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    M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    supercharger setup for m117 engine.

    custom alluminium intake manifold,
    whit 4x laminova intercooler cores inside the manifold that are watercooled.


    supercharger is a magnason mp2300.


    billet andonized pulleys whit crankpulley for supercharger over drive.


    easy 600hp+ is managable whit a custom efi setup!


    we are also looking to build something like this for some one whit an m119 engine if some might be intressed?




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    Re: m117 supercharger setup

    Sure is Pretty!

    I think the biggest hurdle w/ the 500E/M119 is that integrating stand alone seamlessly is Utterly do-able but costly. If the LH system could be tweaked to handle this sort of thing demand would be Exponentially greater.


    Regardless, I'd love to see a setup for a 119 come together...for those that want to make something ANGRY while utilizing this architecture it would bad-ass.

    Curious, what the intercooler/blower setup for the 117 came in @? is the bottom end built for boost or...?

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    Re: m117 supercharger setup

    Quote Originally Posted by jhodg5ck View Post
    Sure is Pretty!

    I think the biggest hurdle w/ the 500E/M119 is that integrating stand alone seamlessly is Utterly do-able but costly. If the LH system could be tweaked to handle this sort of thing demand would be Exponentially greater.
    Regardless, I'd love to see a setup for a 119 come together...for those that want to make something ANGRY while utilizing this architecture it would bad-ass.

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    Yeah! That intake manifold is really slick!

    I agree w/ Jono --- if you could remap the fuel curves in the LH injection computer (and I suppose would have the remap the timing curves in the EZL?) --- and then require the owner to swap out the 8 OE fuel injectors for bigger ones, that would perhaps be the most elegant approach with the highest # of takers. A "shortcut" I have seen people take, especially on low-boost systems, is just to use an additional fuel injector or two, controlled by a "piggyback" computer --- I've always found those kinds of setups to be kind of a hack.
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    Re: m117 supercharger setup

    Any details of the runner design and length under the ic cores? Pictures would help alot. Also if the turbo intake manifold. Would possibly be interested rather to build my own for my sleeper. But want to know the intake runner design first since I have a quite specific requirement...
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    Re: m117 supercharger setup

    Looks amazing. However I'm not sure if 600hp+ is feasible on the 5.0L M119 with the stock 10:1 compression ratio... would probably need to reduce compression to get that power level? I think 450, maybe 500, might be doable with stock compression/pistons/injectors/etc.

    The additional drive/pulley/belt for the blower may create clearance problems in the W124 chassis, likely need an electric cooling fan due to space limitations? Should be much easier in an S/SL class.

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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    Very nice looking setup. Very cool to see people doing something on these. That has to be 10-15k for that setup at least plus the headers. What are you doing for the rest of the engine. Stock?

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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    we are not going to use the orginal injection system. its pointless and dangerous.

    if you wanne make reliable power, you need to convert to efi.

    ignition advance needs to be realy 100% contrable its much needed for induction engines.

    ive tried it on a old kjet system. i found it worthless in my eyes.

    we should be able to make easy 600-700 hp on stock m117 engine whit the charger. probaly alot more.

    on my own car whit the twin turbos, we are hoping to make a minium of 1000hp whit an stock bottom end. soon we will dyno that. on half boost ime already doing 100-200 in about 5 seconds on half power.

    than we will build a car whit the supercharger later this year and also dyno it.

    we are also going to offer a more affordable supercharger setup, cause this intake manifold is pretty hardcore. and expensive to create.






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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    On the M117, yes, the orginal mechanical CIS injection system is pointless and dangerous. Totally agree. Still not sure if you can get 600-700hp on the M117 with stock compression ratio though?

    On the M119 with LH-SFI, it's actually a very good sequential injection system. Aftermarket ECU would render the factory traction control (ASR) useless, which is why some people would be more interested in retaining the factory systems if possible. The trick would be seeing if the LH system can be reprogrammed for higher levels of boost. Albrex/Koenig systems retained the LH injection but they were low-boost setups (4-6 psi?).


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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    yes, the orginal mechanical CIS injection system is pointless and dangerous. Totally agree.
    I have a feeling you enjoyed that a bit too much Dave - cue GVZ

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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    i mean you dont have to believe , we will prove whit numbers soon.

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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    I wasn't talking about CIS/CISE, I was discussing LH on an M119 which you asked if there was interest in.


    In defense of CIS/CISE is not the most precise system nor intuitive system, but if you have the correct tools and take the time it will do the trick and make ALL The fuel.. especially the Late fuel distro's, like off the 119 and 104. They have dual metering slits and w/ the differential pressures turned up god they'll flow..! In some ways the CIS cars are easier to boost since you can set up the WUR to respond to pressure in the intake vs just working off vacuum. The CIS/E really needs a piggy pack to trick the mA signal to the EHA in order to make Fuel happen when it should...! An MSD box in line on either can be tucked away to control timing despite what the EZL wants to do.

    MOTEC can be made to talk to the Bosch ABS/ASR system so you Could retain all that system w/ out going totally nuts...but again, ripping all the LH bits out does a number for re-sale.
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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    pherhaps. we will see, but how ime seeing it, it would be to costly to develop. and not sold alot to get all the research cost and everything to get it running properly out of it.

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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    Any details to the manifold design yet? Especially for the turbo intake manifold.... Since my supercharger sits on the side of the engine.
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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    the turbo intake and supercharger manifold are the same. just the airbox on top is for the turbo build.
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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    I think takers are strictly by what it costs.

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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    well we are going to offer different kind of setups. so anyone can participate mostly .

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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    Quote Originally Posted by neviu View Post
    the turbo intake and supercharger manifold are the same. just the airbox on top is for the turbo build.
    Thx for the picture. I figured that already that the intercooler part is the same and only the top is depending on the application. However please let me know details of the intake port design, length etc. As I said I m interested in one of these but can only decide if I could see the intake port design.
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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    andy can you set up your turbo car with the supercharger also?
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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    Are you doing Alloy Pulleys for the m119 too? (For Stock Setup)
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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    A M119 intake manifold with the integrated IC is interesting. But not the screw compressor, I'll keep the radial compressor. Doesn't the later version Electromotive accommodate for ASR/ABS and cruise control parameters as well?
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    Re: m117 supercharger setup

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Looks amazing. However I'm not sure if 600hp+ is feasible on the 5.0L M119 with the stock 10:1 compression ratio... would probably need to reduce compression to get that power level? I think 450, maybe 500, might be doable with stock compression/pistons/injectors/etc.

    The additional drive/pulley/belt for the blower may create clearance problems in the W124 chassis, likely need an electric cooling fan due to space limitations? Should be much easier in an S/SL class.

    MsVmax's first SC build was done on a stock 5.0 engine, and IIRC something blew up during initial test drive/run, head gaskets or something. I think they got somewhere north of 430 hp. (her next SC build was on a completely different engine set up)
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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    You guys are so funny. Seriously almost any modern ecu has better traction control strategies than these old cars. You could gut the entire computer system in these cars and put something 100x better in. But if you really wanted you could probably get an ecu to communicate on the CAN bus. It depends on the speed and protocols. Again any system worth its salt has this ability. ALso there are gateways that you can go from one to the other with. You could do all this and have it made to fit the original ecu case even. Its just money.

    As far as the engine is concerned. Sure it has higher compression but again by todays standards not really. And there is this magical stuff called race gas or E85. But just for example I have made around 500hp from a stock m104 engine on pump gas at 11psi of boost with good timing. Keeping the air temps under control is key. I think that open deck blocks would not be very successful unless you added support for the cylinders and the headgasket. But I think 7-800hp is probably no problem. More on good fuel. Put a bed plate on it and some MLS headgaskets and turn up the boost. A lot more. Remember modern engines like the M156 are high compression N/A engines that you can slap a blower on and take a 500 Ck/hp engine to a 750 whp engine. That is almost doubling the power.

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    Re: M117 supercharger setup - any interest in M119?

    exactly whipplem, the modern ecu`s are so much better.

    ive made 634 hp on my stock 500 engine, before i put the turbos on whit a vortech charger.

    we made over 700 hp whit 2.3-16v engine whit stock headgasket, only different conrods and pistons.
    450 and we blew up the rods,.

    i dont see any problem in making so much power whit stock head gasket. its all about the tune most of the time.

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