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    SOLD: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    I mentioned in this thread (#56) discussing the BaT auction for the 1993 500E in Denver that I would be testing the waters with a C36.

    For anyone interested in this car, please PM me. I'm offering this first to anyone on the 500EBoard to see if a new home can be found for it rather to the listing going on BaT. This gives a member a chance first (as well as save themselves the BaT 5% buyers fee) of buying this example.

    VIN: WDBHM36E3TF331604

    The brief history of the car is that I won the auction on BaT (link). The car was local to me which made it more attractive as I did not have to add transport fees. My reason for selling is by chance I found, inspected (thanks Jlaa!), and purchased a 1995 C36 in Imperial Red (link) soon after which I am now going through the process of restoring.

    Things which have been done on this car:

    • OEM Ignition coils installed
    • OEM Bilstein shocks (specific to the C36 and carry AMG part numbers) were sourced and installed
    • Sagging headliner was replaced by new OEM headliner
    • Moonroof sliding shade was reupholstered (given original was also sagging and replacement was unavailable from MB) to match both the color (black) and texture (velour) of the material at the edges of the headliner
    • OEM gas cap was sourced
    • I replaced the 4 original exterior B pillar covers with OEM black ones (as the condition of the originals distracted from the condition of the car as a faux carbon fiber design is wearing thin). It also makes the car a bit more subtle like the our 500E/E500 cars (as you have to know what to look for in order to discern it from the other models). The originals B pillar covers are included with the car.
    • Radio card was ordered from Becker Autosound
    • AMG pedals for Emergency Brake, Brake, and Accelerator have been installed (black rubber originals are included with the car)
    • Windshield reservoir has been filled with MB summer fluid mix


    Condition:

    • Interior. The car is mint - no cracks, rips, tears, or scratches. There is nothing which is needed to be done. The center console storage lid does stick (a known problem in all W202s after use). Fix is a replacement plastic piece which has been ordered. The center console cup holder wood could use a refinishing at Madera.
    • Exterior. Immediately I discovered why in the BaT auction there were no close up shots of the car from the exterior. The reason is that the black (040) finish showed a lot of swirls from improper care when cleaning. The entire car has had professional paint correction from Odds & Ends in Sterling, VA. There are some chips in the paint on the hood (all paint/panels are original). Additionally, there were tiny dents which required and received PDR.


    Things which still need to be addressed:

    • The driver (left) side rocker panel needs to be repainted/replaced. The seller noted this in the previous BaT sale and it is from someone putting it on a lift improperly which damaged the paint.
    • The valve cover shows signs of the blistering which is common with this magnesium alloy part on all W202s. After so many heat cycles, the paint loses its adhesion to the alloy which may not have received the proper outgassing and prep prior to painting. Dave @ Renewed Finishes can fix this.
    • Car came with 2 keys (1 wireless, 1 valet). The wireless one worked initially and then stopped working (which I suspect is a loose connection from when I replaced the battery)


    The car has an updated upper wiring harness (which for this model is specific to the year and costs ~$2K) so no issues others of that era were known to deteriorate and cause CEL illumination.

    The CD changer in this car is factory. Not many of these got this option, but this one has it and it works. The interesting thing is that its placement at the center of the trunk prevents the panel which hides the spare to be held open. This was a design oversight by MB.

    Also included in the sale is:


    • 17” spare tire insert with a tool carrier from a W140. The 16” is included as well but I always liked the fact that Mercedes had a kit which included MB tools and white gloves for handling the tires.
    • MB air compressor


    For those of you not as familiar with the C36, it is the first car manufactured by Mercedes post the 1994 purchase of a controlling interest of AMG.


    • By Year
      • 1995: 401
      • 1996: 296
      • 1997: 199

    • Total production: 896 which equated to 58.6% (so more rare) of the 500E/E500 manufacturing for the U.S. market in a similar production duration of 3 years.


    1996BlackC36.jpg1996BlackC36-2.jpg1996BlackC36-3.jpg

    I'm happy to share more pictures to show exterior, interior, trunk, and engine bay in greater detail. Whoever gets this car will not be disappointed.


    Robert

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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    I miss my 1995 C36...Be careful when thinning the herd.

    Your 96' C36 is a nice example.
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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Woowww. What a gem.

    It's such a shame. I've seen so many C36s just trashed over the years because they were cheap. Glad to see them being saved.
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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    What are the selling prices for the C36 and the 16-valver?

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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    C36 is a lot of car for the dough if you can find one not completely used up. Very underrated and fun to drive cars.
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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Nice car, Robert! AMG were so stealthy back then. Well, they either were or they weren't. PSA attached.

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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    What are the selling prices for the C36 and the 16-valver?
    So on the 16V, I’d like to get $30K for the car with the 5-speed Getrag manual transmission included. However, going to a good home to a member of the 500EBoard means more to me than just selling it as I know it will be taken care of so I would go $28.5K for both.

    As for the C36, I’d like to get at least what I have into it which includes: BaT purchase price, new headliner, reupholstering the moonroof shade, correct C36 shocks (NLA), and proper PC/PDR. I’m happy to share my reserve price via PM given it is going on BaT if not purchased prior.

    Happy to field questions on either of them.


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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Why not put your Valver on BaT as well? Seems a good market for it right now.

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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    I spoke to them about it but they want to use the clapped out valuation of $18K. As I have discussed before, BaT wants every car they post to sell so they compress reserves to guarantee that outcome. They also have language which says they can make the shortfall up in an auction to make the car sell. For that price, I’d rather just hold on to it and have it continue to rise in value.


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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    This morning (during the "golden hour") I took approximately 130 photographs (all between 5-9MB each) of the car from all angles and have now uploaded them to BaT. I just received notice that BaT has accepted the submission and they will begin assembling the listing. I have requested a Monday auction start based on LWB250's recommendation (thanks Dan!). I'm now preparing commentary to go along with the auction to keep watchers engaged.

    Fingers crossed.


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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Ok. We're getting close to the start of the auction. I just approved BaT's auction listing with their verbiage, my edits, and my pictures. I'm now waiting to hear when the auction will start. I have assembled some commentary to add to the discussion as the auction goes on.

    I'll post the link to the listing as soon as it is live.

    Here is a cold start and walkaround video I put together yesterday. Note it is ~3m long as I had to let the engine warm up before doing any mild revving.

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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    When's this auction going live? Can't wait to rev up the peanut gallery.




    lol. Best of luck with the sale!
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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    I approved the auction listing verbiage yesterday and requested that the auction *not* go live on Friday (today) as I did not want to get hit with less eyeballs for when the auction ends in a week with the Memorial Day weekend travel. BaT has been frustratingly slow as they committed last week to have the auction listing ready for preview early this week or before (which I translate to Monday or earlier) and they delivered on Thursday afternoon @ 1P.

    If it goes live on Monday, it will be an 8 day auction and end on the Tuesday after Memorial Day.

    Thanks and I appreciate the offer to get the peanut gallery all riled up!


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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    I wish you the best of luck w/ the sale! I’ve owned my ‘95 C36 for over 7 yrs. These cars are so underrated in terms of the value, it makes no sense. Yours is low mileage and very clean!! I really hope you get top dollar for it. I’m definitely keeping an eye on the auction.

    Also, I would recommend you stress in the auction it utilizes the robust 4 spd trans and not the questionable 5spd which followed in the final yr of production.

    GL,

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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    The auction is (finally) live.

    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...enz-c36-amg-4/


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    FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Let the Peanut Gallery(TM) begin !!!

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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Well done. I will be on the lookout for the w140 piece that you have in the spare tire.
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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Cory -

    Thank you. i’ve got a 17” insert for you. I can probably source a W140 piece.


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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Well just a little over 24 hours in to the auction and the price sits at $8500. The commentary on this model and the example I am selling has been very positive (save one guy who treats CarFax as an authority on ownership — thanks GSXR and CCrelan for the assist on this).

    I’m hopeful the auction continues to stay active as I plan to add commentary daily. Feel free to ask me questions on the listing.


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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Looks like the discussion is pretty sane so far, with none of the typical ignorant BaT neckbeards making stupid comments.

    Would love to see the bidding go higher. Much higher.

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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    The emblem's you mentioned in your BaT comments are original and were present on models from 92-96. 1997 saw the emblem design change to the individual characters. Not uncommon to see vehicles in this age range with the new style AMG logo, even on my 1995 C36, I replaced the AMG emblem with the 97+ design.
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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ntrepid View Post
    The auction is (finally) live.

    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...enz-c36-amg-4/


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    Car presents well, Robert. Good luck,

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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Quote Originally Posted by 2phast View Post
    The emblem's you mentioned in your BaT comments are original and were present on models from 92-96. 1997 saw the emblem design change to the individual characters. Not uncommon to see vehicles in this age range with the new style AMG logo, even on my 1995 C36, I replaced the AMG emblem with the 97+ design.
    Thanks Rik! Good to know. Great thing I used the phrase “the only model that I know of” since I learned something new today. This part has been superseded in the EPC as I ordered the original part number for my red C36 and got the updated version instead!


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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ntrepid View Post
    Thanks Rik! Good to know. Great thing I used the phrase “the only model that I know of” since I learned something new today. This part has been superseded in the EPC as I ordered the original part number for my red C36 and got the updated version instead!


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    That is quite common for many parts. These "superseded" parts do make it hard if someone desires to restore their vehicle to exactly how it came from the factory. I am sure you could find some NOS on EBay, they pop up from time to time.
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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Just about 20 hours to go (the auction ends @ 1530 ET on Tuesday). Bidding has progressed well and now sits at $14K. So far, the commentary has been very complimentary to the condition as well as the model with some commenting on their experience with their own C36. I feel pretty good about the prospects on this sale and someone is going to take home a special car with really low miles.

    I really appreciate the feedback provided to date.


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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Indeed, a very kind peanut gallery with none of the usual BaT neckbeards commenting. Bravo!

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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    I think being active in the comments helps a lot. I actually prebuilt a collection of comments to talk about the car and then added them from time to time. For people people watching the auction (currently 421) and selecting "Keep me in this conversation via email", every time a comment was posted, they get a notification and the comment text via email.


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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Well, obviously it was too good to be true -- a neckbeard showed up and is claiming this car is repainted based on the paint thickness. I've tried to respond as professionally as possible saying that thickness does not indicate repaint but rather **considerable change** in thickness does.

    Can anyone tell me if you know of a thickness MB uses on this generation of cars or maybe our E500/500E cars? If someone has a few readings to share, that would be great.


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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    I can't help with the expected thickness, but I would caution that unless a very high-end gauge is used (like, ~$1000) the accuracy is questionable. The meter shown in the photos (link here) may not be exactly accurate, or calibrated properly... would be difficult to know unless tested against a professional-level meter, or with a measured thickness as in the tape test in the Porsche Registry article (PDF attached).

    IMO, most paint thickness gauges are useful based on precision, not accuracy. Meaning that is 20 measurements are taken all around the car with the same gauge, and 1 panel reads drastically thicker than the other 19, something is up with that panel. And of course it can help locate bondo/filler areas. But trying to take a specific reading and taking the exact number in mils / micrometers / whatever as gospel... that's inconclusive, IMO. Especially if you don't have data on the thickness when the car left the factory. Could be that Mercedes painting process results in higher numbers than other manufacturers.

    Who is this Gjorvik guy who apparently is intent on proving your car was repainted, a few hours before auction close?
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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    To use a GVZ trademarked term, Gjorvik seems to be a "neckbeard" trying to keep the price low (and possibly in his range) by inserting doubt near to the auction close. He seems to be a miscreant and frustrated by BaT not accepting his C32 which he continues to either (1) call this car or (2) is really talking about his car -- a C32.

    This is entirely frustrating as this is what people are seeing and maybe being swayed to not bid. I flagged both comments as not constructive. Apparently, BaT will remove them after enough people flag it.


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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    This might be helpful for some, with regard to the term.

    Screenshot 2018-05-29 12.02.38.jpg

    I wouldn't worry too much about that commenter and his obsession with paint thickness. It's been discussed and refuted enough to assuage the doubts of any reasonable bidder. I hope it gets into the high teens before the auction ends.

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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    The pre-merger comment is wrong (IMO) but since it's kinda irrelevant, I'll wait until the auction is over so as not to distract from the car or the sale!

    Why does everyone forget the E60 came out before the C36? (At least, I thought it did!)


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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    The pre-merger comment is wrong (IMO) but since it's kinda irrelevant, I'll wait until the auction is over so as not to distract from the car or the sale!

    Why does everyone forget the E60 came out before the C36? (At least, I thought it did!)

    That is true, also the comment about it being the first co-op is also incorrect. The info in the Wiki is incorrect, it is correct if you were to specify the first co-op in the USA, but if were talking about the first co-op of the new relationship, it would be the 190e 3.2 or the 300e 3.4l (assuming were talking about a complete vehicle offered through Mercedes dealerships and which also had its own sales brochures). There is some question as to which was first, but according to my contacts, the 190e 3.2l availability was in the Mercedes system BEFORE the 300e 3.4l. Both predated the 500sl 6.0 as well. Prior to this, you could order ala-cart AMG options on your vehicle and these parts would be installed at AMG, and encoded into the VIN. This process started in 1992. Prior to 1992, you had to order your vehicle, then have the completed vehicle shipped to AMG for modification (The modifications at that time were not encoded into the VIN).

    We could debate if a co-op includes the ability to order AMG options at the dealer, have the partially finished vehicle shipped from Mercedes to AMG for modification, shipped back to Mercedes and then Mercedes encoding the information into the VIN, finishing the build and then shipping it to the dealer. To me, that is the first co-op.
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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Happy with the price?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post
    Happy with the price?
    Absolutely. I got all of the money I had in to it (car, BaT buyer premium, parts, and BaT listing fee) and a little more.


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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Congrats Robert!!

    Somebody got a nice car. I see your a happy camper also.
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    Re: FS: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Well, I can confirm a great ending to this BaT auction. The new owner took the train down from Delaware this morning and I picked him up at the closest Metro which gave me some time to fill the tank with premium fuel as well as added a bottle of Chevron Techron (good for the 2 hour drive back home).

    We walked through the car and the documentation before going in to get the Bill of Sale notarized. We share the same bank and he forwarded the last half of the car selling price (he provided the first half upon close of the auction).


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    Re: SOLD: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    That's great Robert. Its really wonderful when you can meet like minded individuals in this community, and the transactions go smoothly. In all my used car dealings, I have always had similar experiences.

    The new owner is a lucky guy! That thing was/is a beaut.
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    Re: SOLD: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Congrats - it was a nice example! I might consider using BAT on my next sale.

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    Re: SOLD: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    So a quick update which I thought I never thought I would need to post.

    Within 12 hours of picking up the C36, the new owner experienced a CEL with the car running very rough. As I had disclosed in the BaT auction, the PO (to me) had experienced the same issue and displayed an enormous amount of integrity with getting this resolved prior to my BaT purchase completing. The PO took it to a shop and *paid* for all 3 coil packs to be replaced at a cost of $543.97 (Receipt attached - $348/parts, $136.80 in labor, balance of environmental fees and taxes on parts). The car traveled ~300 miles in my stewardship and never threw the CEL.

    The new owner and I started to troubleshoot what the P0306 error code in the #6 cylinder could be other than the coil packs as they had all been replaced. This involved removing the new coil packs. The third coil pack took 30 minutes to remove. So here is what was discovered:

    Looking down the well of #5:
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    Looking down the well of #6:
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    Side-by-side Comparison of #6 & #5 spark plugs:
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    So maybe one would think, "Ah ha! A spark plug has fouled!" but a visual inspection of the coil packs seemed to indicate something else was amiss:

    EACE42D3-C78E-4CE4-B0F4-FF0FDEFBCD3B.jpeg3E2EFDCA-0100-416E-B7A5-61CF873C28C8.jpegBA7381F5-5553-4412-9C78-5C1E5F23B198.jpeg

    So the quick moral to the story is "Доверяй, но проверяй" {Doveryai, no proveryai} (trust, but verify).

    I communicated with the shop that invoiced for the replacement of 3 coil packs (but only did 2). The shop claimed that I had them "over a barrel" with asking for them to refund 1/3 of the labor but were willing to send me a new coil pack. I have duly notified the PO to me and let him know of the graft in hopes of raising his awareness if he ever uses this shop again.

    BTW, the OEM price for a coil pack on this car is $67. They charged the PO $117.

    Lastly, although the new owner resisted taking payment, I insisted and he eventually relented since I had sold the car under the understanding of all 3 coil packs were new.

    As I tell my 3 young kids, "If you have nothing else in this world, you have your word." It is sad to see people doing business this way.


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    Re: SOLD: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Nice to see the problem resolved!


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    Re: SOLD: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Note the third coil pack is marked "PRC"... wonder if the shop did possibly replace it, but they only had 2 OEM coils, and popped in the no-name third coil rather than wait for the correct brand to arrive? Seems silly to do 99% of the work and skip the third coil.


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    Re: SOLD: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Remember to check out the fouling on the end of it. Can you get that much from 300 miles? The car saw no rain during these 300 miles either.


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    Re: SOLD: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

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    Remember to check out he fouling on the end of it. Can you get that much from 300 miles? The car saw no rain during these 300 miles either.
    Good point! I don't have a good explanation for the corrosion on the outside of the plug.


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    Dave: Regarding the corrosion on the plug and coil pack connector--is it possible someone steam cleaned or power washed the engine bay and water leaked into this particular plug well ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geraniumtr View Post
    Dave: Regarding the corrosion on the plug and coil pack connector--is it possible someone steam cleaned or power washed the engine bay and water leaked into this particular plug well ?
    That is a good guess, Peter. I'm really not sure why only the one plug was affected.


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    Re: SOLD: 1996 Mercedes C36, 41Kmi, Black/Black (Great Falls, VA)

    Yeah that’s... unfortunately ... the story with used cars. You just don’t know who was where and did what, until after you buy. I’ve been very blessed, to have bought well — cars that were still under or just off factory warranty, with VMI “proof”, and people who know and care about me to take care of them after purchase. So for example, I’m standing there talking to them while they work on the cars. Very little of it my doing, mind you — it’s just the way my story unfolded, praise God.

    None of this helps Intrepid’s situation. But good on you Robert for sticking with the integrity that got you here.

    Cheers,

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    P.S. I was at a local Mercedes dealer yesterday listening to some poor service advisor telling someone on the phone how “you shouldn’t see this many parts replaced on a car with these few miles. Something happened to this car. You should go back to the selling dealer.” [Face palm emoji]...

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