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    Roof trim rubber part number help

    What is the part number for this? The rubber under the roof trim.

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    Is it part 191?

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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    The rubber gasket on the roof trims is part of the trim. Both trims were available as of a few weeks back. About $150. each. I believe part no. 191 is showing the rubber seal that sits under the trim from fender to top of windshield.

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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    Thanks! R - can you post your experiences at obtaining new trims as well? Part Numbers? Naperville? And are they really $150?
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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    So those roof trim parts are 185 in the parts diagram I posted.

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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    I'm ready to reinstall these roof trims and I cannot recall a detail from disassembly. Due to the design of the holding clips they can only be orientated in one direction. The two sides of the channel are different from one another and the clips are designed to match. Each clip installs at an area with a small bump formed into the channel. Can anyone tell me if the clips are installed fore or aft of this bump?

    I recommend new clips to anyone replacing these trims. The old clips become brittle from years in the sun beneath the black aluminum. Every one was bad on my car.
    BTW...the picture of the rear window trim shows the results of applying 3M wrap as a solution to covering the faded anodization without removal. I'm quite pleased with the results. All other trim is new.
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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    FYI... there are different clips at the rear of the roof rail (black metal clip instead of silver), and there are 3 sizes of each. I've always replaced the existing ones with the same size/color/type.

    Can't remember about the location question, sorry, Drew!

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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    FYI... there are different clips at the rear of the roof rail (black metal clip instead of silver), and there are 3 sizes of each. I've always replaced the existing ones with the same size/color/type.
    So if I want to order the correct number of clips to re+re one trim, what exactly do I order and how many?

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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam SL View Post
    So if I want to order the correct number of clips to re+re one trim, what exactly do I order and how many?
    Unfortunately, the only way to find out is to remove your roof trim rails, and look at the existing clips... then use the photos above to determine part numbers. Each car may be different.


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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    I have taken the roof trim off my Limited, but haven´t looked at this in detail yet. But these channels is the joint between the roof plate and the side structure/member, it´s a stitch welded plate joint covered with sealer and it doesn´t look that accurate. So could it be that the width & depth of the channel varies slightly requiring various clip sizes to accommodate assembly tolerances?
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    Roof trim rubber part number help

    I will see if I loaded the pics of your needs on my owner thread. If so, I will let you know to go have a look.

    Ok I found a pic that may help

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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    This is all helpful. Tom at the Classic Center mentioned the various color choices and the back two (one each side) being different. I removed green, and so ordered green. I may need two more, possibly red, for the rear. I need to look closer. I could understand a variance in build specs for the channel. The channels on my car show no individual variance in width or depth and the green clips seem to grab very well. I have no worries about anything coming loose. I need to look at the pictures and try the rear clips.

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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    Is there a special tool required to remove the trim? Is there a tutorial or video?

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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    My pic showed when I removed the trim, so I would know what to put back. You are right, it seemed to me more of what fit rather than a specific order so there must be a variance in the gaps on some cars versus others. I ordered extra of all of them and varied from the picture some as needed.

    As for the tool, I cannot remember actually, but it was quite a simple task..., pressure fit IIRC, manual with your digits! (GSXR might confirm)
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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    The rails gently pry out of the old clips. HOWEVER, after you install the new clips, they are very very tight. It's more difficult to remove the rail with new clips installed. Make sure you're really ready to install it before whacking it into place!


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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    These nylon pry tools work well and can be found at Harbor Freight.

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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    I may have answered my own question with this pic. The bb sized "bumps" are located on the car centerline side of the channels which is on the left in this picture. The bump is not visible behind the clip pictured so it must be in front.

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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    I've finished installing the roof trims on my car and will pass along a few findings. I installed all the clips directly on top of each molded bump on the inboard side of the channels. I used the green clips at all locations on my 92 model. The outboard side of the channel has a ridge that dictates the height of any of the clip colors installed. This provides some room underneath for the seam sealer which on my car is applied only to the outside area of the channel. Installing the clip on top of the molded bump results in the clip being perfectly level to accept the trim. Any other configuration may cause the trim to twist slightly. The seam sealer thins out noticeably about 4 or 5 inches from the back of the channel however with the clip installed on top of the bumps the positioning is optimum.

    The clips are designed for single use. Once the colored ramp is squeezed toward the white part of the clip (I used some thin channellocks) the clip is anchored and cannot be removed. The rubber seals (124 698 01 98 & 124 698 02 98) that lay under the trim at the side of the windshield are installed onto the trims first indexed with holes on the underside of the trims. Upon installation, the front of the trim is first inserted under the edge of the fender. Next, I lined up the blade on the underside of the trim with all the clips positioning the back of the trim about 8mm from the edge of the roof. Starting now from the front begin tapping the trim in with the palm of your hand while checking that the seal underneath is not entering any of the clips and is seating properly. Continue down the trim towards the back while making sure the blade is positioned correctly to enter each clip. Finish with a light tapping with a rubber mallet and a thick rag to seat. Apologies for the lack of pictures. I'll try to add some later.

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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    Thanks for the write up, Drew!
    I have never installed these trims, only taken them off once - and I was luckily instructed to start at the rear end before I started.

    Did you find any reason around the various clip size combos green/red/white/black?
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    Re: Roof trim rubber part number help

    I only have the green and the red clips. Of these, the difference is solely in the colored portion of the clip, the red being taller but no wider. When inserted in the channel the red clip was a bit high even without placement over a bump. I did find a clip in my stash, some which came from other cars, that had a black metal clip in the white portion of the arrangement. This was identical in size to the other arrangements and leads me to believe MB switched coatings although Daves pictures show an all black version. Still a bit puzzling.

    Starting at the rear may allow a more accurate placement of the trim. I was concerned with getting the front portion under the fender however there is likely enough flex to do this last as evidenced by a recent post outlining windshield removal showing the front portion of the trim released and pulled away for access.


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