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Frank Hogan
09-24-2012, 02:57 PM
Howdy folks. Hard to believe I just tumbled on this site! Anyway, this is 'Helga' she has been in my stewardship since January 2006. 167xxx miles and still clocking. Originally a Southwest car, she sits in my garage in Ontario (Canada) now- actually to be correct she is at the dealership getting an ignition service should be back on the road shortly-

I have had her on the market but have decided that I just don't want to part with her.


VIN:WBDEA36E2RC119511

Frank Hogan
09-24-2012, 03:06 PM
Interior shots

KarlC
09-24-2012, 03:15 PM
Welcome aboard ! Good plan to keep your car !

We have seen your past add, it was posted here ......

http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?3139-FS-1994-E500-Black-Gray-11-500-%28Canada%29

Frank Hogan
09-24-2012, 03:25 PM
Yep that's the one! Emailed Mike earlier to let him know I had decided to keep her-Ironically, the longer it was in the shop the more I missed it. I was of a mind to sell it and buy a 928 but couldn't find what I wanted and the thought of trying to sort out someone else's issues when I had one pre-sorted….well I thought I would wait until spring and see how I felt then.

sheward
09-24-2012, 06:34 PM
Good decision Frank. They are only getting harder to come by.

As a long time Porsche enthusiast I've always been drawn to the late 928s. The interiors date them a bit but they are still very powerful and capable touring cars. I have listened (briefly) to uninformed individuals try to convince me that it was the 928 4 cam engine that Mercedes used in our cars. Another urban legend. Apples and oranges, but i like the E500E more.

drew

Frank Hogan
09-26-2012, 06:51 AM
Drew
My first love has always been Porsche even though I've grown up around Mercs. My first Pcar was a 1984 928S (5spd). While it was a good example, I was uneducated about the mechanical side of ownership, but not for very long. While the E500E certainly has many pluses, one issue I always lament is the auto box. I mss a manual transmission, and it is one of the things that got me to put her on the market this year….That and my normal spring-need-a-Porsche ritual I go through (with or without one already in the garage).
I've thankfully never run into anyone insisting that a shark engine resided under the hood of a E500E. Can't imagine why they would think that, especially with knowledge of the timing belt/chain difference.
I should have her back next week. Ignition parts are coming out of the States, along with Nology plugs and wires.

Frank Hogan
09-26-2012, 07:09 AM
Drew;

Family member sent me this the other day- Pictured at the old house in Sedona are the 91 560SEC, 81 911 SC (my first 911, great kit but not enough guts!) and under the cover in the garage, and still in a garage at the casa de Mexico, is a 1977 350SL that my dad purchased new in Kuwait in 1980 (sat in a dealership there for three years). Funny thing about engines, I had a guy tell me not too long ago that the 350 actually has the 450 engine in it, it was badged as a 350 for tax purposes in Germany….Ever heard anything like that before?

195910
09-26-2012, 10:48 AM
Q8 ? How come ?

By the way guys, don't you all think its time to end the Manual transmission debate now !?
We either get this done and have a working manual example... or we put this to sleep forever.

If any forum has / can get the knowledge for a project like this its this one.

gsxr
09-26-2012, 11:02 AM
RENNtech already did a 6-speed manual in a 500E (with a 6.0 motor). It can be done but you better have deep pockets.

:spend: :spend:

redred
09-26-2012, 11:06 AM
And it's still for sale over at Hatch & Sons (http://www.hatchandsons.com/pages/sales/CON16/). Hideous, but for sale.

gsxr
09-26-2012, 12:03 PM
And it's still for sale over at Hatch & Sons (http://www.hatchandsons.com/pages/sales/CON16/). Hideous, but for sale.
LOL. The blue kinda grows on me, but yeah, I think the interior "uprgades" were more like "downgrades". It could be re-dyed I suppose. Word on the street is that Hatch sold the car but it came back to them again later (dunno if it was traded or what). There's a thread elsewhere on this forum with more info, think they want ~$60k for it.

:apl:

redred
09-26-2012, 12:13 PM
LOL. The blue kinda grows on me, but yeah, I think the interior "uprgades" were more like "downgrades". It could be re-dyed I suppose. Word on the street is that Hatch sold the car but it came back to them again later (dunno if it was traded or what). There's a thread elsewhere on this forum with more info, think they want ~$60k for it.

:apl:

I actually quite like the exterior color. It's quite unique. It's the inside that is absolutely hideous. It would cost a fortune to put back to original colors.

gerryvz
09-26-2012, 01:38 PM
Funny thing about engines, I had a guy tell me not too long ago that the 350 actually has the 450 engine in it, it was badged as a 350 for tax purposes in Germany….Ever heard anything like that before?The story behind this is interesting.

In 1969, MB came out with the first M116 engine, the iron-block 3.5-liter unit that went in the W108 and W109 chassis. This engine was available in the US for about 2 years (the 1970 280SEL and 300SEL 3.5 are examples of this). However, as emissions requirements tightened, MB realized that the high-revving M116 in 3.5 form wouldn't work any longer for the US market, so they created the iron-block M117 4.5-liter motor to replace it. This was different in important ways, but it had the extra displacement in order to make up for the lack of power due to a lower compression ratio, more smog equipment, and such that the Euro 3.5s didn't have.

Well, the 4.5 in iron-block form was NOT available in Europe in the 1971-1972 time period, during the tail end of the W108 and W109 production cycle. However, European Delivery W108 and W109 cars (280SEL 4.5 and 280SE 4.5, for example) that went to US customers, delivered on the Continent, came from MB with "3.5" badges on the trunk during these two years. This was a stopgap measure, designed not to arouse suspicion among Europeans, whose largest engine was the M116-based 3.5 liter motor. When the 4.5s were imported to the US after the customer took delivery in Europe and enjoyed the car there, the US dealership changed the badge here in the US over to a proper 4.5 trunk badge.

With the debut of the W116 chassis S-class in late 1972, as a 1973 model, there was a 450SE and 450SEL offered in Europe, alongwide the 350SE and 350SEL. The US only continued to get the 450SE/L in the W116 chassis, as well as the R107 450SL using this (essentially) same 4.5 liter motor.

Of course, later on the M116 and M117 went over to aluminum block engines, and the 3.5-liter M116 morphed into the 3.8 and then 4.2 liter form. The M117 motor morphed into an alu-block 5.0 and later 5.6 displacement.

I am very sure that many Europeans did replace (later on) their "450SL" or "450SEL" badges with "350" badges to try to reduce their tax burdens, if not putting on the even more tax-favorable 280 badges......

Cheers,
Gerry

Frank Hogan
09-26-2012, 02:34 PM
Gerry- So the '77 350 I have in Euro spec is what it is, correct?

Re Kuwait: My Dad purchased the Merc as a 25 year anniversary gift for the mother unit. We were at the time living in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. The car is better traveled than most people, having moved from KSA to Texas, Arizona, Ontario and now outside of Guadalajara, Mexico.
It still lives in unmolested Euro spec, all ways starting on the first turn, and closing in on 300KMs. Goot Kit!

6spd and the Blue Hobgoblin. That is some interior color. Technicolor yawn jumps to mind. I like the seats though…. I have logged multiple trips in Helga from Mexico to Ontario and back, and I am here to tell you that after 10 hours in the seat …..meh. What kind of scratch are we talking about here for the 6spd- 10K?

Speaking of sore asses, has anyone switched their seats out for aftermarket or other? Thoughts?

gsxr
09-26-2012, 02:54 PM
SWAG on duplicating the 6-sp manual installation... $10-$20k USD, if you could find a shop willing to attempt it. I'd fly out to Hatch and test-drive the Bluemobile first to make sure that's what you want! Worth the price of the plane ticket before spending that kinda dough.

:wormhole:

Frank Hogan
09-26-2012, 04:11 PM
For that money I could install a 89-91ish 5spd 928 GT in the garage! Auto box stays I think!

Frank Hogan
10-27-2012, 04:09 PM
Hey Folks-

Just when I thought I was out they pull me back in! On my way overseas, and since the acquisition of a new toy as of late, Helga must go. I just don't have the room. Just completed a 3K service (ignition cables, rotors etc.) also installed new fan clutch and T-Stat. Think with this in mind, 12.5K is more than fair, however I'm on a clock so OBO works. Engine and interior spotless after professional shampoo. Car needs nothing! Car is available for PPI, is currently sitting at Van Herpt Motors (Mercedes Benz Dealer) please feel free to call, Ed Van Herpt Jr. is service manager and will be happy to discuss car/service history with you!

Thanks

Frank
613.893.3606
fhogan65@yahoo.com

Frank Hogan
10-28-2012, 06:09 AM
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gsxr
10-28-2012, 09:46 AM
Frank, you may want post this in the "For Sale" section as well... people in the market for a 500E may not find your post in the "Owners" section.

:cheers:

Frank Hogan
10-29-2012, 09:11 AM
gracias!