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    M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    IAA 1991. Extra edition. With this on page 162.

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    But today i found these on FB. Seem to be from an official Brabus brochure.

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    And since now we're talking Brabus M119. What is this? An AB 8 - 32 V 5 liter stage with nearly just as much power as the AMG and Carlsson SIX liter engines.

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    Anyhow, anyway. Maybe these engines were never made. Maybe they never found their way into an actual vehicle. But since these data and specifications in, what seem to be, official Brabus brochures exist, it is worth mentioning it.
    Perhaps, one can add more information to it.
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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Interesting find.
    As per the text where is mentioned in the first text: .... further performance increase up to 324kw/442ps is possible through a high torque 6.3 Liter version.

    The second picture confirms this version had existed (at least in the brochure)

    Thats speculation, but high torque means "long stroke" layout, I. E. the stroke is longer than the bore diameter. By taking the 100mm stroke crank and leaving the bore at the common 6.0 value (100mm) we get exact 6283ccm which would equal 6.3L. However it is a square stroke and not long stroke layout.

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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Since the Brabus "6.5" was actually 6,409cc with 101x100mm bore/stroke, it would be plausible that a 6.3L (6,283cc) version could have been produced with 100x100.

    It was my understanding that only 13 of the special 100mm crankshafts were produced by Brabus and only 12 of those were used in engines; the 13th was sold separately and purchased by Talbir about 10 years ago, IIRC? Not sure if those numbers are accurate, or urban legend...

    Also, a 265kw/360ps (356hp SAE) 5.0L engine could have been produced with hotter camshafts, porting, polishing, and WOT enrichment. The W210 E50 AMG was rated at 342-347hp depending on which magazine article you read, so the Brabus claim is quite reasonable. Shoot, if the E50 engine did not have WOT enrichment from the factory, Brabus could have possibly extracted the additional ~13hp simply with a software change in the ECU on an otherwise stock AMG engine!

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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Still puzzling, what the tuners back in the day did, remember the Carlsson C62 100x98.8 mm 6207 cc...
    also what I have seen on a Brabus 036 here in Sweden 5.3???
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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Since the Brabus "6.5" was actually 6,409cc with 101x100mm bore/stroke, it would be plausible that a 6.3L (6,283cc) version could have been produced with 100x100.

    It was my understanding that only 13 of the special 100mm crankshafts were produced by Brabus and only 12 of those were used in engines; the 13th was sold separately and purchased by Talbir about 10 years ago, IIRC? Not sure if those numbers are accurate, or urban legend...

    Also, a 265kw/360ps (356hp SAE) 5.0L engine could have been produced with hotter camshafts, porting, polishing, and WOT enrichment. The W210 E50 AMG was rated at 342-347hp depending on which magazine article you read, so the Brabus claim is quite reasonable. Shoot, if the E50 engine did not have WOT enrichment from the factory, Brabus could have possibly extracted the additional ~13hp simply with a software change in the ECU on an otherwise stock AMG engine!

    Dave:

    The initial order of the steel billet cranks was 12, originally I was also told that they were sourced from Mahle Germany, but later told they were sourced from the UK, probably Cosworth. This is hearsay so the actual numbers could be higher, but since the W210 with the 6.4L M119 failed to hit 200+MPH I was told that this led to the M120 EV12 versions which met their goal of a 4 door capable of 200+ MPH

    From those 12 crankshafts, (9) 6.4 engines were initially assembled. I believe you are correct that Talbir purchased one of the remaining three for his 6.4 M119 build, Brabus probably used one on the more recent W124 E65 build, and one is supposed to be on display somewhere. My records show the following for the engines:

    1. 1997 W210 Black, my car
    2. Silver SLK, Bill Gates car that went back to europe after being in the USA for a few years
    3. Black SLK, Tom Cruise
    4. Vmax W124 Silver
    5. Russia W124 silver/red interior
    6. Russia W124 silver/black interior
    7. Dubai, Red baron E500 with the 6.4
    8. W210 estate, green in Germany
    9. Talbir, car unknown
    10. Brabus E65, Brabus Classic Collection
    11. Crank on display?
    12. Unknown

    If the above information is incorrect please advise and/or correct. This information is what I have gathered over the years.

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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by captruff View Post
    If the above information is incorrect please advise and/or correct. This information is what I have gathered over the years.
    Awesome information Jeff... thanks for sharing!!


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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Cool info. Thx for that. I chatted with Bernard and he confirmed that the 100mm crank was utilized in the 6.3 version.
    For recent engines the/a crank supplier to brabus is arrow precision...

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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    No more then 12/13 Brabus 6.5 engines were made? Late 2001 and early 2002 i twice testdrove a W210 Brabus 6.5. One with a private person in Albersloh near Münster, BRD. And the other from a car company in Dinslaken, BRD.
    Hard to rememeber but i believe the first to be silver and the second to be black.

    I know of two SLK 6.5. The one with the yellow interior

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    And the one with the blue interior. EZ april or july 1999. The Tom Cruise car?

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    And then there is this S210 6.5. Ex Michael Schumacher?

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    Did you include this black S210 6.5 too? https://www.flatout.com.br/mercedes-brabus-e65-uma-superperua-com-motor-de-prototipo-de-le-mans-venda-brasil/

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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rouven036 View Post
    Cool info. Thx for that. I chatted with Bernard and he confirmed that the 100mm crank was utilized in the 6.3 version.
    This is what Bernard said too. 102 x 100 mm? Would make 6537 ccm.

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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    This R129 has a 6.5 too.

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    These two V140 also.

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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by weide1 View Post
    This is what Bernard said too. 102 x 100 mm? Would make 6537 ccm.

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    I've only heard bad things about the M119 being bored beyond 101mm, due to the cylinder walls getting too thin, and causing reliability / longevity problems. Other than Bernard's statement I've never heard of anyone besides RENNtech building an M119 with 102mm bore. I would also wonder if Brabus built an engine with 102mm bore, or if a customer took their 101mm engine apart and had it bored out to 102mm.

    It would have been smarter (IMO) to offset-grind the 100mm crank to 101mm stroke, if possible, although that would open up lots of other problems! The power gains from another 0.1L are so miniscule, I don't understand why anyone would take the risk. 100mm stroke with either 100 or 101 bore would be ideal, IMO.


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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    List is not too accurate:

    2+3: Number of R170 SLK 6.5 produced is 3-4 cars.
    5: Russian W124 E500 6.5 Silver/red
    6: is a 6.0L not a 6.5.
    7: KUWAIT W124 E60 BRABUS 6.5
    9: Project never complete nor any progress.
    10: Prof.Bauschmann's car is now RUSSIAN as well.

    And there are a number of W140 conversion and probably R129

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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    No we did not talk about anything more than 101mm bore...actually I m considering to go the 6.3L route... I like the idea of the proven reliable 100mm bore while still having meat left in case something goes wrong. Keep in mind that the official AMG repair stage for the 6.0 is 100.5mm. So from that point another 0.25mm radius increases to 101mm should be also still relatively save.
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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by 195910 View Post
    And there are a number of W140 conversion and `probably` R129
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    Car has this interior. Beautiful imho.

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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Haha lol@ 83.468 DM, I get that to around €42.000! Someone had moneys to spend.
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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by doolar View Post
    Haha lol@ 83.468 DM, I get that to around €42.000! Someone had moneys to spend.
    My brabus invoice is even higher, around 93K DM.

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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by doolar View Post
    Haha lol@ 83.468 DM, I get that to around €42.000! Someone had moneys to spend.
    Ha...Bodo was asked- did your clients ever complain that your tuned cars take more gas as usual? Bodo- no, never. A lot of them asked for a bigger gas tank
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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    LOL. Anyone who complains about fuel economy of a 6.xL M119 needs to be pointed in the direction of a Prius.


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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Very cool!
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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by 195910 View Post
    List is not too accurate:

    2+3: Number of R170 SLK 6.5 produced is 3-4 cars.
    5: Russian W124 E500 6.5 Silver/red
    6: is a 6.0L not a 6.5.
    7: KUWAIT W124 E60 BRABUS 6.5
    9: Project never complete nor any progress.
    10: Prof.Bauschmann's car is now RUSSIAN as well.

    And there are a number of W140 conversion and probably R129
    #10 that the 6.5 Brabus had in the Show room? AND how much was it sold for in the end?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 036 View Post
    Ha...Bodo was asked- did your clients ever complain that your tuned cars take more gas as usual? Bodo- no, never. A lot of them asked for a bigger gas tank
    Non-car enthusiast people that ask about my car often ask about the milage, ”Ohh a V8, how much fuel does that cost you??”. They should see my other costs for the car. The fuel is a tiny fragment in comparison, the storage/garage cost alone is way more than I spend on fuel. I’m also happy about the optional 90 l. gas tank.
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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taxi Driver View Post
    #10 that the 6.5 Brabus had in the Show room? AND how much was it sold for in the end?
    Yes, the video is on instagram as well. around 300K Euro

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    Quote Originally Posted by 195910 View Post
    Yes, the video is on instagram as well. around 300K Euro
    OH MY... that required a big "piggy tank" opposed to my piggy bank, at least I have touched it.
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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Fun Fact: Brabus based their ECU on the AMG ECU. LH 6.0L

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    Quote Originally Posted by doolar View Post
    Non-car enthusiast people that ask about my car often ask about the milage, ”Ohh a V8, how much fuel does that cost you??”. They should see my other costs for the car. The fuel is a tiny fragment in comparison, the storage/garage cost alone is way more than I spend on fuel. I’m also happy about the optional 90 l. gas tank.
    Premium Fuel here is currently around £1.30 ish a litre - usually around $140 equivalent to fill my 500E from empty. But I call it “Smiles per Gallon” and don’t get too bothered about what Fuel the 500E consumes. For the driving experience the fuel consumption is a bargain in the 500E! My W211 E220CDI - although a decent car feels like a tractor when driving it after getting out of the 500E

    Sorry to go off topic - great thread I’m following with interest!
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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/d...l?id=254439647


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    This car could well have the AB 8 stage. Since i read 272 kW in the ad. Not that far away from the figures i read here.

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    Re: M119 Brabus 6,3 liter engine. Did it really exist? Plus M119 Brabus 5,0 liter AB 8 - 32 V stage.

    Owner changed 370 to 320 PS. So no Brabus AB 8 stage. Too bad. Would really have collected images and information of a genuine AB 8 stage.

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