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sheward
11-08-2009, 10:59 AM
I purchased a 2nd 500E on saturday. Black on black.
I will post some pics later.
Out of curiosity, i looked at another high miles black car at the local mb dealer. I'll post some details under cars for sale.

Glen
11-08-2009, 12:21 PM
Congrats! Post some pix :-)

What are your plans for either or both of your 500E's?

Dan
11-09-2009, 04:33 AM
Congrats!!!

this must be the one in SF the 040

sheward
11-10-2009, 08:53 PM
Thanks, guys!

I bought the 93 to drive on some interstate trips, and enjoy! I hope to do some mods to this one such as euro repeaters on the fenders, the clk mirror swap, and a facelift to 94/95 style. Brought home a trunk lid and tail lights tonight. Got lucky and found one in 040. I will also be on the lookout for a E420 valve body!

Dan, this car was in California from roughly 04 to 06. It was serviced regularly by Mr MB Motors. I have a contact number for the tech there that knows the car. Anybody out there in California know or heard of the place? info?


Thanks, Drew

:forumrocks:

Glen
11-10-2009, 09:23 PM
I have never used Mr MB Motors personally but I have only heard good things about them. My sis-in-law had her W210 E420 serviced there and was always treated fairly. A few other friends and family have also gone there with good results.

gerryvz
11-10-2009, 09:45 PM
+1 with Glen - I always saw and heard good things on the forums about them. I think the head honcho's name there is Enrique.

Cheers,
Gerry

sheward
11-10-2009, 10:29 PM
Thanks, guys.
Enrique is the name that was given to me.

Drew

MDA
11-10-2009, 11:40 PM
I also have my car under the care of Enrique and can confirm what the others have stated. Every year when I take the E500 for it's annual maintenance routine, he always exclaims "what special cars these are".

A couple of years ago he had someone's 500E in for repair and had the entire dash/IP/console assemblies removed to replace the HVAC blower motor. He must have seen the shocked look on my face and quickly reassured me he doesn't typically like doing this type of repair but "these cars need to be taken care of".

Enrique has worked for MB for well over 30 years culminating with managing the service operation at Beverly Hills MB prior to going independent. He has an extensive and esoteric understanding of the older MB models (I've also got a '95 E320 cab and '71 280SE 3.5 cab under his care) and he's got a steady stream of 113, 107, 108, 116, 126, 123 cars coming to him as well . Not surprisingly, he doesn't have the greatest appreciation for MB's newer cars.

All of the above notwithstanding, the best part is the guy is seriously reverential about the E500E's. If your car was maintained by Enrique, it was in very competent hands. I'd be surprised if he isn't able to recall the history and any upcoming needs for your specific car.

Just my 2?,

MDA

szvook
11-11-2009, 07:13 PM
I also use only Mr. MB Motors as well and Enrique is the man to go to here in Los Angeles hands down. When I bought my 500E I did a lot of research for an independent mechanic and his shop kept coming up as the one to go to. Needless to say everyone was right on about Enrique; even the guy who does my tuning who was the top guy for Brabus of North America knows Enrique and also praises his work, diligence and customer care.

I can say further that Mercedes is in Enrique's blood. His dad was a master mechanic in Spain and Enrique mentioned that he was always interested in cars and learned from his dad early on.

124036-009
11-14-2009, 04:42 AM
:postpics:

Sounds nice though :)

sheward
11-14-2009, 08:35 AM
reassuring to hear the comments about Enrique. I talked with him the other day. He knows my car and gladly agreed to get me his records of it. His computer was acting up at that time.
I am wanting to replace chrome 8 holers that came on the car before posting pics. I have some stock wheels here and it's a great weekend to do so. We have been getting biblical rains here in Atlanta.

Drew
:burnout:

sheward
11-18-2009, 09:31 AM
here are a few pics of the new 500e.

I had a good time Sunday cleaning it up and looking it over. Changed back to oem 8 holers for now. Thinner spring pads will be next. Then Hella E codes after the holiday!

:new:

gerryvz
11-20-2009, 10:04 AM
:wahoo: :woot:

Congratulations !

Cheers,
Gerry

szvook
11-20-2009, 02:29 PM
Nice and clean car. :cheers:

Klink
04-16-2015, 11:57 AM
Hey, Drew!

Did you know that your Silver 500E was "Found on the Street" ?
http://www.foundonthestreet.net/2014/07/28/mercedes-500e-porsche-w124/

jhodg5ck
04-16-2015, 01:02 PM
The green one is a customer of mine...:):)

sheward
04-16-2015, 05:02 PM
I did see that recently. That photo was taken the day Mike (quicksilver500) and I attended the Georgia Tech auto show. If you do a Bing search for Mercedes 500E a page of images is found with pictures of other members cars.

drew

sheward
04-16-2015, 08:47 PM
Like the car, so goes the owner.
drew

sheward
09-09-2015, 08:46 PM
New parts!

I'm having new wiper panels painted to allow installation of proper wipers as well as a respray of the front fascia to correct some minor scraping that resulted from me taking the car off road a few years back to avoid an accident.

drew

sheward
04-16-2016, 09:46 PM
I purchased another 500E on Friday. Vin no: WDBEA36EONB723266.

I wasn't looking for another it's just that I had a motorcycle for sale and we came to agreement on a trade. I paid less than asking price with the Evo wheels however the value of the motorcycle is quite subjective. I really just needed to sell the bike and am unsure of my future plans. The car may go back up for sale here.

The car has had paintwork and needs more. The panels are straight and all line up very well with exception of the passenger side trunk to quarter gap on the back. It's dirty and sun baked so lots of rubber replacement is needed. The interior is very tired and dirty. Both front seats are coming apart. Little if any attention was given since the car left Atlanta in what I believe to be 2009. I haven't yet had it on the lift but from my test drive I know it needs front end and possibly rear parts. Front strut mounts are showing some cracking, 2nd to 3rd gear shift flared some under full throttle, no hesitation engaging reverse though. I'm told, (and believe) the evaporator and all pods were replaced. I suspect engine mounts were done at some point as the engine idles smoothly and it runs quite well. Cooling system seems in order. Temp stayed right at 80 even after a hard run and some idling with AC on, however the ambient tempature was only about 70 degrees. Aux fans never came on. Silver Arrow brakes all around with new rotors and pads. Stops very nicely. Two of the Evos have very minor curbage with a fifth in the trunk I haven't examined. My initial plans are to give it a good cleaning, remove the tint from the two front and rear windows and then work on suspension parts and have the roof and some panels re sprayed. Inquiring about seats from a board member presently. Here's a couple pics. Nothing from the interior as it's too ghastly to behold.

drew

sheward
04-16-2016, 09:54 PM
The "shroom" arrived last Saturday. Not a moment too soon as my silver car will not start.

drew

Dario
04-16-2016, 10:05 PM
So you got car with Evos instead of three piece wheels?

sheward
04-16-2016, 10:28 PM
I did. I'm not a big fan of them on the E500E and besides I don't have deep enough pockets. I have always liked the Evos but they don't fit the brakes on my silver car. BTW, thanks for posting the ad!

drew

gerryvz
04-16-2016, 11:15 PM
So, you got this car Drew .... http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?6212-FS-1992-500E-Spruce-Green-Cream-167kmi-15k-(Gainesville-FL)

sheward
04-16-2016, 11:41 PM
Indeed! I needed to sell a motorcycle and this being Klink's friends old car made it hard to ignore. You'll see more questions from me in the near future.

drew

8899
04-17-2016, 07:24 AM
Congrats! Is it me, or does it appear to sit a little bit low in the rear?

sheward
04-17-2016, 07:44 AM
Thanks! I was told by the seller that the previous owner cut a bit from the stock springs and I also seem to remember hearing this from him myself. It may be the photos. It sits very close to stock with 1 point pads.

drew

8899
04-17-2016, 09:35 AM
I think you got a great deal!

sheward
04-17-2016, 12:13 PM
The car needs more work than I was hoping for, however after re negotiating with the seller I'm ok with it. Lots of the rubber things are petrified from the Florida sun. The mirror rubbers have turned to stone, trim is gold colored, etc.

drew

gsxr
04-17-2016, 04:43 PM
I think it was a good buy, Drew. And you are now a card-carrying member of the super-secret / double-probation Malachite Mouseketeers. Welcome aboard! Makes me want to get to work on mine...

:banana2:

gerryvz
04-17-2016, 07:45 PM
the super-secret / double-probation Malachite Mouseketeers. You mean, the Spruce Geese ..... :stickpoke:

sheward
04-17-2016, 08:44 PM
I think it was a good buy, Drew. And you are now a card-carrying member of the super-secret / double-probation Malachite Mouseketeers. Welcome aboard! Makes me want to get to work on mine...

:banana2:

I feel very good about it after spending the day cleaning it up and having a better look. I think the mechanicals have been maintained pretty well. Looks like the cam magnets have been resealed, new Bowden(?) cable, air filter and fluids are clean, newer paste under EZL, engine doesn't appear to leak anywhere, many hoses are good. Vacuum hoses and connectors seem generally pliable. Nothing had been cleaned in some time. Smells like it's burning a bit rich but running and idling fine. the air pump makes a noise like a manifold leak when it's running. Speedo works but odometer does not. Would that be a gear in the cluster and would other 124s share it? The rear window is a proper 036 piece without any delamination. Also, would the seats from a 300E Sportline fit in our cars? I didn't know you owned a green car either. I really like the color.

drew

sheward
04-17-2016, 09:09 PM
Some pictures. I ran it hard once again and I do like the slightly louder sound of the gutted muffler but I think i'll change it due to the funky tips.

drew

Glen
04-17-2016, 09:14 PM
Wow, those mirror boots are fossils!

gerryvz
04-17-2016, 10:04 PM
You can get new gears for it at odometergears.com

I think it's discussed a bit on a forum thread. You need to get the right tooth count, however.

http://www.odometergears.com/products/Mercedes-Benz/E+class+%28124%29++84-95+Mech./50

TerryA
04-18-2016, 05:10 AM
Wow, those mirror boots are fossils!

That's life in the south and left outside to much + lack of wax or care.

Drew is the right guy to bring this car up to our E500E standards.

sheward
04-18-2016, 08:49 AM
Thanks for the link, Gerry. New is always preferred on items such as this. Can anyone speak to Approx. cost of the premo seat covers and tell me whether installing them (bottom and back) is a DIY job? I know the bottom is but quite difficult. I'm considering member Joef's Sportline seating with issues of shipping, and fitment. Also unsure if they are heated yet.

drew

gsxr
04-18-2016, 08:58 AM
Drew, you can get new front leather covers from GAT for ~$1k/set, and you don't have to send in your old ones. It's a big job to disassemble the seats. I've not yet attempted to re-assemble with new leathers. If installing new leathers, also get the new bottom rubber mat "horesehair" pad (the backrest pads are NLA). The pads come with new bolster heating elements. You will re-use your center heating elements, the slide out of fabric pockets. Pics on my website.

Joef's seats are heated, you can see the switches in the photos.

:seesaw:

sheward
04-22-2016, 10:24 PM
Thanks, Dave. I think i'll try recovering them. I'll also get new bottom cushions. I already have one on hand for the silver car. I put the car on the lift today and it looks good. I didn't remove the encapsulation pan but every thing looks nice and dry. New flex disk up front, no rust anywhere besides the resonator. I plan on replacing it and the muffler. Small panels behind rear wheels that seal the cladding to the chassis are missing on both sides. I'm now convinced the car's been maintained well as I was initially expecting. It doesn't take long in the salty air for aluminum things to get a bit hairy so that and the tired and dirty interior had me wondering. I'm not nitpicking. I don't think it's been vacuumed in years. Seller mounted two of the worn out (down to the wear bars) directional tires backwards for transport. Fresh tires will help. When time allows, things will progress.
A couple weeks ago my silver car exhibited the first real issue in 9+ years of ownership. No start for lack of fuel. I was a couple minutes from asking for help here when I decided to take another closer look at the fuses. I had previously replaced about 2/3rds of them with copper ones I had on hand but forgot to follow up with the rest. None were blown so I gave the remaining aluminum ones a twist and...problem solved. More fuses tomorrow. If anyone hasn't changed their fuses to copper, do so. This hasn't been mentioned in a while.

drew

Trae
04-23-2016, 07:59 AM
Congrats Drew!

Can't wait to see the new addition the next time I am in ATL.

sheward
04-23-2016, 10:25 AM
I was hoping to see you the last time you were over at Johnathans but just couldn't make it!

drew

sheward
01-29-2017, 05:03 PM
Update: After a 1600 mile round trip in November and some recent day trips I'm very happy with the car. The suspension is actually in good shape with exception of the rear strut bushings which clunk loudly over bumps. The worn out backwards mounted tires which have been replaced with Pilot sports had me blaming suspension parts. The stock resonator and empty muffler can emit a great sound at speed without being intrusive and the transmission is shifting fine without evidence of any flare I thought I noticed once after delivery. Could have been lack of use. I noticed this car seemed to run cooler than normal almost never getting above 80 deg. I recently changed the coolant mix from mostly water (coming from Florida the mix was good to just 25 deg.) to something around 50/50 and saw a change in the operating temps to what most here would consider normal. Really happy with the car and looking forward to paint work, headliner, and assorted details in February.
I took an overnight trip yesterday and on the way home today encountered something unwelcome. As I was winding out 3rd gear under full throttle the accelerator pedal lost connection with the throttle body. At that speed I had ample time to make my way across 3 lanes of traffic and onto the shoulder. I found the accelerator working only from the last 3/4 of travel now with the engine running normally and idling fine. I was able to drive the car home this way without problem. No lights and the car is not in "limp mode". Re start has no effect and the transmission shifting is understandably effected. I'll check codes when I get a chance. Thoughts?

drew

jhodg5ck
01-29-2017, 05:19 PM
Update: After a 1600 mile round trip in November and some recent day trips I'm very happy with the car. The suspension is actually in good shape with exception of the rear strut bushings which clunk loudly over bumps. The worn out backwards mounted tires which have been replaced with Pilot sports had me blaming suspension parts. The stock resonator and empty muffler can emit a great sound at speed without being intrusive and the transmission is shifting fine without evidence of any flare I thought I noticed once after delivery. Could have been lack of use. I noticed this car seemed to run cooler than normal almost never getting above 80 deg. I recently changed the coolant mix from mostly water (coming from Florida the mix was good to just 25 deg.) to something around 50/50 and saw a change in the operating temps to what most here would consider normal. Really happy with the car and looking forward to paint work, headliner, and assorted details in February.
I took an overnight trip yesterday and on the way home today encountered something unwelcome. As I was winding out 3rd gear under full throttle the accelerator pedal lost connection with the throttle body. At that speed I had ample time to make my way across 3 lanes of traffic and onto the shoulder. I found the accelerator working only from the last 3/4 of travel now with the engine running normally and idling fine. I was able to drive the car home this way without problem. No lights and the car is not in "limp mode". Re start has no effect and the transmission shifting is understandably effected. I'll check codes when I get a chance. Thoughts?

drew
Sounds like a great trip!

Yup, limp home mode...doesn't Always come with lights. I'm sure there are some stored codes in there Somewhere.


Come on down, check out the new digs and we can put the HHT on her.

Jono

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sheward
01-29-2017, 06:14 PM
I really enjoyed the trip. I ran the car hard through better than 20 miles of twistys somewhere between Blue Ridge and Cleveland Tennessee. A guy in front of me in a Ford Escort was driving like Mika Hakkinin. After that I settled in for about 700 highway miles with a smile.
I didn't know that's what "limp mode" felt like. I've been looking forward to coming by. Now I have two reasons. Thanks.

drew

Jlaa
01-29-2017, 06:43 PM
Those 3pc (Carlsson?) wheels with the Spruce Green color --- what a looker.


I really enjoyed the trip. I ran the car hard through better than 20 miles of twistys somewhere between Blue Ridge and Cleveland Tennessee. A guy in front of me in a Ford Escort was driving like Mika Hakkinin.
drew

Oh my. So he was driving a slow car fast?? That must have been fun for him, and fun for you to watch! Was he driving a 1st generation Escort (GT models had a 110hp 1.9L from Ford) or was he driving the 2nd generation Mazda-built Escort (GT models had a 125 hp DOHC 1.8L from Mazda).

I don't know how I remember this arcane trivia.

sheward
01-29-2017, 07:38 PM
Yes, he was driving a slow car fast. It looked to be a newer model and I'm guessing he was local. He seemed to know the road well so I started taking cues from him. I was grinning much of the ride and was disappointed when he peeled off at the only road we passed.

The Carlssons will go on my silver car next as I swap various wheels around. Thanks for your compliment.

drew

8899
01-30-2017, 06:15 AM
I didn't know that's what "limp mode" felt like. I've been looking forward to coming by. Now I have two reasons. Thanks.drew

Interesting. I wouldn't recognize "limp mode" either if it happened to me. My first thought was that your throttle cable failed....a known maintenance item on our cars.

sheward
01-30-2017, 10:53 AM
I don't know why but I expected a full accelerator pedal with limited RPMs available. After more thought I suspect the transmission "kickdown" switch under the accelerator pedal is stuck or bad as the change occurred after a trans downshift under full throttle. This may also explain the reluctance to upshift readily during the ride home. The amount of sand and grunge down around the floorboards when I took possession would also support my suspicions.

drew

Klink
01-30-2017, 11:57 AM
In "limp home" mode the transmission control cable is subjected to the full displacement of the accelerator pedal, but the actual throttle is only subjected to about one third of the usual opening, and that takes place mechanically inside the throttle body after a large portion of the available linkage travel is already "used up", so to speak. That is the main reason that one of these cars in limp mode will be extremely reluctant to upshift: The engine power is greatly reduced at the same time that the transmission control cable is well extended.
Hence, believe it or not, the most common customer complaint when they are in limp throttle other than warning lights:
"It won't shift".....

gsxr
01-30-2017, 12:29 PM
I was not aware it was possible to have limp mode without any warning lights on the cluster! I've always had the yellow idiot lights come on.

:cel:

jhodg5ck
01-30-2017, 01:20 PM
In "limp home" mode the transmission control cable is subjected to the full displacement of the accelerator pedal, but the actual throttle is only subjected to about one third of the usual opening, and that takes place mechanically inside the throttle body after a large portion of the available linkage travel is already "used up", so to speak. That is the main reason that one of these cars in limp mode will be extremely reluctant to upshift: The engine power is greatly reduced at the same time that the transmission control cable is well extended.
Hence, believe it or not, the most common customer complaint when they are in limp throttle without any warning lights:
"It won't shift".....

Exactly..:) When you stop by drew I'll show you on an ETA that's on the shelf, it'll make sense w/ the bit in your hand..:)

jono

Klink
01-30-2017, 02:15 PM
I was not aware it was possible to have limp mode without any warning lights on the cluster! I've always had the yellow idiot lights come on.

:cel:

In almost all cases the ASR warning lamp will be illuminated, but I have heard some people say they have seen a limp mode without this occurring. I personally never have, unless the ASR lamp was already burned out, removed, or the bulb socket pigtail was not inserted into the instrument cluster. Of course, on those cars the scanner also revealed a fault code FOR the warning lamp...
:klink:

maw1124
01-30-2017, 02:52 PM
In "limp home" mode the transmission control cable is subjected to the full displacement of the accelerator pedal, but the actual throttle is only subjected to about one third of the usual opening, and that takes place mechanically inside the throttle body after a large portion of the available linkage travel is already "used up", so to speak. That is the main reason that one of these cars in limp mode will be extremely reluctant to upshift: The engine power is greatly reduced at the same time that the transmission control cable is well extended.
Hence, believe it or not, the most common customer complaint when they are in limp throttle other than warning lights:
"It won't shift".....

I didn't even know this car had limp mode, until I was on the freeway one day, up came the CEL, and more accelerator travel netted the most limp noodle response I'd ever experienced in a car. Pulled over, shut it down, restarted, fine. Repeated that procedure the rest of the way home. I think I was coming from Atlanta, somewhere between Gainesville and the FL Turnpike (so I had a couple hours left).

That turned out to be a simple neutral safety switch. These guys (500EBoard) spotted it for me, saved my guys a few hours (and me a few quid) hunting and pecking for the problem. They were like, "we need to scan it and figure out..." and I was like "no, you need to replace the neutral safety switch first, then if that doesn't work we'll talk."

;-D

maw

sheward
01-13-2018, 10:46 AM
Now that cold weather has arrived I've begun the disassembly of the green 036 for paint. I have read Derfurors helpful guidance on cladding removal and that's proceeding well. I'll be looking for help here as i go and the first question is what is the procedure for removing the door handles? I'll post various pictures as i go specifically of procedures i cannot locate here.

drew

JC220
01-13-2018, 10:53 AM
Now that cold weather has arrived I've begun the disassembly of the green 036 for paint. I have read Derfurors helpful guidance on cladding removal and that's proceeding well. I'll be looking for help here as i go and the first question is what is the procedure for removing the door handles? I'll post various pictures as i go specifically of procedures i cannot locate here.

drew

Removal of the door handles is described fairly well in the link below;

https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Mercedes-W124/126-BODY-Exterior_Door_Handle_and_Tumbler_Replacement/126-BODY-Exterior_Door_Handle_and_Tumbler_Replacement.htm

I would recommend removing the small grub screws completely and storing them carefully. A zip lock bag with the hardware specific for each door is ideal.

sheward
01-13-2018, 11:16 AM
Very clever. Typical Mercedes. Thanks for the link! Now i'm wondering about the rears. Maybe it will be apparent with the door panel off.

drew

JC220
01-13-2018, 11:37 AM
Very clever. Typical Mercedes. Thanks for the link! Now i'm wondering about the rears. Maybe it will be apparent with the door panel off.

drew

The rears are just the same deal Drew- only there is no Key obviously just a blank ‘block’ which is extracted first when released by the grub screw

sheward
01-13-2018, 11:43 AM
BTW... another owner gave me a helpful tip that the rear handles can be swapped side to side so that the upper more UV exposed sides of the handles end up facing down. I believe the fronts cannot. It will become apparent when i remove them.

drew