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    500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Work in progress, but she has come along a goodly bit this last go around!

    Since the last time out w/ sticking throttle/cooked brakes we have made a number of changes...this list incorporates Everything we have done thus far.


    Full interior strip/Removal.
    6 point stainless/tig welded roll cage.
    Quafe LSD
    Removal of all ancillary wiring/harnesses.
    Removal of a goodly bit of insulation, still have a bit more to pull yet.
    H&R SL600 springs (thickest and most coils per inch of what I could find on the shelf)..took some, um...cutting!
    Koni Adjustable struts/shocks front and rear.
    Semi Solid engine and transmission mounts, ie engine mounts hydraulic oil drained and 90 weight urethane used to fill the void. Transmission mount also filled.
    Fully Built valve body and updated modulator valve. Running +9 lbs over stock pressure and Redline synthetic type F fluid.
    Redline 15/50 Engine oil.
    Non ASR throttle actuator
    ABS and ASR delete...not much choice with the above ETA...
    345mm front rotors
    Stock rear vented rotors.
    4 piston brembo/MB front calipers.
    Castrol SRF fluid.
    Custom braided brake lines.
    EBC yellow stuff rears
    **we were supposed to have Porterfield R4 fronts for this outing but the order got FUBAR so we were running a street/track-ish pad. We destroyed the pads Utterly in 1 day. Plan on sending these backing plates out for a Full On track compound from some NASCAR shop in SC.
    Deleted SLS rear, installed Non SLS power steering pump from 400E.
    Full AC delete.
    No fan clutch, just a switchable 16' Spal pusher for when we're in the pits etc..
    Sparco wheel w/ NRG quick release hub and someones hub adapter...IDK, I got it off Ebay, it's for a Nardi wheel.
    Full heater and wiper delete.
    We didn't get to install Feinds rear sway bar for this outing..ran short on time (flu...) but we are looking Very forward to his Stage II setup when we want to run.
    For wheels and tires this outing we ran E63 wheels w/ 25mm H&R spacers. Toyo R888's front and rear...235 front, 255 rear. Next time I'll run 255's front and I'm looking to put a 275 in the rear..after a few laps wheel spin became an issue coming out of 5, 7 and 10b. running 38psi cold
    Also hope to switch the rear sub frame bushings over to poly while we do the rear bar..should stop things from wiggling around some..
    Oh, and exhaust is straight through to a magnaflow, no cats etc..

    Ah, seats are OMP's, full 6 point harnesses...

    I can't think of any other mods off the top of my head, but I'll make some edits if/when I remember...it all mushes together over time.

    I apologize for the orientation, this camera was mounted previously on a bit and the lens is adjustable..was in such a rush didn't remember to re-set the orientation. next time it will be straight...


    http://youtu.be/5UqHyB5eefA?t=34s


    Hope y'all enjoyed some! My tech/friend paul was riding along, we couldn't really hear each other so had to revert to hand signals to express feelings of frustration/displeasure to those that were faster or slower then us...!



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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Jonathan, great job. Thanks for posting. What did you have to do to fit the W220 brakes? I've got a pair for free, but I'm not sure how to fit them on my wagon. It seems like a banjo bolt would redirect the inlet away from the spindle. I've got no idea whether the sl600 rotors would work without mods, but I assume so. Though, some 345mm sound pretty awesome!
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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    What year 220? they need to be 05/06 calipers. Dust shields will be Gone, and rotor to LCA spacking will be Tight on early LCA's...much better with late bits. We had to make up some spacers to center up the calipers. Brake lines did require a banjo bolt affair, but we had those lines made so if you need a set we have them on the shelf..

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    And, congratulations to Jono on his 1000th post!


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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Great video. Wish the speedo was working, gotta think you were hitting some pretty high speeds on those long straights.
    LOL Jono, you have to work on your anger management, flipping off the red Mustang and the GTR!
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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Speedo? Don't need that...just know that 6K in 4th is 160...6K in 3rd is right about 110-112 IIRC. We're lifting around low 130's on the back straight. If I could USE the brakes the way I wanted to we could get up a bit better. Some more Stick would have helped as well to carry that speed through 7 etc..

    Anger...nah, I don't get angry
    The mustang was in my way and the GTR just blew my doors off.. Couldn't yell loud enough for paul to hear me, so I had to revert to sign language...

    we did actually get the speedo working again, found the bit of wire that was disconnected elsewhere and we're back up and running.

    Our next time out will likely be a Lemons race in Alabama @ Barber. Should be Fun!

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    add a ducktail spoiler to the boot and a front lip spoiler on the front bumper... In the Hammer, at 130 the car starts to squat, and throttle comes up, and is ready to pounce.

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    I may have to grab one of the repro's... @ barber we won't get up much over/if that..short straight. Now Road Atlanta...yea, that would be a good idea. Now that you mention it, my SEC appreciated having a gen II spoiler on the rear when we used to run her.

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Quote Originally Posted by jhodg5ck View Post
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    Our next time out will likely be a Lemons race in Alabama @ Barber. Should be Fun!

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    Jono,

    any update on the Lemons race in Alabama ?

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Well, we ran as high as 4th, had the 2nd fastest lap time.. We could out brake ANYONE on track...which was especially fun. Want to make me run wide by running deep, OK...Try It... Always got her stopped and turned.

    Our eventual down fall? Fuel dump cans that wouldn't dump properly, something was wrong in the valve... One of them took over 2 min to dump 5 gallons. We borrowed a proper can on day 2...it dumped it's fuel in 21 seconds.
    Lastly, and Finally, the vertically mounted coil crapped out @ 2 PM on Sunday. Of course I brought everything Else ignition related BUT. Oh Well.

    All of that into account I was really Thrilled with how she performed as were my two team mates, it was a Ton of fun. We're already planning the next race and changes we'll be making...Most noteably doing our UTMOST to add lightness. We're going to chase down everything we can.

    Once I get video loaded I'll give a Detailed write up, but for now busy day here @ the shop and I need to get back to it!!

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    I work with a few ppl who run the Lemon races here in Texas. They seem to have a bunch of fun!


    Will work with you in the pits- if you do a race closer to Texas? Maybe Memphis?


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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    I see by that first pic in post #6 that I'm not the only wheel spacer advocate on the board after all! Take that Old Man Gixxer!
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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Jonathan, did you simply disable ABS or remove the components completely?

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    The ABS still works, she was being fussy @ Road Atlanta, but now it's back...bad ground as I remember.

    The ASR quit when we yanked the ASR ETA, but this also gives us an idle speed of around 1000-1200 RPM. Not that it matter for track car... The ABS Is Wonderful....no flat spotting tires when being Ultra aggressive into corners..

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Video from the end of day 1.

    http://youtu.be/oKOyVQpRotE

    we're thinking about running Chump car @ VIR in the end of March if anyone is around/wants to come hang out..

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUt_GUZA99Y

    Well, made a few changes since last time..

    6L, warmer cams...bit of head work.

    ...some ITB's from AT Power in England.

    MSIII Pro, running E55 injectors and Audi red-top coils.

    Had to get a bit creative when dealing with coolant flow where the intake manifold Used to be...as well as adding a vacuum pump for the brake booster.


    We have weight down to 3030 w/ about a 1/2 tank of fuel.

    Anywho, the above vid was ambient of around 29 degrees on tires I wasn't Terribly confident in given Just how cold it was/how Easy it was to spin up the rear in any of the tighter corners.

    I was playing Conservative on the back straight...earlier in my session gave it Everything and went through the kink/hump on the back straight around 54-5500 rpm in 4th. I did NOT enjoy how much she wiggled around underneath me at that speed!

    Went fast enough to rip the encapsulation panel clips out of the chassis...so one less 036 panel in the world.

    AF ratios are on the RICH/safe side of things so I know we have more power on the table.

    Anywho, ya'll can watch me play around on track some/feel her out...

    Oh, last lap she starved for fuel so I backed off..didn't want to Lean things out too much.

    Hope y'all enjoy! We are going to make the switch from Lemons to AER here Soon but it's going to take a goodly bit more mods yet to make things the way we Want them.

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Awesome!
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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    SO is it my imagination, or was everything else on the track both slow and totally in your way?


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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    You would be Correct sir....and I was driving tentatively...well, I did try to push the braking a bit into 6 on one occasion only to find out that parts of the track that had been in the shade all morning were REALLY cold...locked all 4...whoops.

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Isn't there a spending limit on both car purchase price and modifications ? I remember watching videos of cars being destroyed when they were way over budget.

    Regardless, sounds like fun! Need another driver for a 24-hrs race . . .

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Quote Originally Posted by M104-AMG View Post
    Isn't there a spending limit on both car purchase price and modifications ? I remember watching videos of cars being destroyed when they were way over budget.

    Regardless, sounds like fun! Need another driver for a 24-hrs race . . .

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    Those days are gone...everyone is over budget.... Last year there was an e39 m5 with an AMX body stuck on it....it was Not stock...!

    I'll let you know sir....


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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    I just love how you stalked everyone around in 3rd gear, then the kick down. In a straight line, these things pass everything their age except a gas station... and sound better doing so. Love it!

    Cheers,

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Yea, she does pretty well in 3rd on the track...no kick down, bowden cable and switch are both disabled, so everything is through the shift gate...one of the reasons I drive one handed..

    Again, we were super happy with how strong she ran...will only get Better as we dial in the tune...!!

    Anytime you want to get something sorted just let us know

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Quote Originally Posted by jhodg5ck View Post
    Yea, she does pretty well in 3rd on the track...no kick down, bowden cable and switch are both disabled, so everything is through the shift gate...one of the reasons I drive one handed..
    AH! I was wondering about that. I figured you were holding the camera with your right hand. (kidding!)

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    As I was watching I was thinking that every driving instructor in the world would be screaming USE TWO HANDS if watching you drive. But hey, very smooth, little drama, and oh dat power.....!
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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Quote Originally Posted by Allgonquin View Post
    As I was watching I was thinking that every driving instructor in the world would be screaming USE TWO HANDS if watching you drive. But hey, very smooth, little drama, and oh dat power.....!
    For sure.
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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Indeed, all my instructors never did care for how I held the wheel...but growing up with Large mercedes and a gated shifter that's what came to be!

    If if didn't work I'd be glad to switch, but it does...and nicely at that.... Quick times and Easy on the car...and since we're doing endurance racing...well..

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Thanks for filming this!
    6.0L, hotter cams, and ITBs. . .I think we all need those in our 500Es.
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    Oh yeah! I forgot to ask - any details on the cams?


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    I noticed the speedomter was not working. How fast were you going?

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    Goddamn that thing hauls ass! I made the mistake of watching the 2014 video immediately preceeding watching the 2017 video. Now Im conviced of 6L power and ITBs. Why was everyone else in reverse?
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    Now I want to take my 500E out for a good drive. unfortunately there was a dusting of snow last night so salt is on the roads. Oh well. I guess it'll have to be the rental minivan I have now for a spirited drive. I think I saw a Chevy Astrovan in Jono's video so it can be done!

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    Oh yeah! I forgot to ask - any details on the cams?

    they're warmer, but no adjustable gears. I'll measure some lobes when I have em out
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    I noticed the speedomter was not working. How fast were you going?
    Well, stock gearing..6K in 4th would be 160. Earlier in the run I was running turn 9 @ over 5 grand but things got LOOSE...I stopped doing that....plus getting a clear run down the back straight was about nigh impossible.
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    Now I want to take my 500E out for a good drive. unfortunately there was a dusting of snow last night so salt is on the roads. Oh well. I guess it'll have to be the rental minivan I have now for a spirited drive. I think I saw a Chevy Astrovan in Jono's video so it can be done!
    Good news everyone...!
    I can't say that fellow was moving in much of a spirited manner..but he was on the racetrack so there's that..!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jlaa View Post
    Goddamn that thing hauls ass! ... Now Im conviced of 6L power and ITBs. Why was everyone else in reverse?
    It was like watching the Globetrotters play a basketball game against five-year-olds.

    At first I thought it was a "test day" with a bunch of n00b's but Jono confirmed that nope, that was actual competition. Well, for everyone else anyway.

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    Re: 500E Euro Track Rat running @ Road Atlanta.

    Jono,

    I finally got to look at your video. That was a lot of fun for you I'm sure. I enjoyed it as much as watching the Corvette's at the 24 Hours of Le Mans or the Rolex 24. In fact I think your M119 actually sounds better.

    Dumb question at least for me. On your sheet metal dash you have a round black readout instrument on the left that is flashing out numbers, it's hard to make out exactly what it's doing or what it's for. Is that the ignition spark by cylinder? Maybe showing a misfire or something?

    I don't think I saw your tach hit redline at any time. Not enough room with all of the cars in the way?

    Do you actually have any competition in this race. I think I saw only one car pass it looked like a grey Acura 2 door coupe but it looked like you could catch him at any time if you got the chance.

    Anyway, THANKS FOR THE GREAT VIDEO!!!

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    I assumed that was an air/fuel ratio gauge, but I couldn't read it either.

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    Just wait till I get MY rat rod in shape. . .
    Better watch out Jono!

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    Jono,

    I finally got to look at your video. That was a lot of fun for you I'm sure. I enjoyed it as much as watching the Corvette's at the 24 Hours of Le Mans or the Rolex 24. In fact I think your M119 actually sounds better.

    Dumb question at least for me. On your sheet metal dash you have a round black readout instrument on the left that is flashing out numbers, it's hard to make out exactly what it's doing or what it's for. Is that the ignition spark by cylinder? Maybe showing a misfire or something?


    Better watch out trae's ponton has red wheels!!!



    I don't think I saw your tach hit redline at any time. Not enough room with all of the cars in the way?

    Do you actually have any competition in this race. I think I saw only one car pass it looked like a grey Acura 2 door coupe but it looked like you could catch him at any time if you got the chance.

    Anyway, THANKS FOR THE GREAT VIDEO!!!

    Take Care
    Yup, that is an a/f ratio gauge working off of the wideband that feeds the Megasquirt. It's set kinda on the Fat side right now!

    All the room in the world to hit redline but just driving off of feel pushing the car much past there didn't net any great increase in speed. Just more stress and more fuel consumed! The torque of the 6L really is Nice!

    The one fellow I let go by was after I felt the car lean out on me...at that point i was just cruising around waiting to get back to pit in... But you're right, no one on track could pass us if we didn't let them get by.

    Glad you enjoyed! There will be more...we're signed up for the race in february..have some things we need to do b/w now and then, hopefully we can squeeze them in during a few late night stints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhodg5ck View Post
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    There will be more...we're signed up for the race in february..have some things we need to do b/w now and then, hopefully we can squeeze them in during a few late night stints.
    Jono - need some experienced Enduro drivers ? WHen and were will you be racing ?

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