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    AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Hello,
    everybody nows the problem with the - AMG Aero 3pc by OZ Racing - Centers and cracking.

    Now here is the new alternative:

    Brand New Centers made out of EN AW 6082 T6 (AlSi1MgMn), completely CNC maschined!
    Look like "AMG/OZ"

    Highest quality, CAD-CAM designed & FEM checked and optimized!
    Every Center will be custom made to order!

    Centers available for:
    - 8.5x17" et30
    - 8.5x17" et18
    - 9.5x17" et24
    - 10.0x17" et17

    Standart Colours: Metallic Silver, Metallic Gold, White, Black, Gunmetal, Titanium and Red.

    As well you can have complete Rims, with Outer Barrels in ALLOY or in STAINLESS, inside Barrels will be Alloy, all Barrels are "Made in Germany".
    Different colors of screws or STAINLESS. Completely mounted or as Kit.

    Contact here or AMGaeroRep@gmail.com


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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Nice,

    I wonder if they will try to make 18s?
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    18-19" can be done too.. if some people want them! Have do work out perfect offset etc.
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Very nice machining! How much center piece costs? And how much it weights? Is there significant weight diffrence between orginal forged and your machined version? Or are these also forged?

    You just have to add AMG lettering like in OEM center pieces

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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Very nice! Any word on pricing, or weight of the complete replica wheels?


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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    i would def take 18"s

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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Looks great!

    Smart to not have the AMG logo to avoid conflicting the MB branding.

    FEM analyis is promising to get TÜV approval.

    The choice of barrel sizes reminds me about Pertsch & Partner, any cooperation?
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    If 18"'s were to become available, would you just make 18" barrels? Or would you proportionately make the centers bigger too?

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    lovely, but sans AMG in there it's a gonna be hard to make the appeal to a Lot of your potential market.

    I'd go the ask for forgiveness later route..besides, you'll be doing AMG not ///AMG Worth a shot IMHO!

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    AMG on the face. Replica in small font of the back?
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    The center it self is 150g or 0,33lbs lighter than OZ. Not forget, but "T6 - Solution heat treated and artificially aged"

    Complete weight of 8,5x17 with STAINLESS outside Barrel is 10,5kg/23,1lbs and 10x17 is 10,6kg/23,4.
    (Original 8,5x17 is 10,5kg/23,1lbs with ALLOY outside Barrel)

    With Alloy Barrels they will be little bit lighter. But a lot more work to keep shiny! And not strong like the STAINLESS ones:


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    If, the 18" will be a completely different center with perfect offset and 18" barrels, but I will not Start that for one set.

    No cooperation with P&P, Centers a Designed by a friend how makes racing Rims for over 30years! Barrels are made in Germany. Centers in West-EU.

    I will not Start to do them with AMG Logo, you can have them unpainted and do then what ever you want!

    Price, will be coming soon.. depends on what you want! Have to work that out...that's the "prepost" in this forum, because I love my 500e and you guys
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    I like, esp. for my set of 8.5x17" et30's.

    However, when I had these taken apart and widened to 10x17 (new outer rim-half, same inside rim-half) by an OZ dealer, we reused the center, and the fitment is PERFECT!

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    Do you have 10" wide rims all around?
    Quote Originally Posted by M104-AMG View Post
    I like, esp. for my set of 8.5x17" et30's.

    However, when I had these taken apart and widened to 10x17 (new outer rim-half, same inside rim-half) by an OZ dealer, we reused the center, and the fitment is PERFECT!

    neil

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    I would be in for a set of 18's

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    I would be in for a set of 17" and a set of 18".

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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    I'm in for 18"s

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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Quote Originally Posted by bb1 View Post
    Price, will be coming soon.. depends on what you want! Have to work that out...
    Pricing worked out yet? Ballpark estimates would be helpful.


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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Center Price per Piece — 459 euro for Size:

    - 8.5x17" et30
    - 8.5x17" et18
    - 9.5x17" et24
    - 10.0x17" et17

    Standart Colours: Metallic Silver, Metallic Gold, White, Black, Gunmetal, Titanium and Red or unpainted.



    Complett Rim Price per Piece (Center, 2 Barrels, Chrom Screws, Valve) completely mounted:
    (Gold, Black or Stainless Screws, please ask about Price)


    Outer Barrel: Alloy -- Stainless

    - 8.5x17" et30 — 895 euro -- no Stainless Available
    - 8.5x17" et18 — 865 euro -- 940 euro
    - 9.5x17" et24 — 885 euro -- 955 euro
    - 10.0x17" et17 — 895 euro -- 965 euro

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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Are these wheels a 2 piece or 3 piece construction? If they are a 3 piece design can we get the prices on the Inner Barrel as well?

    Also is the hardware to assemble the wheels included in the price of the center piece? If not please provide the cost of the hardware as well.

    Finally, for those in the USA are these prices FOB FL or Germany?

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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    3 Piece construction, complete Price is for outside Barrel (Alloy or Stainless), inside Barrel in Alloy, Chrom Screws, Tire Valve, Wheel Bolts.

    Price is for center piece only, but can work out something!

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    Shipping to USA in Premium Box - 250€
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhodg5ck View Post
    lovely, but sans AMG in there it's a gonna be hard to make the appeal to a Lot of your potential market.

    I'd go the ask for forgiveness later route..besides, you'll be doing AMG not ///AMG Worth a shot IMHO!

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    Agreed. I've got everything I need to put together a staggered set of these except for centers for the rears. These look great, I'd order a pair if they had the logo.

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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    You can order them UNPAINTED and/or unlabeld on the back too and do what you want with the "Logo".. no problem for a CNC Maschine Guy to do that

    But from my side....no Logo!

    Bevor i drive old crappy and maybe cracked centers, I stay without Logo.... (the quality of the AMG Logo was anyway more than crappy made)
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Quote Originally Posted by bb1 View Post
    You can order them UNPAINTED and/or unlabeld on the back too and do what you want with the "Logo".. no problem for a CNC Maschine Guy to do that

    But from my side....no Logo!

    Bevor i drive old crappy and maybe cracked centers, I stay without Logo.... (the quality of the AMG Logo was anyway more than crappy made)
    I like your approach! Intellectual property is real property...thanks for holding up this ideal. GLWS

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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Quote Originally Posted by 500AMM View Post
    Looks great!

    Smart to not have the AMG logo to avoid conflicting the MB branding.

    FEM analyis is promising to get TÜV approval.

    The choice of barrel sizes reminds me about Pertsch & Partner, any cooperation?

    well...yes...BUT the design itself could also be of a problem.IF the "wrong" people would see the wheels.
    i know that the Larzon Classic rims was "taken of the market" because of them beeing "the same" design..as the monoblocks...and they had to redo them in a "Classic 2" design..to avoid conflict from Mercedes/Amg.


    But ..aaawesome looking centers anyways.Great machining.
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    I'm not an intellectual property expert, but I think (in the US at least) there are far fewer protections for designs than there are for things like names and logos. That's why you have "reproductions" of things like a Florence Knoll sofa with some minor differences from the real thing for 10% of the price. And why Zara and H&M can see what Gucci etc. are putting on the runway and then pump out their "interpretation" in a couple of weeks without a problem. But if the reproduction sofa manufacturer puts the Florence Knoll name on that sofa, or if Zara puts a Gucci label on those clothes, someones gonna get sued--and lose.

    If I were bb1 and I wanted to keep my business, I'd keep "AMG" far away from the wheels. Or take the route favored in China and stamp on "ANG"! Err, maybe not.

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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Having gone down the road of securing a patent, the way it was explained to me by my lawyer is:

    "Design (as opposed to utility) patents are harder to enforce. Think of a design of a boat that gets patented where the sides are at a 35 degree angle from the deck. If someone were to copy that same design and change the angle to 38 degrees would technically not be violating the patent. That is why companies like Coca-Cola copyright their bottle design."

    I hope that helps.


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    And I'm so close to take them off the market... I worked out new centers, because I was tired off having old crappy cracked ones for my self for a lot of money!
    When I can have better, new ONS for the same money, or old rebuild ones.... they need most times new barrels, sandblasting, paint or powder coat them, new bolts, nuts etc.

    I advertised them, because a lot off people liked them and I now, there are not a lot off options in design and period correct look for our old MB's. "Bling Bling China" is no option for me!
    But my time is limited and I will not deal with any "AMG Problems" and i'm getting tired off emails like: "why are the sooooooo expensive, China/Mexico can make them for 1/4 off the price etc." => good luck with finding them!

    Sooo, what can I say...?
    Find old crappy AMG ones and maybe happy cracking?
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Finally "Black" ones... going on a Black Bauty

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    Wow, those look good! Wouldn't mind a pair myself..
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    Quote Originally Posted by bb1 View Post
    Finally "Black" ones... going on a Black Bauty

    hehe
    im sorry ..but my car already has the black centered Amg 3piece wheels ( Hence my car car "Black Beauty"
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    Does anyone have any horror stories of riding rims with cracks on centers?
    What kind of things happed, rims falling off?.....

    Quote Originally Posted by bb1 View Post
    You can order them UNPAINTED and/or unlabeld on the back too and do what you want with the "Logo".. no problem for a CNC Maschine Guy to do that

    But from my side....no Logo!

    Bevor i drive old crappy and maybe cracked centers, I stay without Logo.... (the quality of the AMG Logo was anyway more than crappy made)

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    I have been heavily into the AMG/Oz 3 piece rims for years and all my Mercs run them and i have never had issues with them cracking.
    Due to their AMG status and being so rare and also my cars are my hobby they are not daily drivers and they don't get treated like shit and i always take care driving my Mercs around on weekends.
    My rims always run correct ballseat lug bolts and shop rattle guns is a dirty word on my world (always done by hand to the correct torque specs) and i do remove my rims from time to time to give them a thorough clean from build up of brake dust. I dread how many ended up being bolted up with incorrect cone-seat lug bolts which are more common on rims.

    I would also hate to think how in other countries in past lives the owners of Mercs with these rims bolted up have treated their cars as in smacking road bumps/ditches/potholes etc at speed and when scraping curbs when parking putting undue strain on the rims and in general flogging their cars - there were wealthy people who could only afford these cars in the past from new who had no real respect and flogged them hard because they went very fast compared to anything else back in day and that is what they did.

    I would hate to think how much past abuse some of these rims with cracks have sustained that surfaced later in life for sale out of wrecking yards and placed back on the market in the fleabag trade.
    Sadly many unscrupulous re-sellers tried to cover up the cracked ones by bog filling and painting over the cracks to the unwary buyer and it created a bad name for them.

    This idea of a replacement centre for a cracked one is a good idea if you were stuck sourcing a replacement centre and pleasing to see you went all the way in getting it done and offering it now to the public
    But for purists it always has to be original AMG stuff and not copies as that it what drives demand and price
    For those who don't care and a look-a-like is good enough they go for cheap crap made in China and want a set of complete rims for under $500 so good luck to them
    Any 3 piece rim forged rim is always going to cost at least $1k or more (sometimes a lot more) per rim - although as you say yours are not forged but instead T6 heat treated centres but even so your price is right.

    I had my white coupe and my midnight blue 560SEL at a big annual car event last weekend and i could not believe the amount of pro photographers taking interest in the rims and setting up their cameras at low level to take pics of the AMG/OZ rims at all sorts of angles to catch every detail of the rim and asking me so many questions about them. They like to know about AMG's history
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Production stopped! Not longer available...
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    None left?!? We had a set here and I was Really impressed!! Beautifully made, surprisingly light...Nicely done on all counts.

    Any possibility of them coming back from the dead if a certain # of orders were confirmed?

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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    how many sets are out there, any pics from customers
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    None left?!? We had a set here and I was Really impressed!! Beautifully made, surprisingly light...Nicely done on all counts.

    Any possibility of them coming back from the dead if a certain # of orders were confirmed?

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    For the 500e Board and there cars, everything is possible! if asked nicely and People are reading Prices first...
    That Post in this Forum, is the last one, i keep up.. all others are deleted!

    There will be MAYBE a run for 18" in the classic Design.

    Under 20 sets are out there!


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    There will be MAYBE a run for 18" in the classic Design.

    On my R129 with Stainless Outside Barrel:
    Just checking to see if I understand correctly, when you say "18" in the classic Design", I take it your talking about an 18 inch 3 piece wheel similar in appearance to the 17" OZ Aero I's.

    I may be interested if that's the case. A wheel that would fit both 129's and E500E's...

    Love the pic's of your 97, the wheels look great.. and thanks for the consideration for 500Eboards members, it's appreciated...

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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Quote Originally Posted by outrbnks View Post
    Just checking to see if I understand correctly, when you say "18" in the classic Design", I take it your talking about an 18 inch 3 piece wheel similar in appearance to the 17" OZ Aero I's.

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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    i really dont need a set but i feel i should buy a set just out of principle

    so out of all of the sets you had produced, what is the ratio of alloy vs stainless

    and can u tell us the weight difference between them
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    2 Sets with Alloy, rest went with Stainless Barrels!

    Never Checked the Alloy ones for weight, little bit lighter to same weight. (Alloy is way thicker than the Stainless)
    The new Stainless ones are same weight than original OZ.

    "Complete weight of 8,5x17 with STAINLESS outside Barrel is 10,5kg/23,1lbs and 10x17 is 10,6kg/23,4.
    Original 8,5x17 is 10,5kg/23,1lbs with ALLOY outside Barrel"
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Quote Originally Posted by bb1 View Post
    "Complete weight of 8,5x17 with STAINLESS outside Barrel is 10,5kg/23,1lbs and 10x17 is 10,6kg/23,4.
    Original 8,5x17 is 10,5kg/23,1lbs with ALLOY outside Barrel"
    That is pretty impressive for the size! Most newer AMG 18" or 19" wheels in similar width are easily 2-5 pounds heavier.


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    Thx Jono... i heard you loved them! and the "Owner" is very Happy with them too.. He maybe has some Pics of his 500?!?!
    Every Set i made, was costum order, nothing in Stock!

    For the 500e Board and there cars, everything is possible! if asked nicely and People are reading Prices first...
    That Post in this Forum, is the last one, i keep up.. all others are deleted!

    There will be MAYBE a run for 18" in the classic Design.

    Under 20 sets are out there!


    On my R129 with Stainless Outside Barrel:
    I have some pics...I'll post them up here shortly. But yes, I was Impressed with the build quality and Weight! Much lighter then the original bits.

    Really do hope you make some 18's...we'll be in for at least a couple sets minimum


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    i would just buy a set to put on wall of garage as 3 D art........
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    I would be 100% interested in a set of

    10x17 ET17 8.5x17 ET18

    If any one made one and will not be using or if anyway production continues!!!
    please let me know!

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    I would be 100% interested in a set of

    10x17 ET17 8.5x17 ET18

    If any one made one and will not be using or if anyway production continues!!!
    please let me know!
    Those came and went sadly....didn't know it was a limited time and availability was a factor
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    I don’t understand why these are unavailable anywhere! Even knockoffs? It seems there is a huge market for them. Guess price is just too high?!? So frustrating

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    I don’t understand why these are unavailable anywhere! Even knockoffs? It seems there is a huge market for them. Guess price is just too high?!? So frustrating
    They're available...they just Cost $$$....and finding sets that are Not hiding nasty cracks is Difficult...

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    Yea I have a beautiful refirbed set but I don’t trust cracks were fixed correctly. I meant I didn’t understand why centers haven’t been reproduced by anyone consistently. I am bringing them to an amazing CNC shop tomorrow to see what the cost would be to fab some in the alloys mentioned above. I’m assuming not cost efficient but how bad do I want to use these wheels lol!

    I really want to use these but don’t know how bad it would be to use if the ones I have are already cracked and not repaired correctly. Is it a disaster waiting to happen or just a cracked wheel? (Which admittingly sounds bad now that I say it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostc60 View Post
    Yea I have a beautiful refirbed set but I don’t trust cracks were fixed correctly. I meant I didn’t understand why centers haven’t been reproduced by anyone consistently. I am bringing them to an amazing CNC shop tomorrow to see what the cost would be to fab some in the alloys mentioned above. I’m assuming not cost efficient but how bad do I want to use these wheels lol!

    I really want to use these but don’t know how bad it would be to use if the ones I have are already cracked and not repaired correctly. Is it a disaster waiting to happen or just a cracked wheel? (Which admittingly sounds bad now that I say it)
    Imho it is impossible to repair them correctly. I sent a set of 8.5 faces to a fellow up at Grumman to see if they had a means to repair them satisfactorily.

    After a good hard look He suggested I fix them with a band saw.

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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Everybody says, there is are market for them.. but not a lot of people want to spend money for this Rims..
    „Cheap China Thinking“

    Same here.. asked a good Shop for crack repair.. told me: just decoration!

    For the 500 drivers here.. I do still Rims/Centers, but with delivery time..

    For the 18“ ones: you all want MB Specs for Offset, like the R129 Rims or perfect fit for 500 Body?
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Quote Originally Posted by bb1 View Post
    Everybody says, there is are market for them.. but not a lot of people want to spend money for this Rims..
    „Cheap China Thinking“

    Same here.. asked a good Shop for crack repair.. told me: just decoration!

    For the 500 drivers here.. I do still Rims/Centers, but with delivery time..

    For the 18“ ones: you all want MB Specs for Offset, like the R129 Rims or perfect fit for 500 Body?

    What im looking for are new centers. I’m checking if our CNC shop here can make me new ones, not repair. They are 10x17et17 & 8.5x10et18 for a r107 euro 500sl which has already been prepped (fenders rolled & checked for clearance). The shop here makes a majority for the defence dept and national labs so I’m hoping they can/will. Yes I’m sure price is not cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostc60 View Post
    What im looking for are new centers. I’m checking if our CNC shop here can make me new ones, not repair. They are 10x17et17 & 8.5x10et18 for a r107 euro 500sl which has already been prepped (fenders rolled & checked for clearance). The shop here makes a majority for the defence dept and national labs so I’m hoping they can/will. Yes I’m sure price is not cheap.
    not a Problem with "new" centers only...
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    Perfect fit for the 50e.
    Quote Originally Posted by bb1 View Post
    Everybody says, there is are market for them.. but not a lot of people want to spend money for this Rims..
    „Cheap China Thinking“

    Same here.. asked a good Shop for crack repair.. told me: just decoration!

    For the 500 drivers here.. I do still Rims/Centers, but with delivery time..

    For the 18“ ones: you all want MB Specs for Offset, like the R129 Rims or perfect fit for 500 Body?

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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    just checking in to see if there are any updates on 17s in the future
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    just checking in to see if there are any updates on 17s in the future
    what do you mean with "updates"?
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    Will you start production again
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    Re: AMG/OZ 17" Center - Replica

    If you want a set, contact me still do them for the 500e People on request.. just have two sets in line for costumers
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    ok, i have your email from previous discussion, i will reach out. thanks
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