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    Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    100% working.



    365Euro

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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamylek View Post
    100% working.

    365 Euro

    That's a tough price, given the more functional and equal/better quality mirrors that 2Phast is selling.....

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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    But it is not original.

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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    2phast's comes with homelink as well.

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    I finish off topic if anyone is interested please message pm.

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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamylek View Post
    But it is not original.
    I did not know this was a factory option for the W124 ?

    If so a few might be interested in this as it has to be rare.
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by KarlC View Post
    I did not know this was a factory option for the W124 ?

    If so a few might be interested in this as it has to be rare.
    So it was a factory option for w124.
    My mirror is original

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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Factory option in Europe, yes. This was not offered in USA.


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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamylek View Post
    So it was a factory option for w124.
    My mirror is original
    Yes, MB offered these mirrors on the late W124s (1994, 1995, etc.) in non-US countries.

    Sort of like the remote infrared locking, or the extra trunk security lock.

    But the 2Phast mirror is made by the same vendor (Gentex) as the original MB version of it, and with included Homelink (and compass if desired). For less than one half of the price, shipped.



    I guess if someone was a stickler for ONLY original MB parts on their car then this is an excellent deal for an original MB part and I welcome and admonish someone to buy it. Perhaps one of our US East Coast "high rollers" to whom this is the same as about 30 seconds of their annual salary at their equities trading, money manager or venture capitalist job. This would be a nice piece of equipment for a $50,000 or $60,000 US 500E!!



    Would be an excellent item for driving the 500E up the Long Island Expressway on a late Friday afternoon on the way up to the third home in the Hamptons.

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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    When I was getting a new OE non dimming mirror, I got a quote from a dealer in SoCal for an original w124 automatic dimming mirror at $350...so the asking price of $500 above is way too f'ing high, considering the buyer might also pay for shipping. Given that this might be a 036 specific mirror, $500 for one is, how can I say it - waste of $.

    Rick's mirrors are the next best option for dimming mirrors and if I had to have one, I would buy it from Rick first and foremost.
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by szvook View Post
    Ricky's
    LOL !

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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    LOL !
    Doh, fixing now...

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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    Yes, MB offered these mirrors on the late W124s (1994, 1995, etc.) in non-US countries.

    Sort of like the remote infrared locking, or the extra trunk security lock.

    But the 2Phast mirror is made by the same vendor (Gentex) as the original MB version of it, and with included Homelink (and compass if desired). For less than one half of the price, shipped.



    I guess if someone was a stickler for ONLY original MB parts on their car then this is an excellent deal for an original MB part and I welcome and admonish someone to buy it. Perhaps one of our US East Coast "high rollers" to whom this is the same as about 30 seconds of their annual salary at their equities trading, money manager or venture capitalist job. This would be a nice piece of equipment for a $50,000 or $60,000 US 500E!!



    Would be an excellent item for driving the 500E up the Long Island Expressway on a late Friday afternoon on the way up to the third home in the Hamptons.

    Or used car saleman from Copley Motor Cars.....
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by mistermiata View Post
    Or used car saleman from Copley Motor Cars.....
    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    Would be an excellent item for driving the 500E up the nyc123 Long Island Expressway on a late Friday afternoon on the way up to the third home in the Hamptons.
    Hey, I wasn't naming ANY names here....

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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    I m sorry but why would I buy used one instead of getting a brand new without any hassle for less $$ ?

    By the I saw the dimming mirror to fail on one of the Subaru , so with the used 21 years old for $500 that might be risky ....
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    OK, let's not beat up on poor Kamylek too much now. He has a rare, original part and he's confirmed it's working properly.

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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    If the mirror is NLA new from MB, the price might be in line. I don't know if it's still available new though.


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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_500E View Post
    I m sorry but why would I buy used one instead of getting a brand new without any hassle for less $$ ?

    By the I saw the dimming mirror to fail on one of the Subaru , so with the used 21 years old for $500 that might be risky ....
    In our original adjustable mirror on off. They are no longer available from the dealer. You can buy original without this adjustment. But there is one such rarity.
    So if you are not interested.




    Apparently this offer is not directed to you.
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamylek View Post
    In our original adjustable mirror on off. They are no longer available from the dealer. You can buy original without this adjustment. But there is one such rarity.
    So if you are not interested.
    Apparently this offer is not directed to you.
    Yours faithfully,
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    I see, good point .
    The very original mirror is whatever factory installed in my car so it has the highest value for me , probably higher than $500

    Good luck with your sale you really do have a very rare item.
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    Is there a part number on it Kamylek? You firm on that price too? Gosh, that's a big bag of good weed for most folks.

    I am interested .... Rik's site didn't have the mirror I wanted when I was ready to buy one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Gosh, that's a big bag of good weed for most folks.
    Or 1 1/2 bags...

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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    I bought one of those from Kamylek. A little bit expensive? Maybe, but it is rare and original. I'm very pleased with it. By the way, I have a 2phast mirrir for sale now if someone is intersted.
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by 500ESpain View Post
    I bought one of those from Kamylek.
    By the way, I have a 2phast mirrir for sale now if someone is intersted.


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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    For more information about the dimming mirrors., There were two types of control and without.
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by szvook View Post
    Or 1 1/2 bags...
    Ha!! you lucky left coasters ...
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Ha!! you lucky left coasters ...
    , or the fact that you can just go to a store...forget about it.

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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    The mirror shown was never designed for Mercedes, it was a BMW mirror that Gentex retrofitted to a Mercedes bracket (see the last picture for the BMW version). These first generation mirrors didn't have light adjusting sensors, that is, they didn't dim the mirror in proportion to the amount of light coming into the sensor. Hence why they had high/low settings. These mirrors are prone to "yellowing" and fluid leaking and never were reliable. They were also constructed of a hard plastic and were glued together, much like the original non-audo dimming mirror. The glue (depending upon climate) has a tendency to seep and/or just deteriorating to the point that the mirror falls apart. I have repaired my fair share of these and have owned a few as well. The Mercedes bracket used on these mirrors is a shortened version of your existing bracket and is hollow inside for wire routing. The shortened bracket was necessary as the first gen mirrors actually had the mounting socket near the top portion of the mirror. This allowed the mini sunvisor to function properly. Later mirrors that were used are also retrofitted BMW mirrors (Gentex never designed a mirror specifically for the W124) and were better in the fact that they would adjust the amount of dimming based on the amount of light the sensors picked up. These were better than first gen but still prone to yellowing of the glass and fluid leaking. Now at this point these new mirrors have their mounting socket in the middle of the mirror and Gentex never redesigned the bracket, so these mirrors sit higher and don't allow the mini sun visor to pivot over the top of the mirror.

    So, your not going to find any specific part numbers on these to indicate they are OEM Mercedes parts, they carry only Gentex part numbers. To tell if you have an original or not, you need to look at the bracket, which would be shorter than your original mirrors bracket.

    I can build mirrors that look just like the first gen or second gen Mercedes mirrors (and I have) but it isn't worth it. Later model Gentex mirrors offer much more functionality, are more reliable and offer better longevity at a better price point.

    If you want what Mercedes offered then one of these first gen or second gen mirrors are your only option. Be aware though that there are many mirrors like these out there and not all of them were sold by Mercedes. Someone has been feeding the demand by building what appear to be original Mercedes offered mirrors. The dozen or so of these I have built have been flipped on German EBay as originals (one of the reasons I stopped building them).

    I will post some pictures of the original mirrors so you can see some of the various design options that were available through Mercedes. Pay attention to the tab on the back of the bracket, original mirrors will all have this and the wiring is all terminated with a Molex quick-disconnect (although I have seen many cut off)
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by Maui View Post
    2phast's comes with homelink as well.
    I offer auto dimming only, auto dimming w/compass and auto dimming with compass & Homelink. I also offer some mirrors from Donnelly as well (when I can find them) and these are of a newer design with integrated compass sensors that are smart enough to know if your car is RHD or LHD and offer the option of turning the auto dimming on/off as well as turning the compass on/off. These would be my number one seller if they were more readily available and had Homelink.
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by szvook View Post
    When I was getting a new OE non dimming mirror, I got a quote from a dealer in SoCal for an original w124 automatic dimming mirror at $350...so the asking price of $500 above is way too f'ing high, considering the buyer might also pay for shipping. Given that this might be a 036 specific mirror, $500 for one is, how can I say it - waste of $.

    Rick's mirrors are the next best option for dimming mirrors and if I had to have one, I would buy it from Rick first and foremost.
    No such thing as a "036 specific mirror". These auto dimming mirrors were offered and usable in all models/years of the W201 and W124 (except for the W124 cabriolet of course)

    Thank you for the vote of confidence in my product!
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Great info, Rik!

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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_500E View Post
    I m sorry but why would I buy used one instead of getting a brand new without any hassle for less $$ ?

    By the I saw the dimming mirror to fail on one of the Subaru , so with the used 21 years old for $500 that might be risky ....
    Yes, the early generation mirrors were prone to experiencing many problems and are not what I deem to be considered "reliable". But those are mirrors that have been used for 10-20 years, endured high/lo temps etc. A new "old stock" mirror isn't likely to show these types of problems for a long time.

    Not sure who has been saying these are available, I have checked numerous times over the last five years and every check has showed them NLA. So unless some dealer has them sitting in their stock room, I don't think getting one new is an option.
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by 036 View Post


    Quality rules.
    Trust me, first gen/second gen Mercedes Gentex mirrors don't fall into the category of "quality". No auto dimming mirrors from that time frame fall into the category, regardless of what car they were on. You would be better off saying "Originality rules" as that is the only quote you can make about these early mirrors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2phast View Post
    The mirror shown was never designed for Mercedes, it was a BMW mirror that Gentex retrofitted to a Mercedes bracket (see the last picture for the BMW version). These first generation mirrors didn't have light adjusting sensors, that is, they didn't dim the mirror in proportion to the amount of light coming into the sensor. Hence why they had high/low settings. These mirrors are prone to "yellowing" and fluid leaking and never were reliable. They were also constructed of a hard plastic and were glued together, much like the original non-audo dimming mirror. The glue (depending upon climate) has a tendency to seep and/or just deteriorating to the point that the mirror falls apart. I have repaired my fair share of these and have owned a few as well. The Mercedes bracket used on these mirrors is a shortened version of your existing bracket and is hollow inside for wire routing. The shortened bracket was necessary as the first gen mirrors actually had the mounting socket near the top portion of the mirror. This allowed the mini sunvisor to function properly. Later mirrors that were used are also retrofitted BMW mirrors (Gentex never designed a mirror specifically for the W124) and were better in the fact that they would adjust the amount of dimming based on the amount of light the sensors picked up. These were better than first gen but still prone to yellowing of the glass and fluid leaking. Now at this point these new mirrors have their mounting socket in the middle of the mirror and Gentex never redesigned the bracket, so these mirrors sit too low allowing a gap between the mini sun visor and the top of the mirror.
    ...
    ...
    Here is a close comparison showing the difference Rik is describing about the stalk. The long stalk is on a manual mirror, but that stalk length is the same as on the first gen auto dimming mirror. (..if I'm not wrong..)


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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by 500AMM View Post
    Here is a close comparison showing the difference Rik is describing about the stalk. The long stalk is on a manual mirror, but that stalk length is the same as on the first gen auto dimming mirror. (..if I'm not wrong..)


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    Thanks for posting that picture, I will add it to my collection. What you posted is a 2nd gen mirror (well that's what I call it) as the first gen is the one Kamylek is selling.

    With the handful of OEM Mercedes auto dimming mirrors I have had in my possession, all of them had shorter brackets than the OEM non auto dimming mirror. I also installed both a first gen and a 2nd gen in my own car for testing purposes. Your picture sure seems to show a 2nd gen auto dimming mirror with the shorter style bracket.
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    Here is how they sits in the car. (Not clean lenses, sorry..)
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by 500AMM View Post
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    Here is how they sits in the car. (Not clean lenses, sorry..)
    Another nice picture for the collection, thanks for posting it. The OEM auto dimming mirror does sit higher than the non auto dimming mirror. It shouldn't be a deal breaker for anyone wanting to pick one of this up though, just keep in mind your mini sun visor (if you have one) is going to hit the top of the mirror.
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by 2phast View Post

    Not sure who has been saying these are available, I have checked numerous times over the last five years and every check has showed them NLA. So unless some dealer has them sitting in their stock room, I don't think getting one new is an option.
    Vookster named the price so I assumed it is available
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_500E View Post
    Vookster named the price so I assumed it is available
    The test though is to actually have the dealer check availability, both in the US and Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roma_500E View Post
    I m sorry but why would I buy used one instead of getting a brand new without any hassle for less $$ ?
    That's what I thought when I saw a gearshift knob with hairline cracks for $100 that could be purchased new for $99.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerFuror View Post
    That's what I thought when I saw a gearshift knob with hairline cracks for $100 that could be purchased new for $99.
    No no no .

    The one for $99 is an aftermarket copy which does not match the OE one.

    the one I bought is OE and goes for high $$

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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by 2phast View Post
    The test though is to actually have the dealer check availability, both in the US and Germany.
    Ditto. Just to clarify, the parts guy at the Beverly Hills dealership said that both models were made (auto dimming and non-auto dimming w124 mirrors) and which one I wanted - but he didn't actually say that he had one or that one was available and I didn't enquire more about it at that time as I was looking for a non-auto dimming mirror. This was about two months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2phast View Post
    The test though is to actually have the dealer check availability, both in the US and Germany.
    Rik - I looked up my maintenance record on one of the cars and I have noted B6 6 81 8602 on the autodimming mirror, but I can't recall where & when I got that. Can you confirm/disprove please?

    However, the correct wiring for the OE autodimming mirror is; A124 440 59 09
    The first image in that Russian link in Kamyleks post is missing one number in the PN!
    It's probably mentioned already, but just to highlight the functional difference between Gen1 and Gen2 autodimming mirrors;
    - Gen 1 with the knobs has the adjustment due to a more narrow dimming range
    - Gen 2 has an improved and wider range on the dimming and don't need the adjustment

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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Trust me, first gen/second gen Mercedes Gentex mirrors don't fall into the category of "quality". No auto dimming mirrors from that time frame fall into the category, regardless of what car they were on. You would be better off saying "Originality rules" as that is the only quote you can make about these early mirrors.
    Might be, but I prefer my original '93 mirror (without yellowing, thankfully) over the other two I had: my 2008 Avensis and my current V40. It seriously took me two weeks of driving around to notice I didn't have to adjust my mirror in my Benz, and that it somehow went automatic. In the Toyota I was struggling because it wasn't dimming when I wanted it to, and in the Volvo it's also unpredictable (and too dark, often).

    I'd say: if you can get the (ok, not so really) original: go for it.
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Original dimming mirror is interesting only for someone, whoes car has this option in VIN, and it got broken or stolen.
    There are no other reasons to pay a lot of money for an old technology.
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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    I have made replica from Cadillac Seville dimming mirror. Ok it is not original dimming mirror, but it looks like original Mercedes Benz W124 dimming mirror






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    Re: Original Automatic dimming mirror from 124 500e

    Quote Originally Posted by hardas999 View Post
    I have made replica from Cadillac Seville dimming mirror. Ok it is not original dimming mirror, but it looks like original Mercedes Benz W124 dimming mirror
    Looks good, although the mirror you show is not actually from a Cadillac. Its the same mirror that Gentex used for the Mercedes though.
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