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    For whatever this is worth, this m119 had 291k miles on it.
    And look at how clean everything looks!
    I was amazed.
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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    He had the full maintenance log as if the car was Air Force One

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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    So what oils are available with 229.5 spec which have a high amount of esters and poa base stock? Motul 8100 xmax has been discontinued. Looking for my next oil change.

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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    Quote Originally Posted by samiam44 View Post
    So what oils are available with 229.5 spec which have a high amount of esters and poa base stock? Motul 8100 xmax has been discontinued. Looking for my next oil change.
    I dont care to be honest what base stock and whatnot. If an oil gets the named approval 229.5 - it is a very good oil even for high-power/race engine like AMG. I remember a german oil company lately said that their current "partial synthetic" or "hydro crack" oils with the modern additive packages they use, are far better than the so called "full synthetic"/ POA based oils, that were hyped within the last 10-15 years... And i believe them. There are "full synthetic" oils that dont match/get the 229.5 approval, while many hydrocrack ones do.
    229.5 is my reference and here in germany i choose 5W-40 as viscosity for our use and temperatures. My oil is "Meguin High-Condition 5W-40". We use it in 6 cars here in the family. On my M113 AMG 5.5Kompressor, The M272 3.0 in the W211 and the W210 M113 4.3, we have Assyst intervals, which uses the oil sensor in the oilpan. And together with the white fleece oilfilter for these 3 engines, we have intervalls as long as 20.000km before the Assyst tells it want an oilchange.
    On the 500E, i change it every 2 years. Even on the AMG, i changed it after 2 years now, despite the fact that i only did about 1500km or so in the 2 years.
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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    FYI, Mobil is offering a $12 rebate on any 5-quart jug of Mobil 1. Purchases must be made by May 31. Walmart isn't on the list of "Participating Retailers" but I've never had an issue getting rebate checks from my Wally-world sourced M1.

    https://mobiloil.com/en/promotion/mo...march-may-2018

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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    Quote Originally Posted by Christian_K View Post
    I remember a german oil company lately said that their current "partial synthetic" or "hydro crack" oils with the modern additive packages they use, are far better than the so called "full synthetic"/ POA based oils, that were hyped within the last 10-15 years... And i believe them.
    I don't believe them. They are trying to sell their product. There is pretty much no way any Group III oil is superior to a good Group IV/V other than lower price.


    Quote Originally Posted by Christian_K View Post
    There are "full synthetic" oils that dont match/get the 229.5 approval, while many hydrocrack ones do. 229.5 is my reference ...
    That is because an oil manufacturer (for example, Red Line) has to submit their specific oil to MB for testing, along with huge amounts of money, to get MB's formal approval. If a company doesn't expect to sell a LOT of oil to that specific market, they have no incentive to make that investment. So yes, there will be MANY excellent oils that are not on the MB spec sheets. Especially "botique" oils like Red Line or Amsoil.



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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    For what it's worth, I've used Mobil 1 0W-40 in all of the M119 powered cars I've owned and changed it at 5k intervals. Several of those cars had in excess of 250k on the clock, and were very clean inside. Even in the hottest times of the year here, with AC on and sitting at idle in 90F+ ambients oil pressure was a good 1.5 bar or better. On only one of those cars did I go to 15W-50 when I saw (summer) oil pressure drop close to 1.0 bar at hot idle. That was probably overkill, but I wanted to be safe. Oil change in the fall got it back on 0W-40.

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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    I ran across this the other day and wondered if it applies to our engines - oil too thick??

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ngbn8eW8P4


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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogeyman View Post
    I ran across this the other day and wondered if it applies to our engines - oil too thick??

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ngbn8eW8P4
    Well, yes and no. MB’s recommendations for viscosity have been very stable for 30 years now. None of our new engines specify these super thin oils like 0–20, etc. and again to emphasize, as others have stated but somehow people always seem to miss, it’s the high temperature “20“ part that makes it a “thin“ oil, not the low temperature “0” rating.

    The one thing he stated that absolutely applies to ours, if not all engines is to follow the manufacturer recommendations for the viscosity.

    One of the things that I remember with some hilarity is when our then Tampa dealer owner took on the then new Infiniti franchise. They were in our “old“ MB dealer building just next-door. Apparently, they did not at first have their own dedicated oil selection, they were simply using our recently vacated building’s tanks and getting whatever 15–40, 20-40, 20-50, we had in our tanks at the time of the move. As was common Japanese practice even back then, Nissan was specifying something much thinner than any of that. On the first cold snap, all of these Infinities were being towed in for “cranks/no start“. Some of them even had ruptured or blown off spin on oil filters...

    Upon cranking, there was some resistance almost immediately followed by the engine starting and dying while producing an odd sound. If you tried cranking them up shortly afterwards, they sounded just like all the spark plugs were removed.
    Apparently, the oil pressure relief valves were small enough that they could not control the engine oil pressure which climbed high enough to cause the lifters to travel to their end stops, thereby sticking all the valves open. If you let them sit long enough, they would go back to normal, but there were many free oil and filter changes done during some of those colder weeks. Turned out, we were not alone. Apparently, this happened to a number of Infiniti and Lexus dealers, as they were often franchises taken on by dealerships that already served European high-line cars. It did not happen to the few Toyota and Nissan dealerships that ponied up enough to take on their new luxury nameplates. Funny enough, we HAD a sister Nissan dealer just downtown. I'm sure they were already quite familliar with this syndrome. We weren't...
    It’s simple. The people that designed and produced your car, whatever it is, have no interest in you having engine trouble or premature wear. At least for use on public roads, can’t go wrong putting in it what the people that designed it told you belongs in it...
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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    I'm going to use the 5w40, motul. Looks like it barely qualifies as a 5w40. Very close to 5w30. Engine has been really quiet over the total 9000 0w30.

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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    Talking about my om648, not my m119. I do notice when racing my 500e, idle oil pressure drops.
    I wonder if red line cv joint grease is in line when I reboot my new axles? I think the original grease is leaded, moly etc.

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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    Quote Originally Posted by Klink View Post
    Well, yes and no. MB’s recommendations for viscosity have been very stable for 30 years now. None of our new engines specify these super thin oils like 0–20, etc. and again to emphasize, as others have stated but somehow people always seem to miss, it’s the high temperature “20“ part that makes it a “thin“ oil, not the low temperature “0” rating. ...

    The one thing he stated that absolutely applies to ours, if not all engines is to follow the manufacturer recommendations for the viscosity.

    It’s simple. ... At least for use on public roads, can’t go wrong putting in it what the people that designed it told you belongs in it...
    ^^^ This. If in doubt, just use what MB officially specifies. Or at a MINIMUM, use the viscosity MB specifies!! Klink, that Inifiti story was pure awesomesauce.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    I don't believe them. They are trying to sell their product. There is pretty much no way any Group III oil is superior to a good Group IV/V other than lower price.
    Just one example from the brand i use to show you its different:
    The oil i use currently http://www.meguin.de/meguin/produktd...l?Open&land=ME has the 229.5 approval and its "hydrocracked" but it has the most modern additive package.
    The "full synthehtic" one in same viscosity they also offer, is only recommended for 229.3 approval... http://www.meguin.de/meguin/produktd...cument&land=ME
    Why do you think is that? I think its the additive package - there was the most innovation in the last 10 years. So today you can use a on paper "inferior" base oil, put a good additive package in it and it will receive the highest approvals.

    That is because an oil manufacturer (for example, Red Line) has to submit their specific oil to MB for testing, along with huge amounts of money, to get MB's formal approval. If a company doesn't expect to sell a LOT of oil to that specific market, they have no incentive to make that investment. So yes, there will be MANY excellent oils that are not on the MB spec sheets. Especially "botique" oils like Red Line or Amsoil.
    229.5 in standard visosities like "5W-40" or "0W-40" is a HUGE Market here in germany/europe. I rather believe that most oils simply do not achieve the named MB approval 229.5 - its the toughest in the engine oil business im aware of. Even ARAL once stated it in their Oil-Fibel online.
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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    Sure, you can have a great additive package in a mediocre base stock, and it will perform just fine for >99% of applications, in normal service, when changed at appropriate intervals.

    This does not make it the best oil for every application / usage.


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    That is some *damn* good trolling, Christian! Keep it up!

    When it comes to GSXR, oil has become the new "mushroom"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    That is some *damn* good trolling, Christian! Keep it up!

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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    That is some *damn* good trolling, Christian! Keep it up!

    When it comes to GSXR, oil has become the new "mushroom"

    Oel > champignon
    Dunno what you mean. Discussion is vital
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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    While I've read through most of these pages, I don't believe I've seen this particular citing, http://pqiamerica.com/HDEO_Sample_Summary_Dec_2016.html that lists all the chemical composition/elemental analysis for most oils they tested... Considering that few companies actually list all the levels, fun read...

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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    What about el motor oil LIQUI MOLY 5W40?

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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    ok 5W40 also

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    Re: Engine oil recommendations

    Quote Originally Posted by maestro500e View Post
    What about el motor oil LIQUI MOLY 5W40?
    Liqui Moly makes a bunch of different versions of 5W-40. Which one are you looking at? They have 15 different 5W-40 products on their website:

    https://products.liqui-moly.com/oils...viscosity=3722

    Scroll down to view the selection, or use the filters up top to narrow the choices.


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