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    They are 18" with 225/45s up front, with the lorinser springs the rubbing was not great even with heavily rolled fenders. The H&Rs are much more reasonable and work nicely. The oil supply fitting is a 16mm to 4AN, straight thread 16mm with a copper washer. The om606 oil feed boss is large and flat perfect for a crush washer.

    The super wagon has been running and driving great, just rolled over 1200 miles so the "new car break in" is done. The methanol injection with Snow 50/50 boost juice made a very noticeable increase in power. Will be headed off to the body shop in the very near future for its 036 Widebody transformation, then meatier tires and more boost
    Did you use v8 4 bolt flex discs? I need to go back through the thread.

    The outer axle shafts apparently fail at the splines with serious tires. I am looking for a usable factory hub with larger splines to have some custom half shafts made with the larger knuckle and splines on both ends.

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    Quote Originally Posted by atg View Post
    Did you use v8 4 bolt flex discs? I need to go back through the thread.

    The outer axle shafts apparently fail at the splines with serious tires. I am looking for a usable factory hub with larger splines to have some custom half shafts made with the larger knuckle and splines on both ends.

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    And thanks very much for the information.

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    Quote Originally Posted by atg View Post
    The outer axle shafts apparently fail at the splines with serious tires. I am looking for a usable factory hub with larger splines to have some custom half shafts made with the larger knuckle and splines on both ends.
    How serious do the tires have to be to cause the spline failure? Are we talking Pilot street tires on the street, or Hoosier drag radials at the track with VHT?

    Also, does the failure tend to be at initial launch (zero mph), or at speed at the power peak during a shift, etc?


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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

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    How serious do the tires have to be to cause the spline failure? Are we talking Pilot street tires on the street, or Hoosier drag radials at the track with VHT?

    Also, does the failure tend to be at initial launch (zero mph), or at speed at the power peak during a shift, etc?

    Serious enough to provide any traction before 3rd gear at 60mph. Which practically speaking means Hoosier drag radials, like a 265 rear.

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

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    Serious enough to provide any traction before 3rd gear at 60mph. Which practically speaking means Hoosier drag radials, like a 265 rear.

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    Although I believe they have failed on street cars also.

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

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    Although I believe they have failed on street cars also.

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    That dude in Norway had one fail in 3rd gear during a pull with street tires.

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    Got the vented 036 fender back from the custom metal shop, looking very good


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    A bit wider than stock
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    Also got the full 3" stainless exhaust finished, complete with electric cutout

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    It is going in for the rear 1/4 panels this week then finally off to the bodyshop, who will have their hands full making everything just right with all these trash angel 036 parts

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

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    Got the vented 036 fender back from the custom metal shop, looking very good


    It is going in for the rear 1/4 panels this week then finally off to the bodyshop, who will have their hands full making everything just right with all these trash angel 036 parts
    Where do you buy your sanitary tubing? Regular rolled 300d fenders work fine; mine rubs only on the liner right front on deep compression.

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    Quote Originally Posted by atg View Post
    Regular rolled 300d fenders work fine; mine rubs only on the liner right front on deep compression.
    Standard fenders may clear most larger wheels, but they are not widebody, and also have a different shape on the wheel arch. Blair is installing a complete 500E front end, plus 500E rear flared fenders too... complete widebody treatment.


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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

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    Standard fenders may clear most larger wheels, but they are not widebody, and also have a different shape on the wheel arch. Blair is installing a complete 500E front end, plus 500E rear flared fenders too... complete widebody treatment.

    Oh I see. I recall Russell doing something similar in seattle but I am wondering if doing so would actually solve any problems or is just to win the parking lot wars.

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

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    Oh I see. I recall Russell doing something similar in seattle but I am wondering if doing so would actually solve any problems or is just to win the parking lot wars.
    It allows fitting MUCH wider wheels/tires in the rear, and moderately wider up front. And IMO, it looks soooo much better than non-widebody, but as always looks are in the eye of the beer holder...


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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    Ok so what size tire do you figure fits the rear on an 036 that wont fit an e420?

    And are the inner fender liners on the front really that different?

    Im not sure the front fender flare on the 036 is any bigger than what rolling a stock fender can produce. Seems like there are some body spacers involved, but those could be added to stock fenders, could they not?

    I guess without knowing what the goals are it is hard to say what sort of effort is justified.



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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    The stock fenders were rolled as much as possible, even to the point of deforming the arch with so much pull. No way you could get anywhere near 036 fender clearance. There’s enough room to have dinner in the wheel wells now, should be able to fit a 20-30mm wider tire without issue.

    Just the awesome look alone is worth the effort, at least in a super wagon such as this

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

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    Ok so what size tire do you figure fits the rear on an 036 that wont fit an e420? And are the inner fender liners on the front really that different?

    Im not sure the front fender flare on the 036 is any bigger than what rolling a stock fender can produce. Seems like there are some body spacers involved, but those could be added to stock fenders, could they not?

    I guess without knowing what the goals are it is hard to say what sort of effort is justified.
    On a standard 124, pretty much the reasonable limit is an 8.5" wheel on all four corners, with significant fender massaging & spacers required (AMG doc here). Note AMG also specs a travel-limiting strut shaft spacer up front as well to avoid rubbing under compression. Also, AMG specs a 235 tire, and a 245 is probably the max that would work, with a higher numerical offset wheel. At the risk of pissing off a lot of people, I'm going on record that I don't consider stretching a 205-section tire over a 9+ inch wheel as "fitting" on the car.

    So, on the E500E, bone stock it can fit 10.5" wheels in the rear with 285 tires, and 9.0 up front with 255 tires. This assumes the correct offset, of course. Zero rubbing, zero modifications. Some people have gone even wider.

    The 036 fender flares are MUCH bigger than what you can get by rolling stock 124 fenders.


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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    Ok maybe I will make a plan to put them on. I have to repaint my fenders anyway, so might as well paint bigger ones. Will keep an eye on the web for a carcass.

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

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    Did you swap the radiator support also? Thanks.

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

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    Did you swap the radiator support also? Thanks.

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    I must be missing something, why would I swap the radiator support?

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

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    I must be missing something, why would I swap the radiator support?
    I'm guessing he means the lower radiator support, which is totally different on the .036 chassis.


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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

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    I must be missing something, why would I swap the radiator support?
    I have never seen a 500e, so it is all a bit mysterious. Above, someone said you were swapping the whole front end, but I'm not sure what that includes, to wit:

    "Blair is installing a complete 500E front end, plus 500E rear flared fenders too... complete widebody treatment."

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    Ah - got it. Generally speaking, the front-end swap consists of bolt-on parts: bumpers, fenders, fender liners, etc.

    The lower radiator support is welded to the chassis and would require considerably more effort to swap. IIRC, the piece may be NLA new (not sure). The advantage is twofold: First, it is much stronger; and second it does not have the two forward braces which take up space needed for either intercoolers (diesel applications) or engine oil cooler (036).


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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    Quick update; The Wagon goes in to the custom rod shop in the next two weeks for the 500E rear flare widebody addition. I have been utterly buried with health issues & the building of my animal rescue etc et al, and am looking forward to its completion. Updates & dyno runs will be forthcoming (as well as the long-delayed 500E partout), so stay tuned to witness the unmitigated genius of UberKarl. This car can literally tie your stomach in knots (and the diesel plumes can blot out the sun........

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    Quote Originally Posted by baviking1 View Post
    Quick update; The Wagon goes in to the custom rod shop in the next two weeks for the 500E rear flare widebody addition. I have been utterly buried with health issues & the building of my animal rescue etc et al, and am looking forward to its completion. Updates & dyno runs will be forthcoming (as well as the long-delayed 500E partout), so stay tuned to witness the unmitigated genius of UberKarl. This car can literally tie your stomach in knots (and the diesel plumes can blot out the sun........
    Are you the owner or the builder?

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    Quote Originally Posted by atg View Post
    Are you the owner or the builder?

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    Quote Originally Posted by atg View Post
    Are you the owner or the builder?

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    Baviking1 = Owner and evil overlord, S70/2/UberKarl = builder extraordinaire, GSXR = King Kahuna.

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    Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    I’d throw the Jordinator in there as a pretty good builder too. Though I realize he’s got his own project and isn’t involved with this one.

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    I’d throw the Jordinator in there as a pretty good builder too. Though I realize he’s got his own project and isn’t involved with this one.

    Jono is an evil car hoarder (of the most awesome kind), therefore we'll eliminate him from contention out of sheer jealousy and spite.....

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    Is that car in Arizona? Would be fun to see it sometime.
    Quote Originally Posted by baviking1 View Post
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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    Did you actually use these shafts, have them rebuilt, or use new stuff? I bought some with the 500sl diff, but they are over 100k and a bit sticky.

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    Everything about the V8 Inners are beefier. Bigger bolt diameter, larger ball cage, thicker center star with 30mm spline depth.

    V8 on left - M104 on right
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    So upgrading to the V8 inners may be a moot point if the outers can't take the torque.

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    Re: Build and Restoration: 1994 S124 w/ 600hp OM606, 5-speed standard trans

    Quote Originally Posted by atg View Post
    Did you actually use these shafts, have them rebuilt, or use new stuff? I bought some with the 500sl diff, but they are over 100k and a bit sticky.
    I rebuilt the shafts myself, appeared to be low mileage with little wear. They last a very long time if the boots are not torn and exposed to dirt, also very easy (although labor intensive and messy) to completely disassemble, inspect, clean, polish and reassemble CV joints.

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