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    Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Cheers all!

    I need to thin out my driveway. SL320 is going to my brother, WJ Jeep will be sold locally, but to replace it, I do need a 4WD/AWD for occasional bad weather. There is a local car for sale, 2004 W211, it is E500, it is 4matic and according to the owner he is the only owner since new, with all the records from our local dealer.

    94K miles, looks clean, and said to have all the maintenance up to date (going to stop by the dealership after work to see if they can print me the records)

    Other than the "eventually needing" repairs to Airmatic (said to be perfect now, but I know those can be troublesome overtime), is there anything else I should be concerned with? Assuming that there are no issues with the car, $5,000 fair deal? All stock WDBUF83J14X1631

    Thank you in advance for any feedback!
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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    04 had a electric brake booster that is good for X amount of braking
    the pano roof is prone to squeaking
    I think 06 has the regular booster

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    What engine is in the '04 E500?

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    M113 engine... that VIN looks to be missing a digit or two, pulls up nothing. DuhVinci, I’d say that looks to be a fair deal. M113 engine and .6 trans should be near bulletproof. Arnott does replacement air struts that come with lifetime warranties. American company, cut their teeth in Audi circles. I’ve been happy with them. Make sure the transmission connector plug isn’t leaking. You may have eventual conductor plate issues, but given your recent transmission experience that’ll be nothing for you.

    GL, post pics.

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    We looked into an S211 E500 4Matic, since it has the robust yet boring M113 engine, 722.6 trans, and generally is a solid chassis. Most of the chassis repairs aren't any more complicated than a 129 or 124. You will absolutely need a Star Compact SDS C3 or C4 for diagnostics; preferably with the Developer license keygen for DAS, so you can tweak things to your preference.

    The SBC brake module is now covered under extended factory warranty / TSB, so no worries there either. Jono says to replace the Airmatic airbags (assuming it does not have the standard coil spring suspension) with Arnotts when they fail. What color / options? Missing the last 2 digits of the VIN. (We passed on buying the S211 wagon because the third row only fits children or vertically-challenged adults.)

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Opps, the VIN is WDBUF83J14X163125, it certainly does have Airmatic, charcoal metallic exterior, no idea to what interior is, not on the pictures, new listing, promissed me good high res images.

    To the SBS brake module, is it what seller had replaced: "
    Only major issue with vehicle was a service brake warning. Code reveled outlet pressure of the brake control unit was low. Hydraulic unit of brake control unit was replaced under warranty November 2018. No other issues." ?

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Black leather interior, heated seats, but no HID's or other goodies:
    https://www.datamb.com/vin/a8NMV2ovYB7EQln9y

    It does sound like the SBC module has already been replaced, which is a bonus. I like the color combo and it has the minimum options I'd want. Sounds like a nice ride for winter! Just don't expect it to be as quick as a 500E or SL500.


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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Thank you all very much for your time, appreciate it!

    So it sounds like a "much bigger brother" of my C280, M112 is simple, I'm assuming M113 is similar in terms of design and service? 722.6 is also what I have in C280 and its been a great daily, and easy to service. I do like the simplicity, so the less features features the daily driver has better. Glad it has a black leather, more practical for me! I'm just getting home, didn't get a chance to stop by the dealer, let's hope tomorrow.

    Thanks again all!

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    P.S. Still driving on original plug in my 722.6, still no leaks at 136K, I know, on borrowed time

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    BTW, is there any way to pull the service records without stopping by the dealership, just by VIN through any database?

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Duh_Vinci View Post
    BTW, is there any way to pull the service records without stopping by the dealership, just by VIN through any database?
    CarFax is the only publicly-available service that MAY have some data. The dealer can pull a VMI, but that's not officially available to the pub-lick... need to have a friend at the dealer to get the VMI, which will show all work done at dealerships, either in or out of warranty.


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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Why is that data kept a secret like that? Aren't you entitled to know what work has been done to the car?

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    The customer's address is listed on the VMI much like an invoice from service. Obviously they could cover it but I'm sure they are trying to avoid a careless employee forgetting to do so prior to handing it over.


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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Robert is correct. The last customer's name and address shows, so it would be a violation of privacy to give that information out unless there was prior consent from the named person. As mentioned, this data could be easily removed, but it was easier for MB to just dictate that VMI's are "for internal use only".

    Note that some dealers will not mind giving you a copy of the VMI if you are the current owner of the vehicle, especially if you have it in for service. This will largely depend on the service advisor and the rules/policy at that particular dealership.


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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Along the lines with pretty much everyone else here, I think the M113 / 722.6 combo is definitely a winner. Good performance and great reliability.

    On the other hand the early M113/ 722.9 was terrible. I had a '04 E500 for a while and for some reason that engine and tranny just refused to play nice with one another

    Mercedes replaced the valve body (twice), updated the software multiple times, etc. but could never get it to perform in what I would call "acceptable" manner

    After all the attempts to fix it my SA finally just acknowledged to me that they received a lot of complaints about that engine / tranny combo and that it more or less "sucked". Needless to say I dumped the car a short time later.



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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Quote Originally Posted by 600Eric View Post
    On the other hand the early M113/ 722.9 was terrible. I had a '04 E500 for a while and for some reason that engine and tranny just refused to play nice with one another
    Eric, the 2004 E500 would have a 722.6, not a 722.9... did you have problems with your 722.6, or did you have a later year/model?

    I don't think I was aware that MB ever put the M113 in front of a 722.9 trans.


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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Certainly makes sense, I don't think I would want just for anyone from the street to have my personal info readily available just like that...

    Well, the seller did send me the autocheck report, as promised, one owner, from day local car, Jono would probably remember the dealership, Noble Mercedes (now Huber). If we I like it and we agree on the price, owner agreed to go with me to Huber and obtain the printout of the records. I have appt to see the car at 4:30 this afternoon.

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    P.S. Anyone with Carfax that can pull up this VIN WDBUF83J14X163125 by chance? I don't know what's better, carfax or autocheck?

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Duh_Vinci View Post
    P.S. Anyone with Carfax that can pull up this VIN WDBUF83J14X163125 by chance? I don't know what's better, carfax or autocheck?
    CarFax and AutoCheck can sometimes each have unique records that are missing from the other report. CarFax tends to have more data since it includes service information reported from both dealers or indy shops; AutoCheck does not have this. Some states are really bad about registration data or miles, so if a car spent a lot of time in a certain state, there may be almost nothing useful on the report. This is where CarFax can be handy as the service info usually reports odometer readings, which can help identify rollbacks.


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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Eric, the 2004 E500 would have a 722.6, not a 722.9... did you have problems with your 722.6, or did you have a later year/model?

    I don't think I was aware that MB ever put the M113 in front of a 722.9 trans.

    Nope, my '04 E500 absolutely / 100% had a .9 tranny. MB might have still used the .6 in the models with the 4Matic transfer case but the "regular" models got the 7 speed and it was terrible.

    I checked my file for the car on my computer but I do not have the VIN to pull the data card. Only have some pics:

    (Silver of course)

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Here you go Dave:

    Mercedes-Benz 7G-Tronic transmission

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    7G-Tronic
    Overview
    Manufacturer Daimler AG
    Production 2003–
    Body and chassis
    Class 7-speed longitudinal automatic transmission
    Chronology
    Predecessor Mercedes-Benz 5G-Tronic transmission
    Successor Mercedes-Benz 9G-Tronic transmission
    7G-Tronic (coded 722.9) is Mercedes-Benz's trademark name for its seven-speed automatic transmission. This fifth-generation transmission was introduced in the Autumn of 2003 on 8-cylinder models, and was the first seven-speed automatic transmission ever used on a production passenger vehicle.[1]
    The 7G-Tronic initially debuted on five different eight-cylinder models: the E500, S430, S500, CL500, and SL500. It also soon became available on many six-cylinder models. Turbocharged V12 engines, four cylinder applications and commercial vehicles continued to use the older Mercedes-Benz 5G-Tronic transmission for many years.
    The company claims that the 7G-Tronic is more fuel efficient and has shorter acceleration times and quicker intermediate sprints than the outgoing 5-speed automatic transmission.[1]
    The 7G-Tronic has two reverse gear ratios: 3.416 and 2.231. The winter mode, also recently named 'comfort' mode, starts out in 2nd forward and 2nd reverse.
    The transmission can skip gears when downshifting. It also has a lockup torque converter on all seven gears, allowing better transmission of torque for improved acceleration. The transmission's case is made of magnesium, a first for the industry, to save weight.[citation needed]



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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Thanks, Eric! Apparently, the 722.9 was used on the early W211 E500 *without* 4Matic. I didn't know it was introduced so early. I dug up a couple of example VIN's from the interwebs:

    2004 E500 (non-4Matic, WDBUF70J14A542367, M113 + 722.9: https://www.datamb.com/vin/Mm8YVdBxaB92JaKyD
    2005 E500 (non-4Matic, WDBUF70J95A746142, M113 + 722.9: https://www.datamb.com/vin/BPr5q2vaxYeEXmxML

    Oddly, the EPC indicates the 211.070 chassis (non-4Matic) was available with the 722.6 but that may have been only in other countries.

    Note this does not apply to Duh_Vinci's purchase as the 4Matic (211.083) he's looking at uses the ol' reliable 722.6 box.

    Later 722.9's must have had a lot of the bugs worked out, as it seems to work well on later models. Also, the 722.9 has a torque converter drain plug, which is fabulous... the 722.6 converter drain was eliminated as of 1998-ish. Of course, MB had to screw it up by deleting the dipstick tube on the .9 and making level checks (and refilling) a RPITA. But that's a different discussion.


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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Well, we shook on it.

    Originally listed for $6K, but, needs few little things: Headlight lenses (yellowing), passenger side sunvisor mirror, interior door handle has small crack in it. $5k is a fair deal for both of us, we shook on it, picking it up tomorrow after work.

    Very nice couple, ready to retire just thinning out the garage. Indeed they had the car from new. The husband is not a "car guy" from what I can gather, bought it for his wife in 2004, and took it for service religiously, anything was needed or recommended - was done. "A" service just completed, no warning and no advisories. Brand new Continental tires, brand new inspection.

    We will meet with him at the dealership and get a print out of all the service records (feel good about it).

    The car. It is 14 years old, but other than the headlight lenses, presents very well, good paint, very good luster! Interior is great (needs cleaning to my standards), but very very well preserved (the owner's wife is a petite lady).

    The drive: No, not the same as M119, but well mannered, predictable. Very very tight car this example is. No squeaks, no rattles, no noises, just feels like a well sorted car!

    She used to drive it in winter mode all the time for "smoothness" she preferred... I switched to S, and I got her "scared a little" with this driving mode, poor thing, I told her I need to wake it up, she was OK with me giving it a full go though...

    Is it safe to assume that the standard transmission ECU reset that works on early 722.6 would also work on this one:

    1. Turn ignition to ON (do not start)
    2. Press gas pedal all the way down and hold for 5 seconds
    3. Turn ignition to OFF but do not take out key
    4. Release gas pedal
    5. Wait 2 minutes and start car

    So overall, I'm happy with the purchase, its a lot of car for very little money, and I needed awd for occasional bad weather. Now to to organize the garage... My brother is happy that to buy my SL320, so that frees up a space in the next few weeks.

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Thanks, Eric! Apparently, the 722.9 was used on the early W211 E500 *without* 4Matic. I didn't know it was introduced so early. ... Later 722.9's must have had a lot of the bugs worked out, as it seems to work well on later models. Also, the 722.9 has a torque converter drain plug, which is fabulous... the 722.6 converter drain was eliminated as of 1998-ish. Of course, MB had to screw it up by deleting the dipstick tube on the .9 and making level checks (and refilling) a RPITA. But that's a different discussion.
    At least here in yank, the 722.9 was introduced on all naturally aspirated V8 RWD cars for MY '04. Supercharged and 4-matic V8 vehicles kept the 722.6 at least through MY '06. By MY '07, almost, if not everything except the V12s got the 722.9.
    Slight exceptions to the above are the 164 (ML and GL) and 251 (R-Class), ALL versions of which used the 722.9 regardless if 2WD or 4-Matic.

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Quote Originally Posted by 600Eric View Post
    Nope, my '04 E500 absolutely / 100% had a .9 tranny. MB might have still used the .6 in the models with the 4Matic transfer case but the "regular" models got the 7 speed and it was terrible.
    Oh yes, the first couple of years of the 722.9 shifted badly. Modified valve bodies (a few revisions) fixed almost all of that. We replaced them by the boatload. Often our best customers (new car all the time) got the worst of it. They would trade the '01 S500 on the '04 car and say WTF? It was a little ugly for a little while...
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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Wealth of great information from you guys, much appreciated! And kinda glad that 722.6 what's in this W211, at least I'm familiar with it to a degree (based on servicing my W202)

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Duh_Vinci View Post
    Well, we shook on it.

    Originally listed for $6K, but, needs few little things: Headlight lenses (yellowing), passenger side sunvisor mirror, interior door handle has small crack in it. $5k is a fair deal for both of us, we shook on it, picking it up tomorrow after work.

    Very nice couple, ready to retire just thinning out the garage. Indeed they had the car from new. The husband is not a "car guy" from what I can gather, bought it for his wife in 2004, and took it for service religiously, anything was needed or recommended - was done. "A" service just completed, no warning and no advisories. Brand new Continental tires, brand new inspection.

    We will meet with him at the dealership and get a print out of all the service records (feel good about it).

    The car. It is 14 years old, but other than the headlight lenses, presents very well, good paint, very good luster! Interior is great (needs cleaning to my standards), but very very well preserved (the owner's wife is a petite lady).

    The drive: No, not the same as M119, but well mannered, predictable. Very very tight car this example is. No squeaks, no rattles, no noises, just feels like a well sorted car!

    She used to drive it in winter mode all the time for "smoothness" she preferred... I switched to S, and I got her "scared a little" with this driving mode, poor thing, I told her I need to wake it up, she was OK with me giving it a full go though...

    Is it safe to assume that the standard transmission ECU reset that works on early 722.6 would also work on this one:

    1. Turn ignition to ON (do not start)
    2. Press gas pedal all the way down and hold for 5 seconds
    3. Turn ignition to OFF but do not take out key
    4. Release gas pedal
    5. Wait 2 minutes and start car

    So overall, I'm happy with the purchase, its a lot of car for very little money, and I needed awd for occasional bad weather. Now to to organize the garage... My brother is happy that to buy my SL320, so that frees up a space in the next few weeks.

    Regards,
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    Yes, Yes and Yes. I hold the pedal for 15 seconds just to be sure. Turn it to Off, remove the key then let off the pedal last. Leave it overnight and wake up to a new car. I may have remembered this wrongly, but the sequence you've researched on the internet is the one you want.

    Most dealers will give you the VMI and redact the personally identifiable information for you, especially if you know the service advisor. In any event, they'll certainly give it to you after you own the car. That's how I found out my E46M was still under the extended warranty, which the selling dealer didn't know. Apparently he slipped up and never checked, otherwise our negotiations would have been different.

    One thing I haven't read here which you should know... if this car has the tiptronic (which I think it does), it completely changes things. I saw GSXR call [the M113] boring compared to the M119. If it has a tiptronic, I beg to differ. Holding the thing in gear changes everything. Everything.

    In any event, you seem to have this handled. I've been looking at the same car as a possible Allroad replacement. But alas, 'taint that.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Cheers Maw!

    I remember after purchasing the W202 forever ago, it was the same case, just an older lady driver, reset worked like a charm, it was like driving a totally different car! So the reset is the first thing I'd do.

    "Tiptronic" or whatever MB calls it (dunno for sure), but the car definitely has it. I may be wrong, but I think 2000 or 2001 and up, most MB got those tiptronic updates. So yes, this one has it indeed, which certainly adds a little more fun when its needed!

    Allroad, huh? Audi fan Sir? I enjoyed many of them, anything from Coupe GT's back in the days (including the "special build") to one of the last 1991 Coupe Quattro of the US market (14 in all), last one was my 1998 TQM with K04, Giac, Labree SS cat and Borla SS downpipe-back. Miss that car the most!

    As to this W211, should have it home tomorrow eve, the dealer gave me some info (I went there first), without revealing any customer's info, but I still would like to have all the records on hand, just to have. Appears to be a very solid car with everything up to date. Headlights, that's the priority on thing to do - replace lenses...

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    Alas, Audi yes. I like best in breed. For sporty convertibles as a total package, BMW Motorsport all day long. Continent crushing sedans, MB AMG all day long. But for luxury winter rally wagons, can’t beat Audi IMO. The interior fit and finish on this car continues to impress even my picky arse, years in. Mine is an ‘04 with the chain driven 5v 4.2L V8 lump, APR tuned to 350/312, downpipes and larger exhaust with Lambo cats, S6 mirrors and Alcantara headliner. Fun car in the MI snow, daily soccer/golf/grocery beater to keep miles off the S55. People just can’t get their heads around a wagon moving and sounding like it does. It’s the most abused car in the fleet and shows virtually no interior wear, no seat bolsters, no nothing. Heated steering wheel still works. It’s ridiculous.

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    Congrats on the score, D! Just curious, why do you want to reset the trans adaptation? Is it shifting funny? When was the last ATF/filter replacement? Normally you want to do the trans service first, then reset adaptations. The 722.6 can use good ol' 236.10 fluid, including Red Line D4. Yes, MB "recommends" using the newer/thinner 236.14 but you don't have to use it. In any case, if you want to do the full ATF flush it's a peach of a job (link).

    Remember that the adaption process after resetting requires fluid to be over 80C (which takes a LONG time to achieve), then you need to accelerate very gently on a flat road while keeping upshift RPM very low (1800rpm max, IIRC?) See page 2 of this PDF, yes that is an early document before the M113, but AFAIK the principles are the same.

    Make sure to closely inspect the front ball joints, upper & lower. For whatever reason, these simply don't last very long on the W211 (same lowers on W210, btw). If they've never been done at 94k, I wouldn't be surprised if you find at least 1 of the 4 tired... if so, I'd change all four. They're not expensive. Check the other suspension & steering bits closely while you're in there. The W211 is able to hide worn parts pretty well from the driver seat.

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Cheers Dave!

    I really appreciate the feedback and all the pointers, this is definitely kinda new to me, so much much more to learn indeed! I will have some time next week to do the full look over, for the full records list I'm meeting the owner at the dealership on Saturday at 9:30, so I will go through everything with fine tooth comb.

    Transmission, why the re-set, it shifts fine, smooth. When I bought my W202 C280 way back when, it drove different then my first W202. The car was from the same Rosner (prior Noble, now Huber), and I asked one of the MB Techs there why does it feel so "boring" compare to my first W202 (was the same year, same transmission). The response was somewhere along the lines of "The transmission adapted to the prior owner for since new, want it to be yours - lets do the reset" So they did, along with few other things prior to delivery. And next day it was a different car, swift, responsive, I know I'm imagining it, am I?

    So with that in mind, since the prior owner of this W211 drove it very very mild, I want the car to learn how I want it to drive... Dealer did say that ALL the maintenance were up to date with no warnings or recommendation, did stop by prior to test driving this car. But to the actual dates and specific things that were changed/repaired/replaced, I would only know on Sat.

    I'll be happy to change all the fluids as needed most definitely! I would indeed look at all the suspension components too. Must make room in the garage first!!! Thanks for PDF and links, appreciate it!

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    BTW, the car is home, dark already, so no pics of mine, just local ad snap from PO...

    Drives very smooth, interesting this Airmatic thing setup. One can make it feel as floaty as my fathers Deville! Or the opposite Everything seem to work as it should, not bulbs out, comfy seats, very comfy for me. Needs some serious cleaning now that I had time look everything over in detail, but really like this dark charcoal interior color. No squeaks!!!

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    P.S. Desperately needs new headlight lenses, need to remove the bumper to do that, whaaaaaat??? Oh well... It needs it!!!
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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Those headlights may clean up very well with a restoration treatment. Ask your local body shop. I’ve seen headlights I thought were beyond gone brought back to life. Congrats on the new ride.

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Duh_Vinci View Post
    P.S. Desperately needs new headlight lenses, need to remove the bumper to do that, whaaaaaat??? Oh well... It needs it!!!
    MB doesn't appear to offer the headlight lenses separately, or at least I cannot find them in the EPC for *any* 211 chassis. Complete new headlamps are $500 list, or $300 discount each, from Husker or MB Portland. I don't know if the lenses are available via aftermarket channels, or if they can even be removed separately.

    That said, maw is correct, the headlight restoration will usually make them look 90% of new. It's DIY-able with a ~$20 3M kit from Amazon and a power drill, if you have a few hours to kill. Eventually they will fade again, so eventually you might need to spring for new ones.


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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    I recently had mine done on the Allroad (at age 15 they were fading fast, due to the car being stored outside the last few years), and am going to put Laminix on top. They look new now, but will Laminix stop them from fading again? Those headlights are about a grand each.

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Quote Originally Posted by maw1124 View Post
    I recently had mine done on the Allroad (at age 15 they were fading fast, due to the car being stored outside the last few years), and am going to put Laminix on top. They look new now, but will Laminix stop them from fading again? Those headlights are about a grand each.
    Good question. I think it depends what exactly is causing the deterioration of the plastic. If it's UV rays, Lamin-X may not prevent it from happening again. I couldn't find anything on their website about UV protection. You could apply 303 Protectant periodically to help.


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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    MB doesn't appear to offer the headlight lenses separately, or at least I cannot find them in the EPC for *any* 211 chassis. Complete new headlamps are $500 list, or $300 discount each, from Husker or MB Portland. I don't know if the lenses are available via aftermarket channels, or if they can even be removed separately.

    That said, maw is correct, the headlight restoration will usually make them look 90% of new. It's DIY-able with a ~$20 3M kit from Amazon and a power drill, if you have a few hours to kill. Eventually they will fade again, so eventually you might need to spring for new ones.

    Dave,

    This W211 is a whole new thing to me, indeed appreciate the feedback! When I saw the pictures of the car, I've noticed yellow dull headlights, so I did a google search, came across this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc_YU6QlXNs Since there is no part numbers in EPC, one can assume it was not meant to be done, but the full assembly must be purchased, and the lenses he mentions in the video are aftermarket https://www.amazon.com/s?k=w211+head...b_sb_ss_i_3_10

    Quote Originally Posted by maw1124 View Post
    I recently had mine done on the Allroad (at age 15 they were fading fast, due to the car being stored outside the last few years), and am going to put Laminix on top. They look new now, but will Laminix stop them from fading again? Those headlights are about a grand each.

    maw
    Maw, I definitely would try to buff these out first, done it on few cars before, still have most the kit in the garage, all the pads and paste. Certainly worth trying!
    I stopped by the dealership with title and the letter authorizing them to release the service records to the new owner (me )...

    WOW, I'm speechless! Never ever have I personally seen the extend of such... There is over $15,000 in receipts over the last few years on anything imaginable and all the A + B cervices... Even Continental tires were purchased at the dealer. Anything was recommended - it was done. He did take car of his wife's car exceptionally well, really amazing!

    Gerry's famous phrase "Differed Maintenance" does not apply to this car! pages, pages and pages... Oh, and more pages of maintenance!!!! I'm quite happy over this obsession from PO!!!

    Now, I need to figure out how to do best with Bluetooth integration while keeping this stock headunit... I like the way it looks and really don't want to re-do entire system in this car, but I need music!!! I doubt that it is capable of MP3 files (or is it? I own no CDs), need to figure out if there is an AUX input somewhere (I hope there is one), if not, I need to research how to integrate one...

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    ...You will absolutely need a Star Compact SDS C3 or C4 for diagnostics; preferably with the Developer license keygen for DAS, so you can tweak things to your preference. ...
    Dave, this Star Compact SDS C3 or C4 - what the heck is this!!!??? This computer diagnostic is soooo out of my comfort zone, but willing to learn as always!!!

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    You may be able to burn mp3 files onto a blank DVD that plays in the dash. That's been an easy solution for me. For Bluetooth, check out Dension. That plus an Audison should get you there. I haven't done it yet, but that's what I've come up with so far.

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    I like it, that Dension may actually be the perfect solution for BT connectivity, downloaded the manual, going to read it through, thanks for heads up this one!

    I actually just got back from Walmart, what else would be open at 10pm! Was looking through the glove compartment, didn't see any Aux plugs, nothing... disappointed a bit. Googled, some references that it SHOULD be there. Fine, dark, flash light, on my knees - YESSSSS!!! Aux plug is there, at the "roof" of the clove box! Of to Walmart... Got the slimmest plug, ran it nicely under the dash and under the side of the center console on the passenger side.

    I have a large capacity micro sd in the phone, moved some music over - works really well through the phone and Aux, couldn't be happier for now! Otherwise would definitely try the DVD! So music - scratched off the list to do!

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Duh_Vinci View Post
    Dave, this Star Compact SDS C3 or C4 - what the heck is this!!!??? This computer diagnostic is soooo out of my comfort zone, but willing to learn as always!!!
    It is the factory diagnostic computer, or rather a Chinese clone. C3 = wired, older gen, doesn't work on W212 or newer. C4 = wireless, newer, works on W212+. Make sure you get something that s upports "HHTWin" so it will work on 1990's vintage cars (W124 and R129).

    More info here:
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    Also, start reading from post #15 here:
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    It is the factory diagnostic computer, or rather a Chinese clone. C3 = wired, older gen, doesn't work on W212 or newer. C4 = wireless, newer, works on W212+. Make sure you get something that s upports "HHTWin" so it will work on 1990's vintage cars (W124 and R129)...
    Thank you!!! Having these tools would certainly be a big plus in family with 4 MB cars for certain!

    Today, boy, what a fun... DMV... Went early, short wait, got my title, joke a little, nice friendly lady, got my tags, stickers. I get home, getting ready to file the papers and mount the tags to the car. Title in hand:



    Whaaaaaat??? Mercury? Boy did I over paid for this car!!! I can only imagine, drive along, get pulled over, registration for Mercury, and somehow Mercedes is what's driven?

    Back to DMV I go, good thing I like what I drive and purposely went to the rural area DMV for the enjoyable twisty country roads! Arrived with just minutes to spare!!! Lady was very very very apologetic, all fixed all good!!! Mercury... Wonder which one?

    Back home, it is the first time I actually see the car in the daylight at home since I bought it. Popped the hood, checking the fluids. Power steering fluid just a bit low. I try to read online, which fluid. Finding conflicting info in various places. Q 1 32 0001 vs Q 1 46 0001 (latter I have, the Pentosin I do not). So to be sure, and going to stop by to purchase if needed. I call the dealer, have my VIN ready.

    "What year and model is your car?"

    "2004 E500 4matic"

    "Pentosin, full synthetic, have it here in stock"

    "So it is definitely NOT the basic 1 46 0001 that comes in the grey bottle, I can read you my VIN"

    "No no, Pentosin"

    "Ok, just so you know, my car does not have Active Body Control, just the Airmatic"

    "Ohhhhh, then, if you don't have that, it the regular, grey bottle 1 46 0001"

    "Thanks for your time, have a good weekend..."

    Back to the car, inserted the cotton swap into reservoir, just to be sure, yellow, definitely not green. Out of all places, shouldn't the dealership folks care enough to offer correct info or am I expecting too much and my standards our out of realm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maw1124 View Post
    Those headlights may clean up very well with a restoration treatment. ...
    Maw, honestly, I thought mine were too far gone, but "magically" with some elbow grease turned out looking like a 2 year old headlights again!!!

    From this

    20190216_125926 by Duh_Vinci, on Flickr

    to this

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    Now, they were rough!

    20190216_125916 by Duh_Vinci, on Flickr

    Half way

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    One side done

    20190216_142721 by Duh_Vinci, on Flickr

    And the other side, half way

    20190216_144133 by Duh_Vinci, on Flickr

    And done!

    20190216_163401 by Duh_Vinci, on Flickr

    The stuff:

    20190216_171719 by Duh_Vinci, on Flickr

    Since these were really rough, used 600>1000>3200, Menzerna 3-in-1 and Sonax finishing. My brother came over, he does detailing as a side business (makes him happy), so he also applied a coat of Sonax ceramic so these should last a little while.

    Really happy with results, and no bumper removal needed!!! What a difference dull yellow headlights can make in appearance!!! The car now looks younger!!!

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

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    ... The 722.6 can use good ol' 236.10 fluid, including Red Line D4. Yes, MB "recommends" using the newer/thinner 236.14...
    Dave,

    Just to satisfy my curiosity, that newer/thinner fluid is it the one labeled ATF 134 in the standard grey bottles?

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    Dave, Just to satisfy my curiosity, that newer/thinner fluid is it the one labeled ATF 134 in the standard grey bottles?
    236.10 = 3403, thicker fluid (originally used in the first 722.6 boxes, back in 1996)
    236.12 = 3353, thinner fluid
    236.14 = 4134, thinner fluid <-- I think this is what you are seeing as labeled "134".

    Now, a good question would be... what was factory fill in 2004? It may have been the 236.14 by that time, I'm not sure exactly. The owner's manual packet MIGHT shed some light on this, in the "'recommended fluids" insert, if it has one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duh_Vinci View Post

    Back home, it is the first time I actually see the car in the daylight at home since I bought it. Popped the hood, checking the fluids. Power steering fluid just a bit low. I try to read online, which fluid. Finding conflicting info in various places. Q 1 32 0001 vs Q 1 46 0001 (latter I have, the Pentosin I do not). So to be sure, and going to stop by to purchase if needed. I call the dealer, have my VIN ready.

    Back to the car, inserted the cotton swap into reservoir, just to be sure, yellow, definitely not green. Out of all places, shouldn't the dealership folks care enough to offer correct info or am I expecting too much and my standards our out of realm?

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    You were probably talking to someone in parts. They AREN'T going to know that, they WILL guess, they will NOT tell you that they are guessing, AND they have a one-hundred percent chance of guessing incorrectly.

    Here's the easy way to remember which PS fluid: In the USA, EVERY non-USA built vehicle uses Pentosin CHF 11S (Q1 32) starting with the 220 chassis, and each successive chassis since. The only exceptions are 210 wagons and 203 wagons WITH rear SLS, each of which use 001 989 20 03 12. Your car should have the green stuff. What's in there now is going to be a mix of ATFs, conventional MB brown, and the Pentosin CHF 11s. For what it's worth, I've never seen the cars give 2 sh$t$ what was in there.

    Forgive the crappy photos of a computer screen. It's all I've got this minute. These are of a bulletin from Jan. 2010 indexed as S-B-46.25/70a
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    236.10 = 3403, thicker fluid (originally used in the first 722.6 boxes, back in 1996)
    236.12 = 3353, thinner fluid
    236.14 = 4134, thinner fluid <-- I think this is what you are seeing as labeled "134".

    Now, a good question would be... what was factory fill in 2004? It may have been the 236.14 by that time, I'm not sure exactly. The owner's manual packet MIGHT shed some light on this, in the "'recommended fluids" insert, if it has one.

    Thanks!

    The reason for asking, I still have 5 or 6 quarts of 134, thinner stuff left from1.5-2 years back when I changed the fluid in my C280, bought 10 quarts I believe, but then, I was strongly advised not to drain the torque converter on 722.6, so had fluid left over. Going to use it on W211 now...
    Quote Originally Posted by Klink View Post
    You were probably talking to someone in parts. They AREN'T going to know that, they WILL guess, they will NOT tell you that they are guessing, AND they have a one-hundred percent chance of guessing incorrectly.

    Here's the easy way to remember which PS fluid: In the USA, EVERY non-USA built vehicle uses Pentosin CHF 11S (Q1 32) starting with the 220 chassis, and each successive chassis since. The only exceptions are 210 wagons and 203 wagons WITH rear SLS, each of which use 001 989 20 03 12. Your car should have the green stuff. What's in there now is going to be a mix of ATFs, conventional MB brown, and the Pentosin CHF 11s. For what it's worth, I've never seen the cars give 2 sh$t$ what was in there.

    Forgive the crappy photos of a computer screen. It's all I've got this minute. These are of a bulletin from Jan. 2010 indexed as S-B-46.25/70a
    Thanks for the info very much! I did search the net, and info was contradicting and allover the place, so thank you for clearing it up!

    Now, I think I would like to put the proper fluid back in this Power Steering system, even if it may not make any difference... What is the best method to do this at home? Is this sufficient https://www.benzworld.org/forums/att...luid-flush.pdf ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duh_Vinci View Post
    ...1.5-2 years back when I changed the fluid in my C280, bought 10 quarts I believe, but then, I was strongly advised not to drain the torque converter on 722.6, so had fluid left over.
    Huh? Why on earth would anyone advise to NOT drain the torque converter?

    Now, the converter drain was eliminated somewhere in 1998 so I would understand recommending not to pull the transmission just to empty the converter by removing it and dumping out the contents.

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    Dave,

    this was couple of years ago, and I assure you, my knowledge of anything transmission related at that time was "I know nothin bout it" and generally, anything automatic gearbox related, was a Pandora's box in my mind!!! (other than I know how to change fluid and filter...)

    This did come from MB tech and it was along the lines of once these drained with converter, something about the "near dry start" puts almost immediate wear on some kind of part internally. So here is what my limited understanding brain absorbed: "blablablahlah...no idea what that part is he talking about and my C280 722.6 change fluid only, do not drain converter..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duh_Vinci View Post
    This did come from MB tech and it was along the lines of once these drained with converter, something about the "near dry start" puts almost immediate wear on some kind of part internally. So here is what my limited understanding brain absorbed: "blablablahlah...no idea what that part is he talking about and my C280 722.6 change fluid only, do not drain converter..."
    Wow. I've never heard that. For the record, it's total BS. I'm more than a little surprised it came from an MB tech. Perhaps it was a lazy tech looking for excuses to reduce his flat-rate time.


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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    ...Now, a good question would be... what was factory fill in 2004? It may have been the 236.14 by that time, I'm not sure exactly. The owner's manual packet MIGHT shed some light on this, in the "'recommended fluids" insert, if it has one.

    Dave,

    If I recall correctly when the .6 hit the market, Mercedes initially claimed the transmission fluid never needed to be replaced (i.e. it was good for the life of the tranny).

    A few years later they of course changed their tune and reccomend it be changed every 30K miles. So it would be interesting to see what a owner's manuals in a '96 shows with regards to tranny fluid or any info about transmission maintenance.





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    Yep, it was originally claimed "lifetime fill", I believe in North America only? It was one of MB's stupider ideas. Later they recanted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Yep, it was originally claimed "lifetime fill", I believe in North America only?

    Not at all. It was a worldwide thing, and as is frequently the case, it was really EU oil and waste disposal priorities driving it, along with the extra-long engine oil change intervals. As always, we yanks get blamed for it, but it wasn't "USA only" or even USA market driven.
    It's just like how the WOT enrichment deletion is always stated to be about USA emissions, when it had NOTHING to with emissions anywhere, much less the USA. It was 100% due to ECE/DIN fuel consumption numbers. It had nothing to do with USA emissions or CAFE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duh_Vinci View Post
    Dave,

    this was couple of years ago, and I assure you, my knowledge of anything transmission related at that time was "I know nothin bout it" and generally, anything automatic gearbox related, was a Pandora's box in my mind!!! (other than I know how to change fluid and filter...)

    This did come from MB tech and it was along the lines of once these drained with converter, something about the "near dry start" puts almost immediate wear on some kind of part internally. So here is what my limited understanding brain absorbed: "blablablahlah...no idea what that part is he talking about and my C280 722.6 change fluid only, do not drain converter..."

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    Wow. I've never heard that. For the record, it's total BS. I'm more than a little surprised it came from an MB tech. Perhaps it was a lazy tech looking for excuses to reduce his flat-rate time.

    Remind me to rant on this later. This stuff isn't as simple as it seems...
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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Der Klink has Spoken (rant to follow) I love this stuff!
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    Thanks, Klink! I may be getting the USA-only thing confused with a different scenario (Land Rover had different service intervals for USA vs ROW on the LR4, but that's obviously a different story).

    For reference, D, see attached 722.6 MB fluid specs from 1996 and 2008, respectively. I believe there was a TSB which rescinded the "Lifetime Fill" stupidity and replaced it with a new service interval, but I can't seem to locate that at the moment. If I find it, I'll add it to my website in the 722.6 directory.

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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Duh_Vinci View Post
    Is it safe to assume that the standard transmission ECU reset that works on early 722.6 would also work on this one:

    1. Turn ignition to ON (do not start)
    2. Press gas pedal all the way down and hold for 5 seconds
    3. Turn ignition to OFF but do not take out key
    4. Release gas pedal
    5. Wait 2 minutes and start car
    Does this work for 722.4 transmissions too?


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    Re: Considering W211 2004 E500 4matic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ntrepid View Post
    Does this work for 722.4 transmissions too?
    722.4 are fully mechanical and have no electronic controls or computer. The 722.4 is a smaller, weaker version of the 722.3 we have in the .034/.036 chassis. It was used behind low-torque engines like the M102 and non-turbo diesels.

    722.5 (early 5-speed) did have some electronic controls but I don't believe they had any type of adaptation which could be reset; as it was still a mechanical valve body.

    722.9 (seven-speed)... dunno if there's a non-SDS method to reset adaptation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Klink View Post
    Not at all. It was a worldwide thing, and as is frequently the case, it was really EU oil and waste disposal priorities driving it, along with the extra-long engine oil change intervals....
    Amen Klink. The 10,000 mile oil change interval is near the top of my favorite rant topics. Both just pitched as "lower cost of ownership" and "environmentally friendly" nonsense. True you could probably run Bertolli Olive Oil in your engine and squeak by the end of your warranty period but good luck with any long term reliability.


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