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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

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    Are these the brackets you said were missing from the radiator you purchased? If so, it looks like mine might be ready to install without modifications.
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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Never mind the last post, thinking of another model.

    No, 12mm for sure, just double checked the EPC/

    And I have a couple trans cooler bolts, they do measure 14mm
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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    Gerry
    Are these the brackets you said were missing from the radiator you purchased? If so, it looks like mine might be ready to install without modifications.
    Hi Gary, yes those are the brackets. Is your radiator a Behr or a Nissens? Mine was a Nissens and was specifically for the E500E, as indicated by the part number. Interesting. Well, you get to save a bit of labor.

    Good on ya.

    Good luck with the install and let us know how it all goes.

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    It's a Behr.

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Quote Originally Posted by M104-AMG View Post
    Pissed that new Hengst fuel-filter didn't have the plastic insulator. Thank goodness I keep them.
    Yeah, that is quite odd. The Bosch ones definitely have them. I've only used Mann and Bosch fuel filters and always had them. Oh well, generally they are re-usable as long as they are not ripped or in otherwise horrid condition. Good to know, thanks.


    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    It's a Behr.
    Also good to know. I wonder if anyone else who has a Nissens had to drill out the rivets that held the angle brackets on their radiator and bolt the brackets onto the new Nissens. At least the Behr has them.

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Quote Originally Posted by M104-AMG View Post
    Weird, because I purchased a bunch of 12mm copper crush washers and when I went to use them, they didn't fit the '93 036 fuel pumps. I took the fuel-pump "bolt" and it measured M14. They were the same size the fuel-filter crush-washers, M14.

    Attached is a pic of the fuel-filter and tandem fuel-pumps. All use M14 copper crush-washers for the banjo fittings. Note the new rubber boots that cover the fuel-pump power leads and new flex disc.



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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    OK, my last example, Mann catalog, looked up 93 500E

    "F" the banjo bolt end is 12mm

    "G" the threaded end you don't remove is 14mm



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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    I think the fuel filter may be 14mm... fuel pumps are definitely 12mm.


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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    I think the fuel filter may be 14mm... fuel pumps are definitely 12mm.

    The fuel filter from Mann says 12mm on the banjo bolt side.

    All the seal rings on EPC are 12mm by part number

    Under 93 500E, Autohaus AZ only shows 12mm for the fuel filter.

    I can't find one source that shows a 14mm seal ring anywhere in the fuel pump area except the threded fitting you don't remove

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Guys, all I know when I was doing my own radiator last June, was that when I realized I didn't have the copper washers, I matched up the old ones that came off of the transmission oil cooler/radiator with some from my assortment of fuel filter and fuel pump copper washers. I found two brand new coppers in my fuel washer drawer that were an exact match, thickness and diameter wise, and so that is what I used. And that's why I made the statement that I did above ... because that's where they came from (fuel filter and fuel pump kits .. I've changed pumps on both the E320 and 560SEC in recent years, and filters on several cars). So I just assumed since they seemed same size/diameter that they were shared with fuel-related applications.

    I think one side of the fuel filter may be slightly larger diameter than the other?!?

    That is all.

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    That's what I said, and you can see on the Mann filter above.

    The end of the filter with the male fitting is 14mm, but it come with a new filter, so you wouldn't replace that seal ring

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    I just double checked the batch of washers on a different bolt/thread measuring tool. 12mm ID, 14mm OD. I like using the wider crush washers for more surface area sealing. Man I'm getting old!

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Aren't we all, lol

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Here's the check valve I was refering to

    Sure looks like 14mm X 12mm, but nothing you would deal with for a filter change.

    Only when replacing the check valve.




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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    "Factury" --?

    More info on the fuel pump with information in "Engrish"
    https://www.500eboard.com/forums/show...-reduced-price

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Hey, not my ad, some E-Bay seller. That is funny though

    It's like Buick Century, just sound it out.

    Or, you're too phast for me.

    Anyway, fixed it just for you Gerry

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Sorry to get everyone away from Washerpalooza.....

    Got my radiator installed this morning with no problem. Thanks again to Gerry for the helpful write up. Even though my Behr unit came with the bottom brackets, I still had to do the install a bit differently. The old radiator had female threaded brackets, and the new unit had male threads on the "L" brackets. The old unit was filthy. I spent about 15 minutes brushing out the AC condenser while the radiator was out. It was extremely dirty as well. Twenty two years of funk.

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    Sorry to get everyone away from Washerpalooza.....

    Got my radiator installed this morning with no problem. Thanks again to Gerry for the helpful write up. Even though my Behr unit came with the bottom brackets, I still had to do the install a bit differently. The old radiator had female threaded brackets, and the new unit had male threads on the "L" brackets. The old unit was filthy. I spent about 15 minutes brushing out the AC condenser while the radiator was out. It was extremely dirty as well. Twenty two years of funk.
    Glad you got it done Gary. Not a horrible job and good you took the time to clean things up at the condenser. This can be a really good thing for your AC.

    Let us know if your temps at the needle are any lower. I didn't notice any difference after doing my radiator.


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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Will do. It's kind of hard today since the temps are in the 50's.

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Has anyone investigated if we can have a custom all aluminum rad built, with an additional row? Previously when I restored a Cuda a local Rad shop was easily able to replace the factory two core with a three core... course that was all metal... Made a huge difference!!
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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Quote Originally Posted by tomer View Post
    Has anyone investigated if we can have a custom all aluminum rad built, with an additional row? Previously when I restored a Cuda a local Rad shop was easily able to replace the factory two core with a three core... course that was all metal... Made a huge difference!!
    Yes, it can be done, and RENNtech offered one back in the day. However, the question is, does it make any substantial difference in cooling? That is unknown. The issue isn't number of rows, but rather the total thickness. The stock radiator is stupid close to the fan clutch so it can't be any thicker towards the engine, and I don't believe there's much room to add thickness on the front/condenser side. And, there's no room to make it (significantly) taller or wider. You'd upgrade from plastic tanks to all-aluminum, but otherwise, I'm not sure what the ROI would be.

    Anyone BT / DT? Jono? Klink?

    EDIT: Rhe RENNtech W124 custom radiator is ~1/4" thicker (closer to the fan) compared to stock. This makes it completely impossible to remove the OE Sachs fan clutch with the radiator in place, and very very difficult to remove the radiator at all (with the fan clutch in place).


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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Yes, it can be done, and RENNtech offered one back in the day. However, the question is, does it make any substantial difference in cooling? That is unknown. The issue isn't number of rows, but rather the total thickness. The stock radiator is stupid close to the fan clutch so it can't be any thicker towards the engine, and I don't believe there's much room to add thickness on the front/condenser side. And, there's no room to make it taller or wider. You'd upgrade from plastic tanks to all-aluminum, but otherwise, I'm not sure what the ROI would be.

    Anyone BT / DT? Jono? Klink?
    Haven't had any reason. With an operational fan clutch and auxillary fans they cool fine for street use. I have done that mod with some older (50's through early 70's) MBs to great effect. Most radiator shops could easily add a denser core to a given unit which made them exceptionally happy in centeral Florida summers...
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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Had a friend here in Houston, SLOW&RUSTY is his name and he has several MB. He is a member here and might even have posted his custom made Radiator and fans, delete of his aux fan, the viscous fan clutch and the fan itself. The fans always run unless he toggles them off for cold driving, but less amperage draw and result is a cooler beast. I will have a look and post his thread if he posted here, or on Banzworld.

    found it https://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4567

    NOTE: This was on a 560SEC, not a 500E.
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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Hi,

    I know it is an old post.....but today, I notice that one of the bolt on my fan shroud was missing...
    Does anyone know the size of it???
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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Quote Originally Posted by French02chris View Post
    Hi,

    I know it is an old post.....but today, I notice that one of the bolt on my fan shroud was missing...
    Does anyone know the size of it???
    Thanks in advance..
    If i remember correctly..i think its 5mm threads,and 8 or 10mm head.
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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Lowman is correct, I believe 5mm thread (not sure of pitch) and 8mm head. If the bolt won't insert easily with your fingers, chase the threads with a tap first. And use anti-seize on all 3 bolts.

    The correct OE bolt has captive washers, btw. They are not expensive new from the dealer.


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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Thank you.....
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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    I just replaced mine with factory bolts. Dave is right -- as usual -- about the captive washers. It takes an 8mm socket and it is 15mm in length. It says KNIPPING 8.8 on the bolt head. Is that the pitch?
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    8.8 is the bolt ‘strength’ class. I say that in parens, as there is probably a more official term for it. Useful for figuring out appropriate application torque, as long as the material your putting the fastener into is stronger

    https://www.fastenal.com/content/fed...0Fasteners.pdf




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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Welp, my radiator started a slow leak yesterday evening...at first I thought it might be a worn-out overflow elbow fitting as discussed in other posts, but I pulled it out and it's fine, not cracked or brittle or anything. The leak does seem to be coming from that general area, though, so I'm thinking that I might have a small stress crack somewhere on the under side of the upper radiator hose connection point. My car's a '94 that just turned 170K miles, and as far as I can tell looking back through all the records I have for it this is the original factory radiator so I figure I've gotten my money's worth out of it!

    Anyway, I'm gathering the parts now for this little project and was wondering if it's generally advisable to replace any of the associated hoses while doing this repair. The upper radiator hose seems ok to me, still nice and pliant with no signs of brittling or cracking, but installing a new one might be a bit of cheap insurance anyway, no? And of course I can't really tell what the condition of the lower hose is without getting into the fix itself. Could anyone point me to the part numbers for the radiator hoses, clamps, etc.?

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    HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Your lower radiator hose for the E500E is: 124 501 61 82. It's a funky looking devil. List is about $124 -- buy from the usual discounting suspects that many of us buy from.

    Upper radiator hose is: 124 501 92 82. List is about $39.

    Good idea to replace both of them, yes. DO NOT use aftermarket -- only MB hoses.

    You'll also need two each of the following clamps -- one each for the upper hose, and one each for the lower hose:

    006 997 43 90 (order two)
    006 997 05 90 (order two)

    Order an extra elbow (000 500 08 94) just to have a spare in case yours ever blows. A new radiator will come with one installed.

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    Your lower radiator hose for the E500E is: 124 501 61 82. It's a funky looking devil. List is about $124 -- buy from the usual discounting suspects that many of us buy from.

    Upper radiator hose is: 124 501 92 82. List is about $39.

    Good idea to replace both of them, yes. DO NOT use aftermarket -- only MB hoses.

    You'll also need two each of the following clamps -- one each for the upper hose, and one each for the lower hose:

    006 997 43 90 (order two)
    006 997 05 90 (order two)

    Order an extra elbow (000 500 08 94) just to have a spare in case yours ever blows. A new radiator will come with one installed.

    Cheers,
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    Thanks, Gerry, I appreciate the response and advice (which I'll certainly follow). What's your current favorite parts purveyor these days?
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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    www.mboemparts.com is the best cost with no sales tax, and free shipping if you use the code at checking 500EPROMO

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    You can get Behr and Nissens radiators aftermarket for the E500E. I'd check www.autohausaz.com for best prices, though there are other vendors such as FCP Euro, Importec, PelicanParts, and others that carry these parts.

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Thanks again. As I was poking around the general radiator area looking for other things that might need addressing as part of this project, I noticed that both the upper and lower radiator shrouds had lost a louver flap...and another one on the upper shroud fell off in my hand as soon as I touched it. Another good example of rubber parts perishing with time and engine heat. They're not cheap, but in for a penny in for a pound with this car!

    I've also decided to go ahead and replace the t-stat (last done over 10 years ago) and the related little 90-deg hose.
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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Interesting...I got an email from mboemparts.com yesterday stating "after much research we found part# 124 500 13 55 is no longer available, we have removed this part from the order to complete". This part is the lower fan shroud. Does anyone know if it's actually NLA? I'll see if I can get it from another supplier. AutohausAZ does not seem to have it.
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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Quote Originally Posted by IBNR View Post
    Interesting...I got an email from mboemparts.com yesterday stating "after much research we found part# 124 500 13 55 is no longer available, we have removed this part from the order to complete". This part is the lower fan shroud. Does anyone know if it's actually NLA? I'll see if I can get it from another supplier. AutohausAZ does not seem to have it.


    Yes, it is NLA and has been for a little bit.

    Full/recent thread on it here: https://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12688

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    Re: HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Well that sucks. Frankly, it's getting harder and harder for me to justify keeping this car....
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    HOW-TO: Replacing 500E/E500 Radiator

    Quote Originally Posted by IBNR View Post
    Well that sucks. Frankly, it's getting harder and harder for me to justify keeping this car....
    It’s a seller’s market for these cars right now — I’m sure you’d find a buyer quite readily !

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