details & Pics of it in a new thread on here.
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    To me it looks like the interior CAN is not working. CGW is answering properly what doesn't say anything about the functionality yet. The CGW switches over the communication from the different data buses since they work on different speeds plus it's the main access for the diagnosis.
    I would suggest to try the following: access your interior CAN potential distributors, they are three in total plus one included on the rear SAM (if I remember correctly) the wires are easy to identify: 0.75mm2 brown and brown/red. The potential distributors are located in the cable channels in the area of the lower a pillar/floor pan. You must remove the entrance sill and lower a pillar covers, open the plastic channel and search for the cables. They all hook up to a socket bracket. The third supposed to be under the passenger side dash. Remove that cover and have a look, should be clipped in next to the heater blower motor. Dismantle the security lock (slides side ways out when u latching the small leavers) then do this: start the car and then pull off one of the individual CAN connector sockets on the potential distributor. See what or if something is changing in the cars behaviour. If nothing changes, plug the socket back in and pull the next until you went through all or suddenly the fault is gone or at least some of the symptoms dissappear. Then delete all fault codes (the specific single connector still off). Run another short test and see which control unit is missing. Other units will claim that they can't communicate with cu x for example. Then search for that unit and replace it. That's another step I suggest before you start replacing anything.
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    The self adaptation is to be reseted as Dave said earlier when items like o2 sensor, air mass meter or alterations in the "flow" has been done. The self adaptation will re-adjust the fuel mapping (AFR ratio) within the tolerance limits given in the control unit. A old/damaged o2 sensor can be slower or the switch point deviates what leads the control unit to learn wrong over time. Same with a air mass sensor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rouven036 View Post
    To me it looks like the interior CAN is not working. CGW is answering properly what doesn't say anything about the functionality yet. The CGW switches over the communication from the different data buses since they work on different speeds plus it's the main access for the diagnosis.
    I would suggest to try the following: access your interior CAN potential distributors, they are three in total plus one included on the rear SAM (if I remember correctly) the wires are easy to identify: 0.75mm2 brown and brown/red. The potential distributors are located in the cable channels in the area of the lower a pillar/floor pan. You must remove the entrance sill and lower a pillar covers, open the plastic channel and search for the cables. They all hook up to a socket bracket. The third supposed to be under the passenger side dash. Remove that cover and have a look, should be clipped in next to the heater blower motor. Dismantle the security lock (slides side ways out when u latching the small leavers) then do this: start the car and then pull off one of the individual CAN connector sockets on the potential distributor. See what or if something is changing in the cars behaviour. If nothing changes, plug the socket back in and pull the next until you went through all or suddenly the fault is gone or at least some of the symptoms dissappear. Then delete all fault codes (the specific single connector still off). Run another short test and see which control unit is missing. Other units will claim that they can't communicate with cu x for example. Then search for that unit and replace it. That's another step I suggest before you start replacing anything.

    Hi Rouven, Thanks for the input on the w211 – I really appreciate it.

    Well I had the replacement CGW coming anyway & at £15 it was worth a shot. I fitted & coded it to the car- nothing changed. Original CDW now back in since it holds the accurate mileage for my car and the other will be kept as a spare with the car.

    The same 2 fault codes appear in ‘System Diagnosis’ –
    9313 Interior CAN Bus- Short Circuit in CAN Lines/ CAN bus low short
    9311 Interior CAN Bus- CAN bus High Short circuit to POS

    So yes I am now resigned to the fact that there is indeed a wiring fault somewhere in the interior CAN system. Tomorrow I will set aside a minimum of 4 hours to start exposing the CAN connectors and see if cleaning contacts etc makes any difference at all.

    And as per your suggestion I will remove & remake connections and monitor the car’s behaviour. But the thing is – since the fault means most items do not communicate at all maybe the behaviour will not notably change- but I’ll see tomorrow. Or do you mean that if a single module were faulty & shorting out it could take down the whole CAN network when hooked up? I guess that makes sense too.

    Whatever happened to good old fuses & copper wires eh? I know – tech moves on..... cost cutting etc but what a PITA when something goes wrong





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    It happened more than once that a faulty unit screws up the data by shorting it or messing with the signals. As said this is the first step of the diagnose I would take. And I had more than once a case where this identified the culprit.
    It's quite sure you don't have only a wiring issue.
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    Well following Rouvenís advice I think I made some progress today on the w211


    First off I found the CAN Ďmultiplugí within the passenger cable trunking. Un hooking one connector at a time & or all at once there made no difference at all.
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    Then I found another one located above the passenger footwell.

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    I began unhooking these one by one Ė then when I unhooked the last one (On itís own) the ASR / ABS system warning lamps extinguished and they work again just fine. Battery warning, no fuel guage & general cluster problems persist though. And the Xeon headlamps still come on constant even with the switch in position zero. But- the engine Fan no longer roars it head off either which is good. Iím sick of everyone asking ďWTF is that?Ē


    Anyway- this is the first breakthrough so far Ė it shows that whatever is at the other end of that CAN connector is suspect. I took a fresh set of codes from the car Ė PDF attached.
    Two things have happened-



    • Most of the interior CAN is now working and more modules have appeared on the list.
    • The A1 Instrument Cluster is the source of all current fault codes.


    So it appears what I have unplugged is in fact the A1 Instrument Cluster Control module. And as soon as itís plugged back in the ASR / ABS lights come on, Engine Fan Roars & the Interior Can Bus drops out.


    Most remaining symptoms are now directly related to the Instrument Cluster. And the Xeon Headlamps still coming on Ė but maybe this is as a result of a CAN error from module A1.


    So next I will investigate the A1 Module and / or Cluster.


    I also noted today that the rebuilt Alternator appears to be overcharging. Sitting at about 14.7 Volts. Itíll have to be pulled again. FML
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    AHE is trailer hitch control. Seems that your car has one but it is not set in either the rear Sam or CGW, put that trailer recognition or AHE as present in one these units (not sure which one or both) then this CAN "error" will go. Not really an error more a wrong status...
    Next what you could do is to unplug the instrument cluster. Pull out the black frame surrounding it and unscrew the 4 t20 screws which hold the cluster. Unplug the socket and see what happens. Maybe not much. Try to get another icm to plug in. Careful, mileage can get overwritten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rouven036 View Post
    AHE is trailer hitch control. Seems that your car has one but it is not set in either the rear Sam or CGW, put that trailer recognition or AHE as present in one these units (not sure which one or both) then this CAN "error" will go. Not really an error more a wrong status...
    Thanks Rouven, yes I think I know why that might be. I fitted a towbar to this car myself about 2 years ago. When I did that I bought an aftermarket W211 Specific trailer plug kit. This plugged directly into the rear Sam. No warning lamps etc it functions perfect. So now I have Star I guess I need to tell it that’s fitted.


    Doing more research – I am beginning to think I have a dud Instrument Cluster. I think I will test fit a replacement at a local wrecking yard on Monday evening. If that solves it I might send my original unit off to get repaired by a specialist. Re- Mileage / coding etc will be undisturbed.


    Do you think it could be the Cluster?


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    Most welcome! Yes I think it's quite plausible that the icm is toasted.
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    Most welcome! Yes I think it's quite plausible that the icm is toasted.
    Cool, Thanks. Well it’ll cost nothing to try test fitting a replacement Cluster so Ill let you know how I get on early next week. For now I have ASR & ABS back which is great! With never ending rain in Ireland those functions are pretty essential


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    I found this on the interweb-

    A lot of the car's systems go through the IC, including the steering wheel controls, parktronic and the lights.
    Your headlights are coming on as this is a fall-back safety system meaning you still have lights even though the car has a major fault.

    It could well be that you've an electrical fault somewhere that is preventing power getting to the cluster. If so you must attempt to find that first.
    So tomorrow I am going to pull the Cluster. Then follow the WIS procedure to confirm itís getting Power & Earth at the appropriate pins in the plug.

    If the Plug checks out then I can say with 100% certainty the problem is the Instrument Cluster itself.

    If so I will pack it up & send it off for repair on Monday. Looks like the 500E will be getting some more miles on it this week but thatís OK!

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    So this evening I was looking for a MB Hose clamp in my spares (To replace a non original one on the 500E) and I stumbled upon something I really canít even remember buying Ė would have been years ago


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    I read a while back that these were NLA so I was a bit worried that if I wanted to convert the car back to original pre- facelift trim I would never find a new Genuine early 500E badge Ė Iíll keep this one safe now Iíve 'found' it!


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    So today was the dreaded MOT. Our tests here are rigorous so with a 24 year old car anything can happen!

    It failed- but I knew it would. On the night before the test I tried to set the headlamp beams. But realised they were dipping the wrong direction. I had no choice but to take it as is today since it was too late to re-schedule.

    Here's what bugs me- the car had a receipt for replacement UK spec lenses with it dating back to 2004 (bogus- I should have checked the lenses sooner). The car had a current English MOT on it which expired today. So it's went through at least 12 MOTs with these headlamps and not even an advisory. But predictably with our strict government run test they failed it literally at the door on the way in.

    It doesn't matter anyway- the headlamps were the stock type not 124.036- I was going to replace them in the next couple of weeks anyway. The correct E500 headlamps are now on order new from MB.

    It passed everything else, brakes, emissions, suspension etc with flying colours. The car is now gleaming underneath I spent hours today steam cleaning it. So I'm happy really that it's only the headlamps that need sorted.

    I'll just let it sit until the new headlamps get here, fit them & go pick up the cert. They will only re test the headlamp beam alignment next time nothing else.

    Reconditioned 150amp Alternator upgrade is next on the list, fitting the 2 new Aux fans (I need new copper crush washers first so I can re-fit the rad) and the Fox cat back exhaust system will be delivered on week 36 (The Germans are very precise )


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    We used to run stickers on the headlights so they dip the right way mate. You've really turned this car around, dying to see more detailed photos and to have a ride in it one day!

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    Thanks Bill – yes it thought of that but they don’t allow those stickers here either! They are a pretty anal retentive bunch our local MOT testers. I’m looking forward to getting the proper E500 chrome / clear headlamps anyway – I think they will be the finishing touch to the front end of the car. Plus getting nice shiny new parts is always exciting


    It is unrecognisable from the sad car it was a few months back when I picked it up. When the exhaust gets here I'll get pics of underneath the 500E when it's on my friends lift.


    Yes I intend to make it over next year for the E500 meet for sure. It’s alot of miles to drive getting to London from here but it’ll stretch the 500’s legs!


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    Congratulations on the "Almost Pass" Inspection, really just the headlights is a easy one... All your hard work is paying off...
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    Congratulations on the "Almost Pass" Inspection, really just the headlights is a easy one... All your hard work is paying off...
    Thanks Oscar Ė I also watched the latest part 4 video on your car it looks to be coming on very well! I hope you get enjoying it on the open road soon





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    Just planning ahead now for what jobs Iíll carry out during the Winter Ďoff seasoní- I know that m119's can have issues with the upper timing chain guides falling apart. So this winter I would like to do some preventative maintenance and renew the timing chain & all guides. That that end I have some questions-

    This is the pic from EPC-

    This is the shopping list I think I will need-


    80; Chain- A0029978494

    137; Tensioner gasket- A1190520880

    86; Lower sliding rail- A1190500416

    101; sliding rail- A1190521216

    110; Upper sliding rail- A1190521116

    119; Upper guide- A1190500216

    122; Upper guide- A1190500316

    125; Guide covers (x2) A1190520916

    113; Sliding rail- A1190521316



    Is that everything? I'll get the correct tool to join the chain.


    Is it a real pain to remove the front timing cover- Ie- can it be done in situ? I would really like to replace all chain guides I presume this will require removal of the front engine cover for full access?

    The chain currently is 100% quiet at all times and there is on startup rattle even after sitting for a couple of weeks. But it seems prudent to renew these items before they give trouble!

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    You may not need to do all of that, just the upper chain guides. IIRC, that is the usual failure due to age/heat. If you rattle after sitting, consider removing the CPS from the ezl and crank it a bit to get oil pressure. Then reattach the CPS and see if the rattle is there. "could" be just that - oil pressure building and not necessarily bad tensioner. I plan to replace pickup and screen when I replace the level sensor, but since I am there I will do the chain guides and install metal oilers (new breather etc) then run, drain remove pan for the sensor change (my only leak) and get it all done at once (obviously an oil/filter change) Just a thought.
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    Hi nocfn, OK so maybe I should order the cam gaskets and upper rails to start with. If that's what's usually the weak point then I'll follow that advice.

    Really the car is totally quiet- no rattles of any kind. It's just the unknown condition of the timing chain that weighs on me every time I run it at WOT. Maybe if I set the crank at TDC and check the alignment of the cam timing marks that would be sufficient to determine if the timing chain has any adverse stretch / wear. But If properly checking the chain for stretch requires chain removal then I'll just fit a new one instead.

    I plan on changing the oil again soon enough. At that same time I will fit a recon 150amp alternator and fit the updated oil check valve whilst I'm there. Again there are no issues at present but since I intend to hold onto this 500E forever I like taking care of stuff like that

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    I hear you! Just didn't want you to go thru all that if not required, but you are in there and I am all for getting stuff done with thought and planning for sure. Perhaps Honch or Gsxr will chime in soon.
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    When I replaced my plastic for metal oil tubes, I only replaced the upper chain guides.
    Gerry's write up was great for that job.
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    Thanks for the replies -OK I have been reading up more on here and it does seem renewing the lower chain guides is alot of work and for the most part not necessary unless the miles are really high etc. Mine has ‘only’ 125k miles.

    So I will plan on the upper guide renewal and new cam cover gaskets first. If any bits are broken off then I will also drop the lower sump pan for cleaning of it & the pick up screen incase debris are in there. It seems this is the list of what I need for that (3 Rails?)

    110; Upper sliding rail (x2) - A1190521116

    119; Upper guide - A1190500216

    122; Upper guide - A1190500316

    113; Sliding rail - A1190521316

    125; Guide covers (x2) - A1190520916

    137; Tensioner gasket- A1190520880 - Am I right in thinking this has to come off for upper guide renewal? I guess the DIY will answer that

    Cam cover gasket sets (x2)

    I’ll get this stuff in my next parts order.

    I have searched for the DIY of upper guide renewal but can’t find it!

    Would anyone mind pointing me to it?
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    Here is all I replaced when doing the metal oil tube job:

    Upper plastic chain rail guides (MB part numbers 119 052 09 16 (two required); 119 050 03 16; and 119 050 02 16)

    From Gerry's write up:

    The next step is super-important and delicate ... the removal and replacement of the plastic sliding rail for the top of the timing chain, located between the cam sprockets. This plastic rail consists of two plastic pieces (which are rather inexpensive) that press together and are locked by six small tangs, which snap into slots. It's fairly self-explanatory once you see it. I used a couple of small flat-blade screwdrivers to release the tangs. It's a GREAT idea to place rags below the sprockets and plastic slide rail area, because you WILL break some of the tangs off in the process, and you don't want to lose these pieces of plastic down into the motor. As you can see from the photo, I broke off quite a few pieces and was able to capture them. This plastic is quite old and brittle, and is subjected to quite a lot of heat and abuse, so it's IMPORTANT that you purchase new plastic rails BEFORE you do this job. Part numbers are above. Trust me, you WILL break the plastic in the process of removing it, unless it is brand new or near new.

    The large piece is held on with two 5mm allen bolts.



    You can see the difference between the old (right, dark brown plastic) and new (left, lighter brown plastic) guide pieces.



    Also, notice on the older piece that there is a square rubber piece. This piece should be transferred over from the older guide piece to the newer piece. This can be accomplished in just seconds.



    Here I am fitting the two plastic pieces into place around the timing chain, and locking the upper and lower tangs (there are 6 tangs in total .. four on the top side and two on the underside.
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    I don't think there is any DIY writeup for the full upper-rail replacement, including the two in the "V" of the heads, and the rail below the driver side exhaust sprocket. The cam adjusters have to be removed for this job which adds further time and complexity. The "fingered" clips and rails that go between the sprockets shown in Trae's post above are frequently replaced when the valve covers come off for any reason; these probably last ~10 years or so (?) before becoming brittle. The 'fingered' rails are cheap, unless you know they are very recent, just replace them.

    As you mentioned, the long banana rail inside the timing cover (#86) and the bottom inside rail (#101) rarely need replacement, and make the job an order of magnitude more complicated. I would not consider replacing those unless you can confirm they are damaged or worn enough to warrant replacement.

    Don't forget to order the parts for inside the oil pan; the rubber pickup boot and the O-ring for the level sender are the main 2 items. There are a few threads discussing this, along with general comments about getting the oil pan properly torqued without crushing the gasket, etc etc.

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    Trae Ė thankyou for posting Gerryís Pics those help alot.

    Dave many thanks for the information. Yes you are correct I will ensure I order all of the sundries as required when the time comes. Maybe Iíll post a parts list before ordering just to make sure Iíve covered everything.

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    full upper-rail replacement, including the two in the "V" of the heads, and the rail below the driver side exhaust sprocket
    For the bit above- does this mean I need more parts Dave? Or are the items as listed in post#417 all I need for replacing the timing guides accessed from above with the Cam Covers off?
    Maybe Iím picking it up wrong but it kind of sounds like there are two more guides that go in the V of the heads.


    PS the w211 is now fixed Ė it WAS the darn Instrument Cluster all along. I got it back from BBA Reman today and the car is happy again. The IC with the CAN Network shutting most of the car down in one go & locking out Star.Ė I now refer this as the CANíT Network.

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