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    Re: OWNER - lowman (Norge)

    My latest video .there will be a part number two ,

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    Interesting stuff... looks to me like defective bushings in the aftermarket LCA's. They should meet in the middle, same as the Lemforder bushings. The center tube would not have been enough to pull them together, and if forced, the bushing pair would have been loose in the frame, resulting in the same problem with the frame brackets bending inward. Crazy stuff!


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    Post the link too, it isn't showing up on the mobile devices like Surface.
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    This is a long massive commercial about NOT buying cheap aftermarket suspension parts for our cars. Critical bits missing on the LCA and you can do permanent damage to your frame.
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    Re: OWNER - lowman (Norge)

    Klink mentioned that the aftermarket bushings almost look like the 202 style, with the center section left out... see attached image. Not sure if this is the case, but it makes you wonder...!

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    Re: OWNER - lowman (Norge)

    These are the OEM early LCA bushings.








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    I learned early on that MB rubber lasts 25+ years for a reason. I also learned that buying the right stuff on second time meant it typically was a PITA job to begin with, costing me more time, blood and treasure than it should have. Thanks Lowman for the post.
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    The thin center tube has only one function, and that is to hold the assembly slightly against the resilience of the rubber so that they can't work out of place in shipment, and so that they are easy to insert up into the frame. I've never even seen anybody compress the tube end when replacing the bushings. It just takes a tiny bit more force to stick the assembly up into the frame lugs. ALL of the retaining force is supplied by the cam bolt once the assembled unit is up in the car, and that force is borne by the non-compressibility of the centers of the bushings which should always be already against each other, or only separated by a TINY distance once they are installed into the arms.

    Now, here's the part:

    Other than the first version hollow section rear bushings in very early 4 and 6-cylinder 124s I have NEVER seen inner bushings in a 124 front axle that justified replacement.
    Got 30-year-old 400K. mile cars where they are still absolutely fine. Replaced many over the years for crash damage, oil or fuel leak disintegration damage, corroded into one piece/can't turn the alignment adjustment eccentric bolts, but NEVER EVEN ONCE for "wear" They are virtually indestructible in the 124. They absorb almost nothing except cornering and braking forces. They DON'T support the entire weight of the car, as many imagine. Ain't seen a unserviceable set yet...
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    Klink should run for Mayor of Abstract Plains!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klink View Post
    Now, here's the part:

    Other than the first version hollow section rear bushings in very early 4 and 6-cylinder 124s I have NEVER seen inner bushings in a 124 front axle that justified replacement.
    Got 30-year-old 400K. mile cars where they are still absolutely fine. Replaced many over the years for crash damage, oil or fuel leak disintegration damage, corroded into one piece/can't turn the alignment adjustment eccentric bolts, but NEVER EVEN ONCE for "wear" They are virtually indestructible in the 124. They absorb almost nothing except cornering and braking forces. They DON'T support the entire weight of the car, as many imagine. Ain't seen a unserviceable set yet...
    Wait, so you are telling me the only reason I just bought front LCAs for my E500 is for the friggen ball joint? What are your thoughts on front struts, I think you said you have rarely seen those fail as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klink View Post
    The thin center tube has only one function, and that is to hold the assembly slightly against the resilience of the rubber so that they can't work out of place in shipment,
    i do dissagreeeee with you abit on that "statement"
    At least ..i have a couple of cents for you
    I do think that the centersleeve ALSO is making sureof getting rid of the "slack when you put the bolt through.If the sleeve is not there..there is more slack between the bolt and the bolthole..making the end points of the adjustment "less"..if that makes any sense.

    With that said..you are completely correct on the "the bushings never fail" thing..as i do have the same opinion and experience.Because of them beeing of this "solid" design..nothing big can really happen to them...but on some occasions ..if they deteoriate because of oil or fuel contamination..or just age...becoming "porous /crackin in a way...it would be better with new ones
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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoD View Post
    What are your thoughts on front struts, I think you said you have rarely seen those fail as well.
    if i can put it straight the way i see it...they DO fail.It is a myth that they do not fail.They are not any different than other shocks.These do wear no matter what people say.
    Of course they may be working good and no leaks..but ..i would BET that you would feel a difference between a 150k mile or higher/whatever mile shock...and a new one.
    Its just that over time...you wont notice performance changes that well on shocks..so unless they are completely bad(bouncy ride for an example)..or leaking..which is pretty obvious....the performance loss on the shocks isnt that noticable.

    At least thats my take on it cause i burp abit in my mouth when i hear people saying that they do not fail and so on..maybe they do not fail completely..but they do wear out like any other shock
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    Quote Originally Posted by nocfn View Post
    I learned early on that MB rubber lasts 25+ years for a reason. I also learned that buying the right stuff on second time meant it typically was a PITA job to begin with, costing me more time, blood and treasure than it should have. Thanks Lowman for the post.
    Definetly ..and that is very true for these era mercedes cars and earlier.
    One thing i have to explain is...the price of parts here in Norway...or wait..maybe i dont have too Pst ne original LCA: 1000 dollars
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    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoD View Post
    This is a long massive commercial about NOT buying cheap aftermarket suspension parts for our cars. Critical bits missing on the LCA and you can do permanent damage to your frame.
    wait for it ...wait for it...part two is coming up in 40 minutes
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    part two
    This pretty much seals the deal ..or not the deal

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Jon4duMiI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eno View Post
    These are the OEM early LCA bushings.



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    The A1243300675 is also for early style arm..but for later vin number..but still early style.Would love to know "the difference"..My car should have the 0675 bushings..So i have a feeling it is the 1991"s sporting the 0575 partsnumber..

    did some digging.The 0575 parts number is applicable to even for an example a 200e...and it says that the 0575 is only applicable to vehicles without sport suspension..which is kinda weird.
    I think i have to leave this subject before im going crazy.
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    Re: OWNER - lowman (Norge)

    #05 and #06 LCA bushing kits have the same rubber bushings, but the hardware included is slightly different.

    #06 bushings are specified on late Sportline models (shortly after facelift production began), apparently MB felt the Sportline bushings used up through mid-1993 were too stiff, so they softened the late Sportline cars slightly by using standard / stock bushings.


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    An unklink opinion but if you want a used car feel, keep your 25 year old struts and mounts. If you want a new ride, finish it off by changing struts, mount and bump stop.
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    From looking at the pictures of your Optimal bushings Lowman I would have to agree that the missing sleeve is a problem. This will leave some space between the centre bolt and the bushings. A gap that should NOT be there. I think the bushings were likely fine length wise prior to first use but when tightening the centre bolt, the inner ends shifted around (Within the gap that shouldn’t be there) and squashed together unevenly. That damage can be seen on your video where the ends of the bushings have been mashed together out of alignment. I think the shorter length you see now on those bushings may be as a result of this mis-alignment damage.

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    Re: OWNER - lowman (Norge)

    definetly it can be correct..but i have to disagree(abit .)..as long as you see the difference between the Lemfoerder ones..and the Optimal ones..
    To put it straight...i HAD a tightening torque issue on two of the bolts..holding the inner bushings.I could not get the specified torque..and i could "feel" the frame bending...which in my mind..that means that there is no "hold" in the bushings...which i do reckon is coming from the space between the bushings..

    But i do apreaciate your comment ,,it is a valid one.even though the damage in the two of the bushings..i cant wrap my head around it..seeing how that can happen when mounting them on the car.It is in some way not possible...but i guess everything is possible I definetly see what you mean though

    EDIT:GSXR mentioned something about the 202 bushings...that center sleeve type that acts like a spacer between the two bushings...i find that to be very likely..as the gap seems to be the same as a support sleeve would fit between the two bushings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JC220 View Post
    From looking at the pictures of your Optimal bushings Lowman I would have to agree that the missing sleeve is a problem. This will leave some space between the centre bolt and the bushings. A gap that should NOT be there. I think the bushings were likely fine length wise prior to first use but when tightening the centre bolt, the inner ends shifted around (Within the gap that shouldn’t be there) and squashed together unevenly. That damage can be seen on your video where the ends of the bushings have been mashed together out of alignment. I think the shorter length you see now on those bushings may be as a result of this mis-alignment damage.

    +1 on that. I think that is the issue. The bushings inner race is bigger than the screw diameter. The pipe to be inserted is made of aluminum and can be easily crushed. It serves not to keep the distance but to center the inner bushing races so they meet centered and then the distance and preload will be fine and the frame will not be squeezed together.
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    Re: OWNER - lowman (Norge)

    That may well be the case.i still find it Strange with the two brand Bushings beeing different length .the worst thing about the arms is the ball joint issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by nocfn View Post
    Klink should run for Mayor of Abstract Plains!!
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    Putting the fun in dysfunction...

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    As the weather has been quite shitty the last week...it was fun to finally clean up the car..and go out for a nice drive in the sunny weather.
    Came across this super clean w123 300d on the freeway








    Then went back to work..cause i got a notice from the postal office..that i received a package So now the front end resto can continue,,at least in a couple of weeks gotta prepare the rest of the parts





    Then i prepared a photoshoot.Was approaced by this guy running a web page and a facebook page today..about doing a feature/interview for this site...funnilyenough about bearded car enthusiasts..and he had seen my cars..and wanted to do a feature on me/my cars and my beard and my ocdness Of course i said yes So here are a couple of pictures that may go on print.dont know all the details yet.








    And finishing of the day by takin the EvoLtwin out for a spin ..my goodness i love that car..even if it has a harsh racecar ride...boy im getting older physically "laughs"

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    Re: OWNER - lowman (Norge)

    Lowman, right behind you again. I have my LCAs now and need to order new struts & mounts to finish my front suspension refurb. Looking forward to an overview video. Your cars look great. Love the Evoltwin.
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    Re: OWNER - lowman (Norge)

    I love the pic of hugging the .036
    I do the same also


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    Re: OWNER - lowman (Norge)

    Stefan, if I am not mistaken the Sachs shocks ending 069 number I used to have in my E250D many years ago.
    I believe they are specific for E300 Diesel facelift.
    Are you going to use them on your .036?


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    Re: OWNER - lowman (Norge)

    Quote Originally Posted by Eno View Post
    Stefan, if I am not mistaken the Sachs shocks ending 069 number I used to have in my E250D many years ago.
    I believe they are specific for E300 Diesel facelift.
    Are you going to use them on your .036?


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    that is correct.'the 069s are the ones specified for the 036" in the Sachs spec lists..as like many other of these cars.So im trying them out for sure Looking forward to get it all mounted and painted up
    I may get a Bilstein b8 set aswell at some point..but think they would be to stiff on the 036,
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    Re: OWNER - lowman (Norge)

    one little thing about the bushings.
    I scrolled through some pics in a thread about late style arms n stuff..and this one was posted by a777fan.
    Is it just me..or do i spot a type of center sleeve in between the bushings?

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    Re: OWNER - lowman (Norge)

    Quote Originally Posted by Eno View Post
    Stefan, if I am not mistaken the Sachs shocks ending 069 number I used to have in my E250D many years ago.
    I believe they are specific for E300 Diesel facelift.
    Sachs offers three different front struts that I'm aware of... 069, 070, and 071. I believe 069 is the approximate equivalent of "comfort", 070 is "HD", and I'm not certain what 071 is (mostly all W201 fitments).

    The Sachs online catalog is available here: https://webcat.zf.com/?SPR=4
    Click "advanced search" on left nav, and enter 115069 in the search. Screen shot of results attached.

    The 069, 070, and 071 are all specified for 4/5/6-cylinder models, not V8. Also, none of these have the internal rebound limit/stop spring used on the E500E struts. Photos attached of the OE strut labels for reference.

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    However, when searching by car/chassis, if you look up the 124.036 it does show the 115-069 struts... but when you look up the 115-069 strut, it does not show the 124.036 chassis! The 124.034 does not show any struts at all. It appears to be an error in the Sachs online catalog. Anyway, the 069 is not the exact replacement for the OE Sachs unit (553-237 for early 500E). It will bolt up fine, but has longer total extension since the 069 lacks the internal springs, and the valving is likely different as well. I have new 069's my wife's 1994 E420 and they work fine, but are a bit soft IMO. Got them on clearance sale.

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    Re: OWNER - lowman (Norge)

    Thank you for info .
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    Some pics of the stereo "build"
    I decided to go along and not bother sourcing original amplifiers..and just run all 6( 10 ) speakers through the Continental headunit.
    The two front speakers run through a splitter,so "each "side of speakers up front take only one channel.since the headunit is 4 channel only.
    I ran new speaker wires from the back and up front to the headunit.Ran the speaker wires in the original plastic guide under the carpet..I could not stand the thought of having speaker wires just put under the carpet on the side of the sills.Now they are tucked nicely down inside the plastic guide.

    I also recently installed the last bit of kit..the tweeters..made some brackets,so i could mount them in the speaker hole in the dash.Going to source some more soundproofing material..so i can "fill" the speaker hole to deaden the sound abit around the tweeter.

    The speakers in the doors i upgraded to 6.5 inch ones..and went all the way..and modified everything to fit inside the original speaker box.Even kept the original filter/splitter inside the speaker box..just to preserve the "weight and look" of the whole thing.The most important thing was to keep the originality ..beeing able to use the original speaker wire connector,and not having to cut a hole in the door card..for "bigger and better" speakers.
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    Hid the filter/splitters behind the kick panel on the passenger side footwell.




    Tweeters installed.
    First and last time i use that "metal band" for any type "repair",even though this isnt considered a repair..but a "build"..so i guess for this application it is allowed .But it worked out pretty well i think.It helps painting it black..with "gold/yellow "plated screws







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    Well done running the new speaker wire inside the plastic channels!

    What speakers did you have in the dashboard prior to this installation? Was there no ~4.5" speaker with tweeter inside there?

    BTW, your English is fantastic given that Norwegian is your primary language - it is certainly better than my Norwegian is (I know zero Norwegian) --- the technical term for those splitters in English is "crossover."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jlaa View Post
    Well done running the new speaker wire inside the plastic channels!

    What speakers did you have in the dashboard prior to this installation? Was there no ~4.5" speaker with tweeter inside there?

    BTW, your English is fantastic given that Norwegian is your primary language - it is certainly better than my Norwegian is (I know zero Norwegian) --- the technical term for those splitters in English is "crossover."
    thank you so much mister J
    Well..there was the 4.5 inch speakerss mounted ,upgraded Alpine speakers.I ran these for a week or two after finalizing the installment...but i wanted the front speaker kit/set to be "as designed"...thats why i went on and installed the tweeters that came as a part of the front kit.

    The sound was actually great before doing so i could easily kept it like that.But my mind just came back to..."gotta install the tweeters...Gotta install the tweeters"
    and so i did..and the sound went from great..to even better.A tad more crisp..so im super happy with this Polk kit.

    was quite a job fitting the speaker cables through the plastic channels..but now when i see the pics...i know that i should"ve taken out the whole carpet...completely..and cleaned the floor under the carpet
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    Here we go again.
    Got my new Lemfoerder LCA"s
    And i do question the authenticity of these arms.At least the balljoint...and to some extent the bushings...so what is really left thats Lemfoerder..bummed out really
    BUT the positive..is that the tolerance issue does not exist on these LCA"s...my ORIGINAL Lemfoerder balljoint fits right in..luckily.
    Check out the pics

    The logo here IS confirmed a genuine Lemfoerder logo..even though initially i was questioning it looking like this..and not with the "Owl" inside the triangle..but i found out that the L and triangle is a genuine logo.


    Lemfoerder?


    "Lemfoerder"?


    Lemfoerder to the left..and "Lemfoerder" to the right


    Lemfoerder to the left..and "Lemfoerder" to the right


    "Lemfoerder"?


    "Lemfoerder"?


    Lemfoerder!


    Lemfoerder!


    Lemfoerder to the left..and "Lemfoerder" to the right


    Lemfoerder to the left..and "Lemfoerder" to the right


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    Re: OWNER - lowman (Norge)

    Here is my video people.
    I hope you like it for what it is
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