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500ESpain
02-10-2010, 06:16 AM
Anyone know if it's an easy fit? How is it attached to the rear shelf? No european w124 has this light but I'd like to install one in my car.

Thanks!

gsxr
02-10-2010, 08:42 AM
The light slides on to a special mounting bracket, which is different depending on if the car has a rear window roller blind or not. Bolt up & wire the bracket, and the light just slips into place.

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500ESpain
02-10-2010, 11:20 AM
Thanks, Dave. My car does have a roller blid. Those pictures are from a light now for sale on ebay. Do you think that one will fit my car?

I've also read "make sure to specify the base length. Euro's have levelled backboards so you need the 'short' base. While U.S. specs have recessed backboards so you need the 'long/tall' base." in Benzworld, but as far as I know, no european car came with a third brake light installed.

I understand that I'll need that mounting bracket. Is that bracket underneath the shelf or I'd need to get one too?

Thanks for your help (and once again sorry about my english, maybe is hard for you to understand my questions).

gsxr
02-10-2010, 07:31 PM
I happen to have photos of the mounting bracket for models with the roller blind - see attached. The part numbers are in the EPC for North American 500E models, and also in SA 56668 (Additional Stop Light). I am not sure about the backboards... you may have to check into the EPC and compare your car with the North American version, and see if the part numbers are the same. I thought that as long as you have a roller blind, it would be the same, but I'm not certain...

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500ESpain
02-14-2010, 06:21 AM
Thanks!

DarkStar
01-18-2011, 11:18 AM
My bulb went out in the third brake light. So I read the forums, decided I had to be extra careful.

As I approached the lamp, I noticed the small tabs were pushed out a bit like they were not seated fully, so I gently tried to pry the cover off....both tabs fell off immediately!
Took the complete unit out and noticed the red lens was showing signs of melting!
One of the spring tabs used to hold the unit to the base also cracked while moving it....Texas Sun is HARSH!!

Too bad someone has not designed an LED version of this lamp. I may try to find a universal unit that would mount to the window but my fear is that it will cause problems with the bulb sensing circuit.

I called dealer, only color available was "DATE", expected to be told BLACK was only available color....My interior is Cream Beige, could probably live with Black.
Doubt it is easy to get a vinyl spray dye or paint for plastic to match the Cream Beige...any suggestions or sources?

Thanks !

Christian_K
01-18-2011, 02:22 PM
Wow me wants thiiisss toooo! :-)
I have no roller blind in back (unfortunately), i will keep my eyes open for good offers over ebay.

DarkStar
01-18-2011, 03:35 PM
I found a great LED light made by HELLA. It attaches to the glass.
They have 3 different items for varying angles of glass.
Fastback
Sedan
Wagon

Available from Daniel Stern for about $64

Pictured is the Sedan model 38

I've heard the LED bulbs are not very good for using in a Third Brake Light as a substitute for standard 21W bulb. A dedicated design that used the factory housing would be my first choice.

DarkStar
01-20-2011, 01:27 PM
Found a source for BLACK, GRAY and CREAM (color code 8326)

Going to Order the CREAM and see if it matches....dealer told me that was the color code I needed
for my Cream Beige interior

gsxr
01-20-2011, 01:50 PM
Found a source for BLACK, GRAY and CREAM (color code 8326)

Uh, I believe 8326 will be Palomino, and code 8412 is Cream-Beige, for models through 1993. Most likely you'll get a Palomino item - wrong color. Might want to check your data source again....

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Jimbo
02-04-2011, 10:19 AM
I was able to get a cream-beige lite unit (complete) last summer from MB....for some reason tho the color code for my 1992 of 8F33 sticks in my head...I'll have to dig out the old box now to check it.

I wouldn't doubt tho if they supercede many parts to black now...OE cream-biege 500E stuff is very hard to locate nowadays.

Jimbo
02-04-2011, 10:22 AM
I've heard the LED bulbs are not very good for using in a Third Brake Light as a substitute for standard 21W bulb. A dedicated design that used the factory housing would be my first choice.


Why are they no good? LEDs burn much cooler than conventional bulbs.

gsxr
02-04-2011, 10:54 AM
Why are they no good? LEDs burn much cooler than conventional bulbs.
Probably lower lumens (less light output). ???

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gerryvz
02-04-2011, 11:13 AM
I don't think lower output is necessarily the answer. Modern cars have largely gone to LEDs for the third brake lights - arrays of them, anyway. From what I can see, they are pretty bloody bright!!

Cheers,
Gerry

gsxr
02-04-2011, 11:52 AM
Arrays, yes. But I'm not sure if the aftermarket #1156 LED replacement bulbs are adequate when only a single one is used.

Also, the stock bulb sits vertically; aren't LED's usually directional? If so, the LED #1156 would have the light pointing up, not out, which would make it worse when used for a W124 third brake light.

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Jimbo
02-07-2011, 02:50 PM
I think now there are specific LEDs for specific types of applications....trouble is finding the quality one amongst the junk. They do pop on really bright....its noticeable vs. the old standard bulbs.

Dave ,my 3rd brake lite unit is indeed the 001 820 41 56 '8412' (cream biege)...not sure why this 8F33 number is in my head. I actually have 2 NIB. I'll have to check if they truly are NLA... has anyone confirmed this or the parts guy was just to lazy to try a few ordering codes?

gerryvz
02-08-2011, 11:28 AM
My own third brake light bulb just burned out and I replaced it on Sunday after sourcing a new Osram bulb from my local O'Reilly's Auto Parts. It is a common size so easy to find.

Replacing the bulb was interesting. one of the two tabs came out just fine, but the left (passenger) side tab of the reflector mechanism just didn't want to come off. I carefully tried to pry it loose with a small stubby flat-blade screwdriver, but still couldn't work it out enough to come off. Finally I did, but of course it snapped off! I glued it back with Gorilla Glue Super Glue and it seemed to hold, and I replaced the reflector after doing the bulb. Tabs snapped back into place just fine. Of course, I'm not satisfied so will probably throw a new reflector on my next parts order, after I research the part number and such.

The thing is that the brakelight is subjected to so much UV and temp extremes, that it is probably almost impossible NOT to break a tab unless the most extreme amount of care is used in removing it. I did my best but still ended up breaking one tab off. If anyone has a fail-safe method, please post it here. No one would ever notice the glue job I did, but I will always know it is there so at some point soon will try to source a replacement.

Also, it's a good idea when you remove the third light to take some glass cleaner and clean the area under the rubber gasket of the lens assembly and the while rear window area back there.

If I remember correctly, the bulb is an Osram 7529.

http://www.elightbulbs.com/catpics/miniature/75290.jpg

Cheers,
Gerry

Ron500E
02-08-2011, 11:54 AM
I have a NOS 3rd brake light, with roller blind, base as seen in Daves first 2 pics.
The number is A124 820 0382 (8412 -Cream) which the EPC verifies for the 124-036 pre 5/95.
It is also used on a few other cars including the 126 series 560 SEL.
Which explains why the "W124" is above the "W126" on the back.

It was produced by Tabelle in 10/95 and their internal number is 179 820. It is in the typical Mercedes-Benz bag with the label stuck on.

I hope this useless information helps someone, somewhere...
Kind Regards,

Ron

Zuffenhausen
02-10-2015, 08:30 PM
Is the third brake light still available in black?

gsxr
02-10-2015, 09:41 PM
Is the third brake light still available in black?
Yup:

http://partssearch.mercedes-benz-classic.com/parts/A00182041567007

600Eric
02-10-2015, 09:48 PM
Is the third brake light still available in black?
As GSXR said yes they still have Black but that is it. All other colors were NLA with zero stock left in Germany when I to buy mine recently.

emerydc8
02-10-2015, 10:50 PM
I don't think lower output is necessarily the answer. Modern cars have largely gone to LEDs for the third brake lights - arrays of them, anyway. From what I can see, they are pretty bloody bright!!


Those new LED brake lights are a safety hazard, IMHO. I don't know what they were thinking when they engineered them. Am I the only one whose vision is adversely affected after looking at them and looking away?

Zuffenhausen
02-11-2015, 06:49 PM
So can I order a black one from a MB dealer or do I have to get it somewhere else?

emerydc8
02-11-2015, 07:30 PM
I just ordered one of these in black from Skyland Auto in NC. If you have the rear roller blind, you have to get console #35 instead of #32 in the attached diagram. Also, you have to put 7007 after the part number for black. For instance, the console w/roller blind (#35) in black would be 124 820 03 82 7007 ($19.50). You will also need to order the cover (#29), which will be part 000 820 1049 7007 ($58.50), and the lamp assembly (#28) which is 001 820 4156 7007 ($118).

The light bulb and rubber seal for the window came with my lamp assembly. If you are going to mount it under the hat rack you may also need the four spring washers (#38) which are only .90 each.

Tracy at Skyland was really helpful. They do free shipping for orders over $50 and she got it out quickly without having to talk to anyone on the phone. Check it out

http://www.oediscountparts.com/partlocator/index.cfm?siteid=215242

tracy@skylandauto.net

Zuffenhausen
02-11-2015, 08:19 PM
is (#29), part #000 820 1049 7007 correct?

emerydc8
02-11-2015, 10:35 PM
29 A 000 820 10 49 . CAP
. ADDITIONAL STOP LIGHT
. [831, 903] Color footnote
001

29 A 000 820 10 49 CAP
ADDITIONAL STOP LIGHT
[840, 904] Color footnote
001

Correct. The 7007 suffix is for the black.

Zuffenhausen
02-16-2015, 10:14 PM
So I can add the last four of 7007 for all interior pieces to come in black?

gsxr
02-17-2015, 10:08 AM
So I can add the last four of 7007 for all interior pieces to come in black?
NO. The four-digit suffix is different for each part. You have to look up the part in the EPC and read the footnote.

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bryanjchen
09-13-2015, 10:17 AM
Can anyone confirm whether the third brake light for W126 with roller blinds will fit the W124 with roller blinds. There is one for sale locally, and the seller says that it is from a W126 but can't provide part numbers. Thanks.

gerryvz
09-13-2015, 11:59 AM
The 126 and 126 brake lights are different. It will not fit.

lowman
10-03-2015, 06:33 PM
The 126 and 126 brake lights are different. It will not fit.


oh really..you dont say " ...Laughs" :)

nocfn
10-03-2015, 07:57 PM
Doh. My 126 light has been glued at least 3 times since 2011.

8899
08-03-2016, 08:08 AM
Too bad someone has not designed an LED version of this lamp. I may try to find a universal unit that would mount to the window but my fear is that it will cause problems with the bulb sensing circuit.

I installed this bulb into my Third Brake Light assembly:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009FTLPB0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It is plenty bright and not directional...so it works well. The problem, however, is that since the bulb does not pull much electric current, it trips the Bulb Failure idiot light in the instrument cluster.

Trae
09-12-2016, 07:57 PM
Just replaced this bulb on the 93' 500E.

Be extremely careful when prying the two plastic tabs.

I was able to do it without breaking them, BUT I believe the PO must have replaced the light because the plastic was not very brittle.