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    Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    This might been discussed here many times but I didn't find, so are these bolts correct for 17" OZ AMG (8,5+10") wheels?
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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    Quote Originally Posted by jnes View Post
    This might been discussed here many times but I didn't find, so are these bolts correct for 17" OZ AMG (8,5+10") wheels?
    http://tinyurl.com/gn2neqt ..
    I think those bolts are too long for the AMG Aero OZ and stick outside a bit, but I may mix up with the longer 95 mm type. Maybe the shorter 73 mm bolts fits better? (they fit the EVO II very nicely)

    http://www.ebay.de/itm/Mercedes-Rads...3D291405012432

    If anyone else don't chime in on this I can do a test fit tonight and post som pics tomorrow.


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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    This will work in the back, but not in the front as they'll stuck out. You'll need to use the updated (shorter style) ones in the front. This way all the wheels will have bolt heads that sit close to flush with the face of the wheels.

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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    Cant they be cut to a right length in front?
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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dario View Post
    Cant they be cut to a right length in front?
    No, if so you cut down the hex head, and that's not a good idea. And you would also sacrifice the silver plating on the bolt head, and then you sit back with a regular bolt head.
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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    Those are W210 bolts and would not be correct for either front or rear, on either the AMG 3-pc, or stock 8-hole/15-hole 16" wheels.

    EDIT: It seems these MAY be correct for at least some 8.5" wide 3-pc wheels, assuming the centers haven't been swapped around. May depend if they are OZ or BBS.

    Per the AMG docs, the 3-pc should use standard lugs with a 10.5mm head. Not sure what head length is needed to make the bolts flush, if they are different front vs rear as alabbasi stated.

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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Those are W210 bolts and would not be correct for either front or rear, on either the AMG 3-pc, or stock 8-hole/15-hole 16" wheels.

    Per the AMG docs, the 3-pc should use standard lugs with a 10.5mm head. Not sure what head length is needed to make the bolts flush, if they are different front vs rear as alabbasi stated.

    Thanks for posting, Dave. I think I have a couple of those short headed bolts laying around, and I've been wondering what the actually fit for, so this was clarifying.
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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    Also note there are early & late versions of the 3-pc wheels... the early versions need special HWA- lug bolts. I don't know what the difference is, the documents don't say. Seems the early ones may be OZ and later are BBS...?


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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Also note there are early & late versions of the 3-pc wheels... the early versions need special HWA- lug bolts. I don't know what the difference is, the documents don't say. Seems the early ones may be OZ and later are BBS...?

    I'm not familiar with that, but the set I have is produced by OZ 05/89.


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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    See my BW posts on this exact subject here:

    http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126...-little-2.html

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    ADMIN EDIT: See post #14 in that thread.

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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dario View Post
    Cant they be cut to a right length in front?
    Absolutely not. Either get two sets (one for the front and one for the rear) or use the ones with the shallower heads and a deep impact socket.

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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    Hmm, I bought boltset from Ebay and it was pricey. 10 bolts are as in first post and 10 bolts are like Dave post's attachment. (shorter bolts) As I remember correctly longer bolts fitment was nice when installing on 10" rim. Shorter bolts went too deep to rim. I haven't measure bolt lenghts. Also I'm not sure are the centers swapped. ET numbers seems correct but I have to measure they also and maybe check the part numbers. Is there any info, or datasheet which part numbers are used in 8,5" and 10" rims?

    I'll try to take picture from the bolts and wheel installation. So you can decide are bolts wrong or right..

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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    Quote Originally Posted by jnes View Post
    Hmm, I bought boltset from Ebay and it was pricey. 10 bolts are as in first post and 10 bolts are like Dave post's attachment. (shorter bolts) As I remember correctly longer bolts fitment was nice when installing on 10" rim. Shorter bolts went too deep to rim. I haven't measure bolt lenghts. Also I'm not sure are the centers swapped. ET numbers seems correct but I have to measure they also and maybe check the part numbers. Is there any info, or datasheet which part numbers are used in 8,5" and 10" rims?

    I'll try to take picture from the bolts and wheel installation. So you can decide are bolts wrong or right..
    The attachments in Dave's post #6 shows the PN on both the wheels and bolts.

    8,5" front: HWA 129 400 02 02
    10" rear: HWA 129 400 04 02

    It is specified with the same bolt type for front and rear: HWA 124 400 00 70

    You do probably have a set like those on the enclosed image?
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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    Yes Arnt, I think I have exactly same set as in you attachment pic. Oh, there were wheel part numbers also. But there are some wheels which have part number C740xxxxxx? Are these later versions of wheels?

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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    I think the C-prefix wheels are the early / OZ ones, but I'm not certain. Anyone have documents showing the part numbers for each? I haven't collected much for the R129, which is what these wheels were originally designed for...


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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    I don't have documents but this is what I found on Ebay.de
    C740 0175 is for 8,5"
    C740 0146 is for 10"
    C740 0135 is for 8,5" this rim has 2" outer lip with 6,5" inner barrel. According to this ebay announcement. http://tinyurl.com/nq2hxs5 Probably both inner and outer lips have been changed..

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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    Found it in the WIS. Documents attached.

    The C740- numbers are OZ wheels and these require lug bolts HWA-201-401-02-70 (each) or B6-602-0201 (set of 20, I think). The OZ wheels appear to be used through 03/92. No idea if either of the lug bolts part numbers are still available, or what they look like, or if they are just cosmetically different than the BBS lugs mentioned below.

    The later wheels were made by BBS and do not have the C740- prefix. Lug bolts for these are 201-400-00-70 (each), superceded to 124-400-04-70, which are NLA and replaced by 000-990-48-07. Seems the BBS wheels were used as of 04/92.

    Lug bolt photos for the BBS/late style are here:
    http://www.w124performance.com/image...els/lug_bolts/

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    Re: Found a pair of AMG Monoblock IIs. The size is 18x8.5/9.5. Will it fit my 500e?

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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    See PDF files attached above in post #17.

    Also read this thread... while the 3-pc wheels look great, they are crack-prone and become very nice $1500 garden hose reels afterwards.


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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Found it in the WIS. Documents attached.

    The C740- numbers are OZ wheels and these require lug bolts HWA-201-401-02-70 (each) or B6-602-0201 (set of 20, I think). The OZ wheels appear to be used through 03/92. No idea if either of the lug bolts part numbers are still available, or what they look like, or if they are just cosmetically different than the BBS lugs mentioned below.

    The later wheels were made by BBS and do not have the C740- prefix. Lug bolts for these are 201-400-00-70 (each), superceded to 124-400-04-70, which are NLA and replaced by 000-990-48-07. Seems the BBS wheels were used as of 04/92.

    Lug bolt photos for the BBS/late style are here:
    http://www.w124performance.com/image...els/lug_bolts/

    Dave, the C740 xxxx numbers are a bit confusing, take a look at my OZ wheel disks in post #9, the fronts has C740 0135
    Have you seen this PN before?

    These wheels came with my very first 500TE back in 2006, and I have no historical information about them.
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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    What do you guys think about these bolts? According to Dave's documents and pics posted before these bolts may be correct for late style wheels? http://www.ebay.de/itm/301663196772
    I asked what is the part number for these bolts but unfotunately seller has no idea about it.

    Arnt, your front wheels might be 8,5" wide with 2" outer lip and 6,5" inner barrel

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    Re: Correct wheelbolts for OZ AMG?

    Those appear to be the 124-400-04-70 bolts used in the early 90's. These are NLA new but you can find used sets. Pics below:

    http://www.w124performance.com/image...124-400-04-70/

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