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    Correct battery

    Does anyone know if there is an Interstate battery that is compatible for a 93 500e?
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    Re: Correct battery

    Funny that you ask. I just replaced my battery tonight with a brand-new Interstate I purchased today.

    The correct battery is a Group 93 battery (that's the industry's size convention for this specific battery).

    The battery you want for the E500E (and many many other Mercedes-Benz models) is the Interstate MegaTron MTP-93.

    It's got an 85-month warranty on it. Expect to pay somewhere between $130-160 for the battery. It's pretty much one of the very best batteries on the market -- better than the factory Benz batteries. Sears stopped making Group 93 DieHard batteries a few years ago.

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    Re: Correct battery

    The OEM manufacturers are Varta and hoptke (spelling !!)

    I got the Bosch Sliver battery (relabelled Varta for a lot cheaper) for my car back in 2006, still working great with all this heat.

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    Re: Correct battery

    FYI, the Group 49 and 93 are the same physical size and interchangeable. The 49 is usually a normal lead-acid battery, but depending on the supplier it could be a silver-calcium type which is better. Interstate's Group 93 is a silver-calcium. Click here for an Interstate spec sheet.

    Here are my notes from a post in early 2008 regarding the OE Mercedes batteries from the dealership:
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    004-541-03-01 is a standard lead-acid battery, list $115 (similar to Interstate MT-93)
    004-541-45-01 is a silver-calcium lead-acid battery, list $165 (similar to Interstate MTP-93)
    004-541-46-01 is an "AGM" (gel-cell) type sealed battery, list $210

    The 400E/500E use the same battery as the W124 diesels, btw, with a 100Ah rating (compared to the 75Ah rating for the gasser/6-cyl W124's). Oddly, the EPC specifices the 004-541-03-01 for USA models, but for Euro models, it specifies 004-541-46-01! Go figure. The 004-541-46-01 is specified for a zillion different models in Europe, including chassis 107, 115, 116, 123, 124, 126, 129, 140, 201, etc...

    While at the local dealer today, I inquired about the current OE batteries available. It turns out that all three of the part numbers mentioned above have been superceded to 000000-002697, which is a silver-calcium type:

    004-541-03-01 rolls to 000000-002697 (this would be an 'upgrade')
    004-541-45-01 rolls to 000000-002697 (straight roll to similar type)
    004-541-46-01 rolls to 000000-002697 (this would be a 'downgrade', which doesn't make sense!)


    Anyway, they also had a AGM / gel-cell battery available, in a black casing. This is part # 005-541-10-01. So, at the moment, your two choices for the "large" battery used on most MB diesels and V8/V12's are:

    000000-002697 - silver-calcium lead-acid battery, white, 100Ah, 760A, list $135
    005-541-10-01 - "AGM" (gel-cell) type sealed battery, black, 95Ah, 850A, list $253 (!!)


    On a side note, I've had a Pulse Tech PowerPulse unit installed on a several of my standard lead-acid batteries for several years now (the 735X012 unit). These batteries are now well past their rated warranty period (number of months the battery is supposed to last), and still going strong. I have two of the old 004-541-03-01 dealer batteries that are 11-12 years old and still in service!!

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    Re: Correct battery

    Yes, the 6-cylinder 93-95 W124 E320 cars use the slightly smaller and less powerful Interstate MTP-91 (Group 91/48) battery. I installed a new MTP-91 into my wife's 1995 E320 wagon back in January. Last month I installed a new MTP-93 into my 1987 560SL, replacing a former lead/acid Group 49 battery that was locally made by Columbia Batteries in Portland, OR.

    My 1989 560SEC is the only car I have with a non-Interstate Megatron Plus (MTP) battery; it is still using a Columbia Group 93 lead/acid battery. I will probably end up upgrading it to an Interstate MTP-93 in the next year or two, depending on when it dies. Texas doesn't get quite so cold for so long as Portland does, so the climate here tends to be a bit easier on batteries than the Pacific Northwest was.

    Cheers,
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    Re: Correct battery

    Here are a few photos of the brand-new Interstate MTP-93 battery and also in comparison to my old battery.

    Cheers,
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    Re: Correct battery

    what about the Dodge Challenger battery?

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    Re: Correct battery

    I have this one in my 500E, had it in my E420 and my Friend also in his E420. Its a VRLA battery out of a Mercedes S-Class as far as i know. They are used quite cheap here in germany (at most 80€ Ebay, 1 year old or so). The manufacturer specifies 10years lifetime for a VRLA Battery, which is something in my opinion. Also Cold-Start current is much higher compared to a normal Liquid Battery.

    However you should actually replace the stock 14V Regulator with 14.5V one, as those VRLA Batteries need slightly higher voltage for charging entirely full.
    Also Its a sad fact that there is a lot of voltage drop from generator to trunk where the battery sits in our cars, so even more a reason for a 14.5V Regulator. My Regulator is from Beru and costed like 25€.

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    Re: Correct battery

    Yes, Varta has been an OEM of MB batteries for decades.

    Cheers,
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    Re: Correct battery

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz
    Yes, Varta has been an OEM of MB batteries for decades.

    Cheers,
    Gerry
    Yes right, but personally i don't care much about the brand, its rather its technology.
    VRLA Batteries are way ahead in terms of lifetime (3-5 years normal liquid-battery to ~10 years for a VRLA), the cold-start current they can deliver and the actual time they can store a charge, theres a lot less discharge over time.
    So i would only buy such a VRLA Battery if possible - even if you leave the stock 14V regulator in place (its a PITA to remove generator - have to remove all those little oil colling lines).
    It saves you a lot of trouble if just don't have to care ~10 years for your battery and if you have even i coldest winter a lot of energy to start your engine ^^

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    On a side note, I've had a Pulse Tech PowerPulse unit installed on a several of my standard lead-acid batteries for several years now (the 735X012 unit). These batteries are now well past their rated warranty period (number of months the battery is supposed to last), and still going strong. I have two of the old 004-541-03-01 dealer batteries that are 11-12 years old and still in service!!
    Yes like you can see in the picture in my above post i also have such a tool of a different Brand (IVT Batterie Aktivator) installed and every of my familiy cars and most friends as well. This particular device was the test-winner in a german comparison of such devices, started by a hughe caravan/trailer association. Tested were the ones the pulse during charging, the ones that pulse during power delivery and the 3rd type which i sadly forgot.
    This Device from IVT was the overall winner, also because of the lowest price of just 13€+shipping, as it uses a free patent as base.

    Should be available in USA too, i can highly recommend it.
    Link to manufacturer: http://www.ivt-hirschau.de/product_info ... cts_id=136
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    Re: Correct battery

    I just bought an Interstate battery to replace the Autozone one that the PO was using. When I removed the old battery, the vent tube was not connected, nor could I find where one might be. Does anyone have a photo of the stock vent tube location?

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    Re: Correct battery

    Not sure than a vent tube is needed with an Interstate battery. Can you show photos of such assembly? My Interstate certainly didn't come with anything like that. Actually none of the 3 Interstates that I've bought in the past year have come with anything like that. Two of them were Group 93 and one was a Group 91.

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    Gerry, if you look at the bottom right picture of the Interstate battery you provided above, the vent is on the center top of the battery at the side with the terminals, just above the nose of the race car picture label (below and to the right as the battery is oriented) .

    I guess my question really is whether the W124 came with a battery vent tube from the factory, and if so, how do I find it.

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    I was suprised to see all the black batteries at the dealership. I always remember the white casings being unique. Before my wife's car's battery died, I elected to replace it(13 years old). I looked around and the Deka makes a international group 93 AGM. I think Autobarn had free shipping and you can hunt the internet and get an additional 10-15% coupon.

    It was around $150-165 last year. I wanted a gell-cell hopefully minimizing corrosion problems and it's a newer techonlogy(hopefully better).

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    Oh, you were talking about the BATTERY vent tube. Sorry - my bad for being muddled in my reply. I thought you were referencing a vent tube affixed as part of the car that directly attaches TO the battery. I wasn't aware that such an animal existed on the E500E...but it could. None of my Benzes have any provision for it that I've seen though.

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    Gerry, I WAS asking if there is a vent tube attached to the car that connects to the vent on the battery.

    It is interesting that MB does not provide an outside vent for the battery, as it produces hydrogen gas when charging and also can leak sulfuric acid into the wheel well. I wonder if it is worth fabricating one -- I'll have to look into that the next time I get into the battery area.

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    Re: Correct battery

    Quote Originally Posted by Hollybrook View Post
    ...I WAS asking if there is a vent tube attached to the car that connects to the vent on the battery.

    It is interesting that MB does not provide an outside vent for the battery, as it produces hydrogen gas when charging and also can leak sulfuric acid into the wheel well. I wonder if it is worth fabricating one -- I'll have to look into that the next time I get into the battery area.

    The OE battery did not incorporate a vent tube design feature. My current replacement battery (Everstart Maxx) has no vent tube feature, either.

    If you are using a battery with a functional tubed vent, an item like this will come in handy regarding your concerns. It is completely non-invasive to bodywork & provides no opportunity for acid to contact bodywork.

    http://www.jcwhitney.com/motorcycle-...wx?filterid=j1

    It's also worth considering removing the battery to inspect &/or clean the well on a yearly basis.
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    Re: Correct battery

    Just opted for a Sears GSM group 49.. on sale ($161). The Deka version is available from autobarn with free shipping ($209). But when you add tax- $18 to the sears, price is close. If you bump the order with Redline products, you get 10% off with a $225 order.
    If sears cannot supply it this week, I will cancel and order the Deka. Was thinking my Cub would like some Redline 30Wt racing oil and the fuel system cleaner is $10.95.

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    Re: Correct battery

    I installed a Sears group 49 AGM battery in my car recently. Found it locally for the sale price of $161.
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    Re: Correct battery

    I just called a local MB dealer, they only offered me one replacement option:

    000-982-3308 - $253. Sounds like the AGM battery for that price, and the part number looks to have changed. Just an FYI
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    Re: Correct battery

    Current MSRP on 000-982-3308 is $165, sounds like your dealer has a steep markup. And at that price, it will be lead-acid (probably silver-calcium), but not AGM.

    Found a BW thread stating this battery is rated 100Ah, 760A. I'll have to bug my dealer again to check the latest battery part numbers....


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    holy crap. ridiculous markup. thanks for the heads up. just called another - $165.
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    Re: Correct battery

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    sounds like your dealer has a steep markup.
    Steep markup, indeed !! 35% **above** MSRP? They are buying the battery for ~$109, and selling it for a gross markup of nearly 160%!

    With margins like those, THEY must be serving coffee directly imported from Nicaragua in gold-plated coffee cups, and shitting TIffany cuff-links for all customers who buy something in the parts department !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by tanger View Post
    holy crap. ridiculous markup. thanks for the heads up. just called another - $165.
    They don't call them "stealerships" for nothing... I should call MB of Houston North to see what they want for this part number.

    Of course, it's $128.40 + shipping/handling (like $30-40 given the weight) at parts.com. And I bet you can get it from the Classic Center for less than $128 + Jerry Brown fees, or they would ship it to you cheaply because MB has the lowest shipping rates of any corporation on the planet.

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    Re: Correct battery

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Current MSRP on 000-982-3308 is $165, sounds like your dealer has a steep markup. And at that price, it will be lead-acid (probably silver-calcium), but not AGM.

    Found a BW thread stating this battery is rated 100Ah, 760A. I'll have to bug my dealer again to check the latest battery part numbers....

    I just put one of these in my E420 last August. My dealer charged $159, which was the list price. I figured with shipping is would be a wash to buy it somewhere else. As it turned out, I'm glad I bought it locally because one of the cells was bad so I had to exchange it.
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    Re: Correct battery

    FYI: I don't think you'll find any dealer that will ship non-AGM batteries.

    They can ship AGM batteries since those are spill-proof, but i'm not sure if they will. Anyone purchased an OE AGM battery mail-order? Bueller? Gerry went all traitor and got Interstate but sshhhh, don't tell Naperville!


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