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    I think that while the "as a service" has its benefits, it also has its drawbacks. Take for example personally leasing a car (I'm avoiding people who lease for a business which may provide a tax benefit or people who want to lease a car if they are unsure that they will keep it long term) or renting a home. While it may be a good solution in the short term, I find it is like burning money every month. At the end, you have burnt a lot of money and have nothing tangible to show for it (which has residual value and could be monetized towards something else).

    In the above scenario, I see renting/leasing on par with the reverse mortgage business which targets elderly people.

    My hope one day is to give my kids a down payment on a house so that the "rent check" is actually a mortgage payment.

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    I firmly believe there is some sort of tracking in the MB parts software....every time an inquiry on a OE part (NLA or not) it gets logged. The NLA part inquiry logs must trip a green light to manufacture more at a certain number...or at least it gets a review from management.

    Nearly 20 years ago the euro-lites were NLA, we all bought them up from Hella and MB...then they became available again ! (and now they aren't right?) Just like the 500E rear badges...same story they are available again, then they are all sold out.

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    It's an interesting thought on service economy.


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    Re: The Future of todays NLA parts

    Quote Originally Posted by Ntrepid View Post
    I think that while the "as a service" has its benefits, it also has its drawbacks. Take for example personally leasing a car (I'm avoiding people who lease for a business which may provide a tax benefit or people who want to lease a car if they are unsure that they will keep it long term) or renting a home. While it may be a good solution in the short term, I find it is like burning money every month. At the end, you have burnt a lot of money and have nothing tangible to show for it (which has residual value and could be monetized towards something else).
    Leasing makes sense for folks who want the newest shiny thing every few years, and who don't care about "owning" it. In Laura's case, she has a 4Runner that she owns, so she has a backup vehicle that is perfectly viable. The Lexus is her "fun car" and heck, I'm not going to complain about that. Life is too short not to have a little fun, even if you're only leasing/renting it. It's not personally what I would do, but she works hard (she's a mechanical engineer by trade) and deserves what she wants. (Even if it's a damn Lexus. )

    I was making the 20-mile drive into downtown Seattle from my mom's house, in my Hertz Chevy Suburban (what a sled that thing is!), and in the perpetual 6:30 AM traffic jam, looked around me at all of the new/throwaway cars and was saddened by how few of the cars I saw will even be on the road in 5-10 years. Probably a sizable percentage will be used up and thrown away, like a can of Coca-Cola.

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    Re: The Future of todays NLA parts

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    I'm on LinkedIn as a career safety net, and nothing else besides a couple of these time-suck MB forums.

    You mean, you hang out on other forums besides this one?!?

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    Re: The Future of todays NLA parts

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    I'm not sure that GSXR and Mrs. GSXR are hunters, but certainly potatoes are a staple of their diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    Leasing makes sense for folks who want the newest shiny thing every few years, and who don't care about "owning" it.
    There is another customer segment where leasing makes sense: people who have no DIY repair skills, and/or don't want to touch a wrench. Buying a car is not always the best option for this market segment, once the extended warranty expires, they are on the hook for the full cost of all repairs. The problem here is the cost is random; many months go by with zero cost, then suddenly a $3k repair bill hits. For people on limited income, this is brutal. Same issue with buying an older used car for cash, although there it can be worse as the repair cost may exceed vehicle value.

    How does leasing help in this scenario? If you select a vehicle based on excellent lease terms (ZERO down, reasonable mileage limits, reasonable buyback, etc) it works out pretty well. Yes, you have a monthly payment and yes, you are basically renting a car long term... but it's always the same cost monthly, the car is under factory warranty, and you get a loaner car if it goes in for warranty repairs. As a bonus you are always driving a new car every few years. The down side is you have less choice in the type of car; not many marques will have deals like this. And you may have to wait for a killer sale to pop up, you may not be able to go car shopping on a whim and find a deal like this right now.

    Before my wife and I met / got married, she was in this situation... owned cheap junkers and was tired of breaking down / repairs. Found a lease deal on a new Jetta that was zero down, ~$200/month, loved the car. When the lease was up not long after we were married, the residual / buyback happened to be less than market value. We bought it back, sold the car, and pocketed a decent windfall (she was in a W124 at this point anyway). If I hadn't been in the picture, most likely she'd have traded it in for a similar lease deal on the newer model. Yes, this is a variation of TaaS, but with the advantage of not worrying about the next major repair creating unexpected debt.

    Also, for the folks like me who own old cars and fix them DIY... if you ever add up everything you spend on repairs (including your time), the numbers may be sobering. I justify it because it allows me to drive cars I like, and can afford, since I buy them after they are almost fully depreciated. Most anything new that I like, I can't afford (without significant debt). Gonne be a long, long time before I'm rolling in a 212 or 213. At least 211's are cheap now!


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    Re: The Future of todays NLA parts

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    You mean, you hang out on other forums besides this one?!?

    Two-timer!
    No, I don't. But I do pop in occasionally with a small bag of popcorn, watch some of the mud wrestling, then leave.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    There is another customer segment where leasing makes sense: people who have no DIY repair skills, and/or don't want to touch a wrench. Buying a car is not always the best option for this market segment, once the extended warranty expires, they are on the hook for the full cost of all repairs. The problem here is the cost is random; many months go by with zero cost, then suddenly a $3k repair bill hits. For people on limited income, this is brutal. Same issue with buying an older used car for cash, although there it can be worse as the repair cost may exceed vehicle value.
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    Agree 100% -- leasing is about as hassle-free as you can get, and is appealing for those who just want a nice car to drive and don't want to deal with it. Recently the Lexus required new brake pads due to squeaking brakes at low speed. She took it in the first time and they gave her some BS about it needing shims. I called BS on that both to her and to the service manager, but they evidently installed and gooed-in shims on the front pads. Didn't solve the problem. She took the car in a second time, and told them in no uncertain terms that she wanted the car FIXED, or else.

    It was amazing how quickly the Annapolis Lexus dealer bent over backwards and took care of the problem. She had two nice new loaner cars (for a day or so each time) and I was surprised at the hospitality when I went (personally) to pick up the car after the pads had been replaced. They offered me a massage, all the premium coffee I could drink, a plate-ful of gourmet food, and more. I was just there merely to pick up a car, and I felt like I was at a luxury spa or something.

    The MB dealers I went to in Houston wouldn't even bother to talk to you while wandering around the show floor. I remember taking Klink, when he was in Houston for a work trip, to the brand-new Woodlands MB dealership near my house and we walked around the show floor, looking at G-wagens and S-classes and such. I don't recall that anyone even came up to us and said hello, how can I help you, or even "Go to hell, you don't deserve to drive a Mercedes."

    At the MB Greenway dealership in Houston, the MBCA Chapter had its monthly board meetings there upstairs every other month when I was president of the chapter. I was president for like 15 months. We'd walk into the dealership and just walk right upstairs to the meeting room. Employees would regularly walk by while we were sitting there and nobody ever -- ONE SINGLE TIME -- stopped or approached me when I walked into the stealership, across the showroom and to the stairway upstairs. Nor did anyone ever stick their head in the meeting room while we were meeting, saying "Who the hell are you / what the hell are you doing here." I always laughed about the utter lack of hospitality/courtesy/attention that the MB Greenway stealership paid.

    MB Houston North wasn't much better.

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    My experience at MBOTW has been outstanding. I have a good relationship with the only mechanic at the shop who works on W126/W124. Last I was there I sat at his bay, while he held class on the .036 to all the guys under 30 working on the other chassis. So for me, that part is nice and he even checked my torque specs on the last reason I was there, MB alignment for both cars and the were "dead on balls accurate" (props to My Cousin Vinny Movie).

    I will not go to MB North, cringed going into greenway aka arrogance but also Sewell opened up an MB Dealership in Sugar Land, on a converted Sams Club so the showroom is indoors. It is AMG shop for parts and repairs, and the only MB in house complete frame off collision repair capable in the area with 3 full paint booths.
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    I like Uber, I've stopped taking my car to the airport and use it instead as it's cheaper and I don't have to deal with the hassle of parking. I've also stopped renting unless i absolutely have to because it's usually reasonably cheap and I don't have to deal with rental car return BS at the airport.
    I like facebook - I can now keep up with people I knew 20 years ago without having to talk to them. I like that!
    I'm not sure i'd like leasing. I don't like the idea of driving somebody else's car and the thought of being nickle'd and dime'd on scratches and dings when I return it would keep me awake at night

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    I also use Uber and Lyft for business purposes, whenever it makes sense, worldwide.

    And on occasion for personal purposes -- like when we attended the Toronto Maple Leafs / Washington Caps hockey game two weekends ago at Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium ... didn't want to drive home after having a few beers at the game

    Sometimes, ya gotta rent though....

    I know with leasing that there's definitely a certain amount of "wear and tear" that is assumed to have happened at the end of the leasing period. As long as it's not exhorbitant, no one has to pay for anything. Again, it's all built into the calculations for residual value that are predicted for the lease.

    As Dave said, all maintenance is taken care of during the period of the lease, and in the case of the Lexus, we got a small (I think for about $15 extra a month) extended warranty that even covers "wear and tear" items like windshield wipers, brake shoes, and the like. Hence why the recent brake pad debacle was no cost. I'm sure Lexus would have charged several hundred large (parts and labour) for a four-wheel brake pad replacement.

    For many if not most drivers (but I know, largely a foreign concept to most of us petrol-heads), not having to deal ANYTHING with a car except fuel it and drive it, is a very liberating thing. It takes hassling with cars, largely off the table. At a lease payment that is far less than a car-buying payment. And if you want the next-gen model (or to trade up) at the end of the lease...BINGO !!

    Not my personal cup of tea, but for many folks, I can see how it is a nice thing.

    Years ago (and Klink could probably comment on this more accurately), I was hearing that over 50% of all Benzes that left MBUSA dealers' lots, were leased. I'd bet that it's probably around 75% now. Nobody has (or wants to expend) the cash to actually BUY a car.

    And when was the last time you heard of someone going into a stealership and (gasp) paying cash for a new car? Something that the average stealership greatly discourages....

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    I'm sure that it suits some people to the ground. I was at a restaurant a while back and overheard a young girl sitting next to me talking about trading her car in because the tires need replacing. I suspect that she figured that it made sense because the cost of new tires is the same as car payment. That's not my cup of tea but if I ever get married (a very unlikely event) and am asked for a car recommendation. "lease a brand new Camry" would be my knee jerk answer.

    I like my car problems to be MY car problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alabbasi View Post
    I'm sure that it suits some people to the ground. I was at a restaurant a while back and overheard a young girl sitting next to me talking about trading her car in because the tires need replacing. I suspect that she figured that it made sense because the cost of new tires is the same as car payment. That's not my cup of tea but if I ever get married (a very unlikely event) and am asked for a car recommendation. "lease a brand new Camry" would be my knee jerk answer.

    I like my car problems to be MY car problems.
    The girl you overheard was probably talking about the cost of replacement Michelin XWX tires for her 450SEL 6.9.

    I’d trade my car in, too, if I had to pay that particular piper....


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    Quote Originally Posted by alabbasi View Post
    I'm sure that it suits some people to the ground. I was at a restaurant a while back and overheard a young girl sitting next to me talking about trading her car in because the tires need replacing. I suspect that she figured that it made sense because the cost of new tires is the same as car payment. That's not my cup of tea but if I ever get married (a very unlikely event) and am asked for a car recommendation. "lease a brand new Camry" would be my knee jerk answer.

    I like my car problems to be MY car problems.
    Which is why I don’t bichnmoan about the constant EClass lease for my GF. For her money, I get the benefit of saying “take it to the dealer”, for everything. Except tires, where I got her to get one replacement from a tire specialist, who agreed to warranty all 4, including the 3 the dealer didn’t, with lifetime rotation and balance.

    “GFs car, off my desk”... When she asks, “why don’t you take care of my car?”, my answer is...”because it’s not yours.It belongs to MB Financial, so why am I working for them for free?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    The girl you overheard was probably talking about the cost of replacement Michelin XWX tires for her 450SEL 6.9.

    I’d trade my car in, too, if I had to pay that particular piper....


    I had to look, since I have an interest in a 6.9 at some point. Was expecting $500-600 since it's Coker.

    Retail is $360 per. Delivered.

    Crazy for what it is, but ya gotta pay to play.

    In looking at some 6.9s for sale, I see that the Hankook Optimo H724 has a few options hovering right around stock size for ~$60 per.

    So in this situation, authenticity will cost you an extra $1200.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maw1124 View Post
    ... When she asks, “why don’t you take care of my car?”, my answer is...”because it’s not yours.It belongs to MB Financial, so why am I working for them for free?”
    This can be another plus for leasing: it deters spending money on upgrades like exhaust, wheels/tires, carbon-fiber bling-bling, yadda x3.


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    I had to look, since I have an interest in a 6.9 at some point. Was expecting $500-600 since it's Coker.

    Retail is $360 per. Delivered.

    Crazy for what it is, but ya gotta pay to play.

    In looking at some 6.9s for sale, I see that the Hankook Optimo H724 has a few options hovering right around stock size for ~$60 per.

    So in this situation, authenticity will cost you an extra $1200.
    Easy fix is to go to 15 inch Bundts on the 6.9. Tyre choices open up big time as you go up to the 15 inch. Granted, the XWX has a stiffer sidewall, but who really in this day and age is going to take a 6.9 to the limit, especially in cornering? Up here in BC anything over 40 km/h over the limit results in big fines, car getting taken and points on the licence so speeding is pretty much a thing of the past here.

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    Yep, that's what I did with my 6.9. I installed 15-inch Bundts (ATS). Opens up the universe of tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    The girl you overheard was probably talking about the cost of replacement Michelin XWX tires for her 450SEL 6.9.

    I’d trade my car in, too, if I had to pay that particular piper....

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    I have a small fortune in Michelin tires in my shop. I have five sets of rims that fit the E500E's all with pretty much brand new tires on them so I can change rims anytime without going to the tire shop. Kind of silly, I know, but I like to change the wheels when the mood suits me. I can go from 16's to 19's in a matter of minutes.


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    My last two cars for wife were leased at extremely favorable rates. Drove a 2012 Honda Accord for 3 years and didn't even change the oil on it. Here, I am replacing oil on my W124s and 955 every 6-12 months. Honda drove like an appliance on wheels but no headache and didn't have to worry about any mechanical or electrical issues. Changing the thermostat on .034 took most of the weekend. Nothing wrong with leasing if it works for the right circumstances and price. Dumped the accord after 3 years and moved on to an SUV that worked better for our family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alabbasi View Post
    I like Uber, I've stopped taking my car to the airport and use it instead as it's cheaper and I don't have to deal with the hassle of parking. I've also stopped renting unless i absolutely have to because it's usually reasonably cheap and I don't have to deal with rental car return BS at the airport.
    I like facebook - I can now keep up with people I knew 20 years ago without having to talk to them. I like that!
    I'm not sure i'd like leasing. I don't like the idea of driving somebody else's car and the thought of being nickle'd and dime'd on scratches and dings when I return it would keep me awake at night
    Sorry to burst some bubbles, but...
    Uber - horrible arrogant people at the top of that company. Thankfully, their day in the sun is over and will be replaced within a few years by a much more egalitarian solution. I do use Lyft, however. Much nicer people run that company.
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    Yet, you can't buy a ... front lower suspension control arm for a late W124.
    Don't most people just put r129 arms on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by atg View Post
    Don't most people just put r129 arms on?
    R129 front LCA's are the same as W124. 129 models with 300mm front brakes use the 'early 124' LCA with replaceable ball joint, others use the 'late' LCA.

    BTW, it seems the late LCA's are available again, both sides. Not sure if they are still being produced in the same factory now that the price dropped in half in USA.

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    BTW, it seems the late LCA's are available again, both sides. Not sure if they are still being produced in the same factory now that the price dropped in half in USA.

    I said this same thing weeks ago here on the forum, when I stopped into MB of Annapolis to pick up my latest parts order -- Eddie checked Parts-R-Gon while I was standing there, and confirmed they were definitely/easily available/orderable and for the lowered price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    I said this same thing weeks ago here on the forum, when I stopped into MB of Annapolis to pick up my latest parts order -- Eddie checked Parts-R-Gon while I was standing there, and confirmed they were definitely/easily available/orderable and for the lowered price.
    All the more reason to hoard what you can affoard!


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    "Hoard what you can afford"... That'll stick.

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    Re: The Future of todays NLA parts

    Speaking of the late LCA's. Now that the OEM Lemforder control arm bushings are NLA, and new OE bushing kits are ~$170 list, ~$125 discount... it really doesn't make sense to try and rebuild the LCA anymore. Just buy complete new LCA's at $180/each while they last, complete with new ball joints. Just keep in mind that you might need to replace the ball joint boot on the new LCA, if it arrives buggered up, as several people have reported.

    (Yes, you can still get Lemforder bushing kits, but they are not OEM anymore. They are generic, made in Spain, smell like Harbor Freight, and have no MB part numbers / logos / markings like they had just a few years ago. But they are damned reasonably priced at $25-$30 per kit! Photos coming to W124performance.com soon. Wish I had stocked up on these before the change... )

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    I had the Lemforder's bushings installed about 5 years ago by my local indy. I felt sorry for the guy doing the work it kicked his butt. I should have bought the late style to allow for the bigger brakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cole67 View Post
    I had the Lemforder's bushings installed about 5 years ago by my local indy. I felt sorry for the guy doing the work it kicked his butt. I should have bought the late style to allow for the bigger brakes.
    The bushings are NOT fun to replace without the proper tools... and if the old ones have any rust / corrosion holding them in, ugh, it's even worse. At current pricing, it's a no-brainer to buy complete late LCA's.


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    Will the late style LCAs fit ALL 500Es? 92', 93, and 94s?
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    I am coming up with these part numbers:

    Left LCA: A 124 330 34 07
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trae View Post
    Will the late style LCAs fit ALL 500Es? 92', 93, and 94s?
    Yes, the late model LCA's will fit all E500E's. Not to mention you can also install bigger brakes.
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    It's the best way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post

    PREDICTION: By March 2023, 35+% of the regular participants on this site will no longer own their E500E. By March 2028, 75% of the regular participants on this site will no longer own their E500E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    The bushings are NOT fun to replace without the proper tools... and if the old ones have any rust / corrosion holding them in, ugh, it's even worse. At current pricing, it's a no-brainer to buy complete late LCA's.

    +1. Agree 100%. This is a no-brainer and a much easier job to do -- replacing the LCAs rather than just the bushings.

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    Re: The Future of todays NLA parts

    Quote Originally Posted by Trae View Post
    I am coming up with these part numbers:

    Left LCA: A 124 330 34 07
    Right LCA: A 124 330 35 07
    Maui is correct... these will fit all years of 124 and 129 chassis, and work with all front brakes up to at least 334mm.

    Part numbers above are correct for the 'standard' LCA's. The Sportline version with stiffer bushings are more than twice the price (#36 and #37).

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    Re: The Future of todays NLA parts

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    Just buy complete new LCA's at $180/each while they last, complete with new ball joints.
    That's a silly...low low price for that part. For reference, I paid $400 each for replacement front LCAs for my '94 E500 back in 2014.

    As for the rear eccentric bushings, pretty sure I paid about $160 for both back in 2015. Part number for them is 124-352-43-65.
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    Re: The Future of todays NLA parts

    Indeed, it's a wear part, so if one plans on hanging on to their .036 for any length of time, this is a stupendously good price for the factory LCAs, and worth adding to one's "hoard." It's only a matter of time/driving for the LCA ball joint and/or bushings to go bad, particularly if the car has more than 100-125K on it and they've never been previously replaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8899 View Post
    That's a silly...low low price for that part. For reference, I paid $400 each for replacement front LCAs for my '94 E500 back in 2014.

    As for the rear eccentric bushings, pretty sure I paid about $160 for both back in 2015. Part number for them is 124-352-43-65.
    I hear you. I replaced the front LCA's on two cars and paid over $700 both times. I have set I just purchased for the red car, but they are not the same. They have clear ball joint covers.

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    Totally agree here:

    https://www.themaven.net/mishtalk/ec...UOG43My911VaA/

    In short:
    "Auto Math: $523 * 12 * 6 = $37,656

    That total does not factor in the down payment.

    Interest = $37,656 - $31,455 = $6,201.

    That's $1033.50 in interest annually.

    Lovely.

    At the end of six years, perhaps the car will fetch $5,000 in a trade-in, but everything depends on miles, damage, and of course advancements in self-driving.

    Anyone trading the car in after three or four years will be hugely underwater.

    “The dream of owning a new vehicle is becoming more elusive,” said Melinda Zabritski, senior director of automotive financial solutions at Experian."

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