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    Is it possible to use a ASR speedometer head with Non ASR Faceplate?

    Hi all,

    I recently wanted to add a V8 W124 cluster to my spares hoard. In particular since the engine speed tachometer is V8 specific and impossible to find here.

    Then there is also my E36 AMG project car. That is a 1987 W124 saloon in which I have installed for w202 C36 running gear and wiring harness - running but not complete or road legal yet. I wanted an electronic w124 speedometer head for it (V8 only) hence also the want for a V8 cluster. (The donor C36 gearbox was installed as well and has the electronic speedometer output. I have read this is a 500E gearbox on the C36 models- not certain of that)

    In steps my first oversight. I agreed to buy a cluster from board member Benz. It was after I agreed to buy it that I realised I actually needed a Non ASR cluster since my donor C36 did not have ASR. Being a man of my word I said nothing and completed the purchase as I said I would.

    I then bought another W124 V8 cluster off Ebay to come from USA and it arrived today also. It was stated as Only for non ASR Models. Of course, you guessed it they sent me the wrong V8 w124 cluster being another ASR model.

    Hence this question - is it possible at all for me to swap on another 160mph w124 faceplate (I don't mind about gear shift point indication accuracy - doesn't matter on the E36) which will cover up the ASR lamp and it would function as normal?

    Ideally if any board members have a non ASR V8 speedo head in your hoard could you snap me a couple of pictures looking at the rear electrical connections of the speedometer head please? I would like to compare to the ASR units I have to see if it is simply an extra "lamp" plug connection that I can leave off.
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    Re: Is it possible to use a ASR speedometer head with Non ASR Faceplate?

    Joe, I believe you can swap the faceplate... but it will have to come from an electronic (V8) speedo. The odometer windows are located in a slightly different position on the mechanical speedometers, and will not line up properly. Assorted photos are at this link.

    And yes, the ASR speedos have an extra electrical connector for the lamp. Another option is to just leave the ASR window+lamp in place and ignore it, or wire it up so it illuminates for some other function (i.e., low oil pressure warning, engine high temp warning, or something else that MB neglected to have on our cars).


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    Re: Is it possible to use a ASR speedometer head with Non ASR Faceplate?

    I have a few .034 clusters I can sell, if you are interested. All of them have ASR faceplates.

    I will snap a few photos for you today and post up here.

    Funnily enough, my G320, which uses a W124 cluster housing and near-identical instruments, uses a W463-specific version of the ASR speedo, with the triangle light illuminated when the truck's "ABS OFF" switch is pressed (for off-road use, of course). So it is possible to wire these up for additional uses.

    Please let me know on the cluster, because I am leaving for the next 11 days and would need to get it shipped ASAP, or else wait until near the end of the month.

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    Re: Is it possible to use a ASR speedometer head with Non ASR Faceplate?

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    I have a few .034 clusters I can sell, if you are interested. All of them have ASR faceplates.

    I will snap a few photos for you today and post up here.

    Funnily enough, my G320, which uses a W124 cluster housing and near-identical instruments, uses a W463-specific version of the ASR speedo, with the triangle light illuminated when the truck's "ABS OFF" switch is pressed (for off-road use, of course). So it is possible to wire these up for additional uses.

    Please let me know on the cluster, because I am leaving for the next 11 days and would need to get it shipped ASAP, or else wait until near the end of the month.

    Cheers,
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    Thankyou Gerry - I have 2x ASR v8 w124 clusters now - and I like Dave's idea of using the lamp for another function! So I think I'm good.

    Out of curiosity did you mean your 034 clusters are ASR? Or non ASR?
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    Re: Is it possible to use a ASR speedometer head with Non ASR Faceplate?

    I only pick ASR clusters when I see .034s in the yards. Generally, more often than not, .034s here do have ASR, at least the 10-12 I've seen in the yards over the years. I'd say they are about 2/3 ASR to 1/3 non-ASR.

    Since I have two of them in stock now, I have let two more ASR clusters go in the past month. Just no need for them.

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    Re: Is it possible to use a ASR speedometer head with Non ASR Faceplate?

    I have a non ASR cluster with new speedo gears installed, Joe. I'll be happy to sell or take pictures if it helps as well. Sorry, I didn't know you were looking for one earlier.

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    Re: Is it possible to use a ASR speedometer head with Non ASR Faceplate?

    Gerry- that's good to know. Someone should grab those units from you as spares! I'm good though with 2x spare ASR units at the moment. (Shipping too expensive to return the latest eBay one)

    Drew - PM sent. I'll also post pics of my 2x clusters later.
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    Re: Is it possible to use a ASR speedometer head with Non ASR Faceplate?

    Also - I do need the little plastic connector plugs for the w124V8 speedometer to splice into my E36 wiring loom. I can price or check if I can still get these new.

    If any members have ready access to a V8 w124 parts car would you mind snipping those plug ends off for me?
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    Re: Is it possible to use a ASR speedometer head with Non ASR Faceplate?

    These are the ASR 400E / E420 speedometers I have at the moment. The ebay one has the tag on it still. Benz one is missing a few bits (He told me that anyway) and I have a half dozen other w124 clusters I can take those bits from again.

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    Re: Is it possible to use a ASR speedometer head with Non ASR Faceplate?

    Here are pictures showing a non ASR cluster from a 92 400E.
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    Re: Is it possible to use a ASR speedometer head with Non ASR Faceplate?

    Thanks for the Pics Drew - PM sent. I think I am going to keep 1x spare V8 ASR cluster and get 1x spare V8 non ASR cluster to leave my options open.

    If any UK members are interested in having a spare 400E ASR cluster let me know

    (V8 electronic speedo + 8 cylinder Engine speed taco. RE the speedo it will function in a E500E in an emergency BUT to qoute GIXER: The USA-spec .034 speedo is calibrated for 25" tires and a 2.24 axle ratio, instead of 26" tires and 2.82 ratio. Also, the shift-point indicators will be at different speeds. The fuel gauge calibration is also slightly different, but can be adjusted. The temp, oil pressure, clock, and tach are all identical)
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