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    Has anyone got any tips on buying a used motor? (Other than not to!!)

    I am going to a Salvage yard first thing tomorrow morning who have 3x complete m104 motors pulled and sitting on pallets. I want a coil pack / 3.2L 104.992 engine as a spare. I may either strip and clean it - fit new HG etc and fit into the coupe eventually. Or fit into my 300E-24 to up the CC and rid it of dist cap and KE injection. Since that car has no cats from factory I could run it without a cat. Or just as a spare parts donor. Might be one of the last times I'll be able to pick up a spare m104 motor.....

    I'm going to look under Oil Cap for general idea of cleanliness and check the engine numbers of course to ensure it's a 3.2 motor. Any other top tips on what to look for to pick the 'best one'? I already got the 2007 ETA from one of the 3x motors last weekend. Hoping to pick one still 100% complete....
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    Any possibility of doing any compression tests on the engines?

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    Any possibility of doing any compression tests on the engines?
    I could yes - the conditions aren't ideal though. A room full of engines - to even get to the m104's last Saturday I had to climb over other engines!

    Then lugging a battery in etc.... The yard guy said one particular engine would be the top pick. It was taken from a Red 320CE coupe they had in a few months back. He said it came in running and was 100% plus low mileage.

    I have that car's VIN so I will verify the engine number on it as correct and choose it I think. When I get it home I will compression test it too. If there are any issues they would let me swap it out again I'm sure.

    The engines they had were very clean and complete with Starter motors etc. Very good price too - they don't sell very many m104's at all anymore so as he said himself - demand is almost zero.
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    Picked up the CE 104.992 low miler spare engine today. It was a running car when it went to the yard and they said it was a very good one - I know them over 12 years so I trust them! (The car was scrapped due to rust and the Eco Junk issues they all have here)

    The complete engine with ancillaries as pictured was only £120 - too hard to pass up! Can't see a date on the ETA so presumed Eco Junk. The PO appears to have made a go at a DIY engine wiring harness too

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    The m104 engine is quite a big lump seeing it like this. One guy said it looked like a Tank Engine!




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    Non-ASR, that's good. Yeah, the 104 is not a slim/compact motor. But man, I sure do like them a lot !!

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    Hi Gerry,


    Yes non ASR- the ETA Part number matches the one in my 3.6 AMG motor, the 2007 ETA I got last weekend and the same as my original CE ETA. So it’s nice to now have not one but 2x on the shelf spare. I do wonder if I can track down the MB Pigtail PN if available for these spare ETA’s.


    I agree on the M104 being a fantastic motor. Having owned a m102 w124 it was pretty crap to drive & not great on fuel either! I bought my 300E-24 when I was 18 and loved the power and silky smoothness of it in comparison. Besides the upper cover & HG Oil leaks they are a pretty bulletproof motor when cared for. Never had an issue with one and the guy today said the same thing – no one buys them because they never give any bother in the first place! Hence why this one was so cheap. I sure would like to also pick up another 3.6 AMG motor some time - they are pretty mean engines!

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    Progress! The 320CE’s harness arrived and after around 35 hours work (Since flatbedding it home and pushing into my garage) + many parts replaced it fired up first turn of the key. There was some lifter noise at first but that’s to be expected after a 5+ year lay up. The car is running superb – full 3 bar+ Oil pressure at hot idle, perfect smooth running and the gearbox is cycling through reverse etc very quickly / nicely. Very pleased!



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    It was in dire condition only 3 weeks ago lying in the shed dead in the spot it had been pushed into 5+ years prior- with rodent chewed ignition wires, cobwebs / leaves and a half removed / butchered wiring harness hanging out. Many parts were seized rock solid but the engine was clean as a whistle inside so I knew it was salvagable and took it on in ernest. So far I’ve done just enough to get it running and verify the motor / gearbox is good– now the resto work can begin

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    The next most pressing job is replacing both engine mounts. Both are flat as a pancake and the engine is basically sitting on the crossmember and front ARB!

    Lemforder is my usual choice but with their reported more recent Chinese manufacturing habits I’m hoping the boxes won’t turn up with chineseum inside. The should be Boge mounts still I think - I guess if they are now Chinese made then they will be at the stealer’s too..... this is a pic on eBay of Lemforder mounts marked as made in China. Sad to see - Lemforder used to be a very much trusted brand

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    Has anyone bought Lemforder or MB engine mounts lately? Where were they made and are they Boge inside? I need PN 124 240 19 17 (Lemforder Ref: 38712 01)
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    My lemforder were boge, bought last spring from FCPEURO
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    With the engine mounts you don't want to gamble... not exactly a quick job to do. I went OEM benz, and the price wasn't that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve119 View Post
    With the engine mounts you don't want to gamble... not exactly a quick job to do. I went OEM benz, and the price wasn't that bad.
    I agree wholeheartedly! However in this instance my dealer is very expensive for the mounts. £218 for a pair. I can get Lemforders delivered to my door from Germany for £104. I think I will go for the Lemforder items and hope that Boge items are in the box.
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    At least with the retailer I used, they were fully returnable if junk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JC220 View Post
    Lemforder is my usual choice but with their reported more recent Chinese manufacturing habits I’m hoping the boxes won’t turn up with chineseum inside. The should be Boge mounts still I think - I guess if they are now Chinese made then they will be at the stealer’s too..... this is a pic on eBay of Lemforder mounts marked as made in China. Sad to see - Lemforder used to be a very much trusted brand

    Has anyone bought Lemforder or MB engine mounts lately? Where were they made and are they Boge inside? I need PN 124 240 19 17 (Lemforder Ref: 38712 01)
    That is depressing. I hadn't seen Lemforder selling Chinese motor mounts until your photo above.

    The last M119 mounts I saw from Lemforder were still reboxed Boge. However, this will vary with each different engine mount p/n and the 6-cyl mounts could be different. And, the latest M119 mounts could be different, last I received were from a year or two ago.


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    Tonight I took apart my ‘broken’ spare rear C124 window regulator. It was jammed and not working like both currently in my CE. The pics show the disassembly process. In short the motor is working just fine once the cable was removed. The cables were frayed and gummed up with old grease to a point where they were jamming the motor from working. So just buy new cables right? Wrong! MB only sell complete window regulator motors with cables as far as I can tell in EPC.

    It would be a crying shame to junk 3X C124 rear window regulators just because of these cables. I must see if I can get some made anywhere or fabricoble my own. That would allow me to strip, clean, lube and rebuild 2x regulators first then swap them into my C124 and also rebuild the ones in it as spares.

    This company looks promising so I’m going to ask them to use my dimensions to make custom C124 cable repair sets.
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mercedes-Benz-W124-E-Class-Window-Regulator-Repair-Kit-Cable-Pull-Rear-L-R-NEW-/263247124976

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    Shouldn't be too hard to find someone in the UK that can replicate those wires. If you can't find any domestic company, let me know and I'll see what I can get made in Sweden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doolar View Post
    Shouldn't be too hard to find someone in the UK that can replicate those wires. If you can't find any domestic company, let me know and I'll see what I can get made in Sweden.
    Thomas, thank you for the kind offer. It appears the German company are happy to make the CE rear motor cables for me based on my dimensions. Indeed; I think they will market them after this point so others can also buy them! I do want to verify for sure that both rear motors take the identical length cable pairs. So tonight I must dismantle the other side and confirm the cables are the same. Then I’m placing an order for 8 cables. That will allow me to strip and re-furbish 4no CE rear motors. (The spare pair and the originals in the car) Stay tuned for more info on that rebuild in a couple weeks after the new cables (hopefully!) get here.


    I also ordered a new Hirschman power antenna for the CE and new Genuine MB grommet(s). I think the Chinese antenna that I found installed was the reason why water got in and rusted that side trunk tub
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    I have since discovered that there was something amis with that first CE regulator I took apart. The wires were installed backwards – hence why the motor frayed the cables and locked up. I have new cables coming from germany to make that regulator good. This is how it should look-

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    Today was one of my last parts trips of the year – so I made it count! Got a full ‘trunk’ full of stuff. A full set of good used (Tested first this time) CE regulators front and rear, a pair of CE mirrors and quite a few NOS Genuine MB parts for R129, W140 and W124 models. All brand new & sealed – including a W211 Avantgarde Instrument cluster which ill sell on. Before starting to unload -

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    Whilst moving some parts around today... with a Wheelbarrow I realise I ‘need’ to sell some stuff! NOS genuine MB W123, W140, W126 & R129 parts listed here-
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    As initial work on the CE continues I noticed that both front headlamp wipers were stuck solid! And people appear to think these motors are appreciating faster than a 500E. Can’t get a pair in UK for under £90 – used / untested motors. So making reference to this excellent thread I thought I had nothing to lose but strip one and see if I could repair it.

    The issue was exactly what was described in the thread above. The plastic gear inside had inexplicably grown in size and jammed so tight it had to be pressed out. Now milled down it is ready to re-assemble. (The motor was tested and still perfectly functional after the jammed bits were removed) So finishing up the rebuilding of both front headlamp wiper motors then onto the main wiper. It is making horrible noises and very slow / jamming so needs a full strip / rebuild.

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    After that is Sunroof refurbishment – all new pads on order from MB. The CE will be the DIY test mule



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    The engine mount parcel arrived from Germany today. Lemforder made in China. Pics attached of the items – not Boge. Feel like returning them – but then what for!?

    Lemforder are China made now and the dealer likely is too since Lemforder may well be supplying MB too like they do for the suspension parts. In reality I think I’m just going to fit them anyway rather than send them back to Germany and start again

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    Yikes - I was aware that the e500e mounts were reboxed boge, those are for a different car I presume?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nocfn View Post
    Yikes - I was a ware that the e500e mounts were reboxed boge, those are for a different car I presume?
    Yes these are for my 1994 320CE who’s mounts are currently flat as a pancake! My 500E had new mounts fitted by a main dealer less than 10k miles ago and they are good.

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    well it may work for 3 months, may be 3 years....
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    I’ll take one for the team- going to fit them and make a note on here of date + mileage. We shall see how long they last. Hopefully my skepticism on Chinese Parts is misplaced. I need to be careful where I buy all the suspension arms from now.... Lemforder were my go to.
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    Kind of makes you want to buy MB everything...
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    I do wonder that if Lemforder re-boxed Boge items before could they be re-boxing URO or similar items now? There are no markings on the mounts themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC220 View Post
    I’ll take one for the team- going to fit them and make a note on here of date + mileage. We shall see how long they last. Hopefully my skepticism on Chinese Parts is misplaced. I need to be careful where I buy all the suspension arms from now.... Lemforder were my go to.
    A number of Lemforder parts for the 124 chassis have changed country of manufacture in recent years. The Lemforder steering links (tie rod assy's, drag link) had been made in Germany but are now made in Turkey. Lemforder strut mounts are made in Brazil. I am very curious what brand the current OE MB dealer engine mounts are (for M104), and where they are made. It's possible that MB is clamping down on their OEM's selling the same part (with logos ground off) via aftermarket channels. AFAIK, Lemforder was never the OEM for the MB mounts, but I'm not certain.

    BTW, so far, I have not seen E500E Lemforder engine mounts that are not reboxed Boge.


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    I do wonder that if Lemforder re-boxed Boge items before could they be re-boxing URO or similar items now? There are no markings on the mounts themselves
    Any time you get reboxed stuff made in China... you gotta wonder. However, I would hope Lemforder would still insist on some sort of quality control and not sell mounts coming from whatever factory produces URO / APA / FEQ / etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    I would hope Lemforder would still insist on some sort of quality control and not sell mounts coming from whatever factory produces URO / APA / FEQ / etc.
    These are my thoughts exactly. I hope that Lemforder still supply quality parts even if the country of origin differs. I have soooo many parts to buy for the CE I need to go aftermarket. I would love to buy all Genuine parts but needs must- and I want this car on the road next spring so I can drive and enjoy it. If it were a longer term project I would send these back but needs must.
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    Switch over periods are never good on quality. Things that were made for ages and switch manufacturing plants take a lot to get back to where it was quality wise. I've seen turkey made camshafts which were 0.10 underground at the journals. Ball joints which you could carve easily with a pocket knife.
    Older parts tend to have less engineering definition and processes are buried. Oh, well Joe knew how to was suppose to be made- regardless of engineering blueprint. Now, you've given it to another country and Joe is layed off or retired... takes a bit to relearn and fix the drawing/process.

    If these companies truly invest in having a true presence there and are not just made-to order, the quality can get there. Look at Swiss watch parts, Cummins, etc. Lots of examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samiam44 View Post
    Switch over periods are never good on quality. Things that were made for ages and switch manufacturing plants take a lot to get back to where it was quality wise. I've seen turkey made camshafts which were 0.10 underground at the journals. Ball joints which you could carve easily with a pocket knife.
    Older parts tend to have less engineering definition and processes are buried. Oh, well Joe knew how to was suppose to be made- regardless of engineering blueprint. Now, you've given it to another country and Joe is layed off or retired... takes a bit to relearn and fix the drawing/process.

    If these companies truly invest in having a true presence there and are not just made-to order, the quality can get there. Look at Swiss watch parts, Cummins, etc. Lots of examples.
    I thought I was layed off there for a second

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    The engine mounts badly needed changed in the CE so I did it tonight. Those bolts are a PITA! A socket will not fit on at all due to no exhaust clearance. So I went and bought an extra 17mm 3/8 6 point socket. The cut it down in height so it just fitted over the bolt. Voila – bolt off in seconds. The other side had more room so got a S shaped spanner in and hit with a hammer to crack the top bolt free. There is a marked improvement and the engine is no longer resting on the ARB The mounts were the original 1994 items. Transmission mount next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC220 View Post
    The engine mounts badly needed changed in the CE so I did it tonight. Those bolts are a PITA! A socket will not fit on at all due to no exhaust clearance. So I went and bought an extra 17mm 3/8 6 point socket. The cut it down in height so it just fitted over the bolt. Voila – bolt off in seconds.
    Brilliant solution! What did you use to cut the socket down so neatly?


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    Brilliant solution! What did you use to cut the socket down so neatly?
    Thanks- it was a thin cutting disc on a grinder followed by a flap wheel to clean up the cut edge. A local auto store sells single sockets so it was easy to get a single one to cut down without destroying a socket set
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    I have a question guys hoping for some input. I am looking at several different full suspension Kits for the CE. Don’t want to lower it too much -30mm maybe kind of in line with the Sportline setup it had from factory. But new and not cracked!

    http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pag...r=mercedes_124

    Some kits state they are not suitable for Sportline vehicles... I think it should not matter am I right?

    There is a Spax adjustable kit too that looks very good. 28 settings on the dampers.
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    I treated the 320CE to the TAP124 Spax PSX kit Seems to be one of the best out there and is fully adjustable – that’s new for me

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    I have a question guys hoping for some input. I am looking at several different full suspension Kits for the CE. Don’t want to lower it too much -30mm maybe kind of in line with the Sportline setup it had from factory. But new and not cracked!

    http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pag...r=mercedes_124

    Some kits state they are not suitable for Sportline vehicles... I think it should not matter am I right? There is a Spax adjustable kit too that looks very good. 28 settings on the dampers. ...
    I treated the 320CE to the TAP124 Spax PSX kit Seems to be one of the best out there and is fully adjustable – that’s new for me
    Just get the factory Sportline springs, based on the EPC spring charts. Sportline sway bars & LCA/subframe bushings too.

    In general I would not recommend any coilover conversions for the 124 chassis. The front strut tower area was not designed to support the weight of the car, and I've seen the welds in that area break with normal suspension!


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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Just get the factory Sportline springs, based on the EPC spring charts. Sportline sway bars & LCA/subframe bushings too.

    In general I would not recommend any coilover conversions for the 124 chassis. The front strut tower area was not designed to support the weight of the car, and I've seen the welds in that area break with normal suspension!
    Hi Dave- the car had factory sportline option. But all Springs and shocks are rusted and one spring broken. The Spax kit ia not coil over - that’s just a generic image

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC220 View Post
    Hi Dave- the car had factory sportline option. But all Springs and shocks are rusted and one spring broken. The Spax kit ia not coil over - that’s just a generic image

    The will be Spax Springs and W124 shortened gas adjustable dampers
    AH, got it. I would still use factory Sportline springs (they should be available new). For the dampers, I'm not sure if there is much to be gained with the Spax... but I don't have any direct experience so I can't say for sure.

    BTW, I really hate sites that show generic photos that are completely different than the actual item being sold!


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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    AH, got it. I would still use factory Sportline springs (they should be available new). For the dampers, I'm not sure if there is much to be gained with the Spax... but I don't have any direct experience so I can't say for sure.

    BTW, I really hate sites that show generic photos that are completely different than the actual item being sold!

    I can chime in on the Sportline springs, got them for my car. They are a nice mix of comfort vs. stiffness on the 124-chassis. But don't expect a very low car (but do expect comfort, even over road bumps).
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    Dave & Thomas thanks for the recommendation. I agree factory sportline would be best – the springs are available I did check. But my dealer quoted over £1000 for the 4x springs and shocks. Comparatively the Spax adjustable damper / spring kit is £557 delivered. Spax are high quality items and a much respected brand in the UK. I think they will be decent – I did find pictures online of the W124 items I think-

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    When the kit arrives I will post pictures for anyone curious. I will be installing all new 4 bump pads with these springs in the hope that the lower will be closer to 35mm from stock. I think Sportline is lower than stock already anyway so in reality the ride height will not change much. I am not after a ‘slammed’ look - not at all. But I do very much prefer stiffer suspension setup in MB’s (Like modern Avantgarde models) and the fact I can adjust the dampers is well worth a try I think. The roads here are great quality and I am a spirited driver lets say

    I have a habit of over-restoring w124’s then not driving them. So the Coupe will get the same treatment – but not stuck 100% on originality like the 500E. And I will be driving the CE for sure as weekend use all year around.
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    My $0.02: I would still get factory Sportline springs... and use the Spax dampers if you prefer them. I am curious about the Spax, what adjustment is offered? KONI only allows rebound adjustment (no compression adjustment).

    A lot of the aftermarket springs (form ANY manufacturer!) tend to be "one size fits most", which in reality translates into "one size fits almost nothing properly". There's a reason why MB has literally dozens of different spring part numbers. The springs are not cheap on this side of the pond either, last I checked I think it was $400-$500 USD for a set of four, from the discount dealers?


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    This is the Spax blurb: http://www.spaxperformance.com/modern-products/psx/

    If you are really serious about wanting to transform the handling characteristics of your car, you will need a SPAX PSX suspension kit with dampers that can be easily adjusted for stiffness, in seconds, with no dismantling. Controlling the bump and rebound damper stiffness allows you to alter the suspension set up to perfectly suit your style of driving. The result is more driver confidence and this means more enjoyment!
    Some suspension kits may give your car cool looks and a sportier ride.
    SPAX PSX Suspension Kits deliver SO MUCH MORE

    Performance
    SPAX PSX kits contain 4 uprated, shortened, 28 stage on-car adjustable dampers, matched to a set of our SSX Springs. SPAX engineers have developed these kits to produce maximum control and handling. PSX dampers are uprated, shortened and pressurised with Krypton gas. This produces not only superior low speed ride quality, but also high speed performance that is ultra stable, fade free and therefore significantly improved. The result is maximum cornering speed and traction, minimum braking distance and roll. Maximum adrenaline when you want it, minimum adrenaline when you don’t! PSX kits are ideal for most fast road applications and occasional “track days” because they have a wide range of on car adjustment with no dismantling. Transform your car’s handling from “drive to work” to “track day” in about a minute!
    Quality
    SPAX PSX kits are designed and manufactured to the strictest German TüV quality standards, using the latest technologies and methods. Each and every PSX damper is fully Dyno Tested to ensure you get 100% performance, 100% quality, 100% guaranteed. All PSX dampers and springs are Epoxy Powder coated and oven cured for second to none looks and extra long life.
    Safety
    Dampers and springs are safety critical parts of your car that can save your life. Optimal handling results in better driver control and shorter stopping distances and this leads to a safer and more enjoyable drive.
    Value
    SPAX’s massive buying power, commitment to value and “Factory Direct” pricing allows you to buy this premium product at second to none value.



    I’ll set them in the centre to start with and go from there! OK I’ll re-think the Springs when the time comes. I have about 2 months Welding up next! The bit I’m putting off as long as possible
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    Dave: I did some checking a couple of years ago when I replaced the motor mounts on my E320 (M104 motor). I believe factory supplier is Corteco and I notice Peach Parts currently shows Corteco mounts as OEM and available. I didn't want to take any chances however and used factory parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geraniumtr View Post
    Dave: I did some checking a couple of years ago when I replaced the motor mounts on my E320 (M104 motor). I believe factory supplier is Corteco and I notice Peach Parts currently shows Corteco mounts as OEM and available. I didn't want to take any chances however and used factory parts.
    Peter, I did some checking too... I found for the W210 (or at least, 210.072 chassis) Corteco is indeed the OEM and the dealer mounts are almost identical to Corteco aftermarket, but with the dealer mounts at 2x-3x the price. I took pictures of the OE/Genuine mounts (label claimed made in Germany, btw) but I haven't yet uploaded the pics to my website.

    For grins, I also tried ordering a set of "OEM" Corteco mounts for 6-cyl 124 and I wasn't thrilled with what arrived. No country of manufacture to be found, and no markings on the mounts to indicate who made them or where. Made me wonder if they are reboxing some items. And, I'm still not sure if Corteco is OEM for 124 engine mounts - I don't think so, but I'm not certain. I'd like to get a pair of OE/Genuine mounts for inspection but ugh, they are $$$$$$.


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    Darn- I was looking at Corteco mounts from Germany and they were cheaper than Lemforder by a good bit. But I thought I’d air on the side of caution and get Lemforder. Didn’t work out too well

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    MY 1994 CE had a cracked leather steering wheel. I swapped in the perfect one from the E220. But still lusted after a wheel like in my 500E. So I located and purchased another W124 Sportline Steering wheel:

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    It is identical in appearance to my 500E wheel and 390mm diameter. But I can’t see any small bolt holes for the ‘Squib’ at the back of the wheel. My CE has the standard plastic squib with brushes on the boss. I hope I can transfer that plastic squib over and drill / screw it onto the Sportline Steering wheel pictured. (These are the seller's pics ill have it in a few days)

    EDIT- Dave to the rescue again with his excellent pics! http://www.w124performance.com/image...ering_squibbs/
    Those nuts just need taken off and my squib swapped in I think.
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    More on the Chinese Lemforder here:
    http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w201...ade-china.html

    The buyer contacted ZF and was told they are legit mounts (i.e., ZF confirmed that particular Lemforder mount is produced in China).


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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    More on the Chinese Lemforder here:
    http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w201...ade-china.html

    The buyer contacted ZF and was told they are legit mounts (i.e., ZF confirmed that particular Lemforder mount is produced in China).
    Thanks for the link Dave – I guess I feel slightly better about the Lemforder Engine Mounts. The Gearbox Mount was also slightly worse for wear.....

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    I can’t drive the car since it’s not road legal but it sure idles super smooth now VS the old mounts. I also received the Sportline steering wheel for the CE. Although the original leather is not cracked and is all in tact – it does look discoloured and has marks / indents from storage. I am going to refurbish the wheel myself if anyone would like to see a DIY created on that speak now!

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    As per the DIY thread below the sunroof refurbishment is complete in my CE:
    https://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11879


    Next I am planning to take it outside, get it jacked up and steam clean the entire underside and engine bay etc. Then welding / underbody restoration begins. The new suspension / underbody parts are arriving faster than I can un pack them! There is much to do and it will be a while before I begin to fit the all new underbody parts – likely the Christmas holidays.

    I will keep the thread posted as the restoration goes along – initially it’s boring rust repairs The current plan is to have it MOT'd again (First test in almost 7 years) early next year after phase 1 is complete - the underbody resto.
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    I haven't had time to read the rest of your sunroof DIY. Looking forward to it. A vote of encouragement also for your posting the wheel refurbishing.

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    I haven't had time to read the rest of your sunroof DIY. Looking forward to it. A vote of encouragement also for your posting the wheel refurbishing.

    Drew
    Hi Drew- thanks and yes I have now got the materials for refurbishing the Sportline steering wheel at home so I’ll be tackling that on Sunday. Should be a nice project I think- I’ll aim to post a DIY on the subject if I’m successful!
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    Looking forward to steering wheel DIY too Joe!
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    I’ve started on the wheel – obligatory ‘before’ pictures!

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    It is important to note that the leather is not degraded, cracked or peeling. Rather – the leather has been indented / scratched most likely from years of poor storage and the leather colour is worn on the top face from use. So far I’ve cleaned and fed the leather several days in advance. It soaked in the cream very fast! Then removed the airbag, given it another thorough clean / de-grease with Dodo juice leather cleaner, hot water and a microfiber towel.


    The first product being used is a black leather filler. Used to infill the dimples and marks in the leather surface before re-colouring. The filler will cure fully overnight then I’ll gingerly finish with 1200 grit paper (Not sure to use the paper wet or dry yet....) before moving on to the next steps tomorrow

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    1992 w124 500E Rolling Restoration - ongoing 1994 C124 E320 - Recently acquired resto project
    2007 w211 E220CDI Avantgarde Daily Driver
    Parted out myself- 95 C36 AMG / 95 E250D / 98 w124 India E220

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    I made a mistake by trying to wet sand the leather filler this morning– it came off with the water. So I wiped the filler all off with a wet cloth and started again. The ‘advantage’ of that was any deep marks have filler in them now all to an even level. So it’ll take a few hours for the second / re-coat of filler to cure enough to have a second go at dry sanding it this time with very fine grades obviously.

    The kit is simplicity itself! I used the special cleaner and a sponge before testing a small section of the dye. Dab it on with a small sponge in the kit and dry it in seconds with a hairdryer. I do like the finish - a matt charcoal (w124 esk) leather colour more than jet black and a nice matt finish - I hate 'shiny' fake looking products and leather 'slimes'. Dodo juice leather cleaner / seal products are great that way as they leave no shiny / sticky residue. I don’t want to over-apply the dye and 2x coats appeared perfect. This is the small test area re-dyed beside one of the more badly faded areas of the wheel (Left treated – right half untreated)

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    For anyone who might want to do this also – here are the items I bought;
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Leather-Vinyl-Steering-Wheel-Restoration-Repair-Kit-BLACK/171202634883
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50-ml-Leather-Repair-Filler-Compound-Holes-Scuffs-Cracks-Professionally-used/162632603316

    Pictures of the finished wheel to follow later – assuming that is I don’t mess up the leather filler sanding again!
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    Parted out myself- 95 C36 AMG / 95 E250D / 98 w124 India E220

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    Sanding the leather filler with dry 1200 grit is the way to go! This is the wheel sanded and rubber backing edges masking taped to prevent dye transfer:

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    After 1x coat of dye I could still see some small imperfections when looking close. So I applied a second coat of filler and now waiting on that to cure before a final sand and 2 or 3 final coats of dye. Squib was a straight bolt in swap from the CE’s non sportline wheel. I can see a manufacturing date of August 1993 on this Sportline wheel. This is the wheel now after 1x coat of dye and after another leather filler application to some minor remaining marks

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    It’s done – and looking great I think! The finish is very even and looks original quality - It’s nice to save the original Mercedes leather. The time spent during filling, prep & sanding is most important here. All damage is totally gone. It took me a few hours sanding etc but well worth it. 3 coats of dye to finish which pretty much emptied the bottle. For applying the dye the best technique was to sponge it on in about 3 inch long sections at a time moving fast – but not fast enough to cause bubbles and immediately dry it off with a hairdryer before moving on with the next section of dye. I used my GF’s expensive hairdryer which was awesome for this – dusted off my prints (And dye!) and left it back exactly where I got it. What she doesn’t know won’t hurt as they say! I have just ordered 2x more kits to do my 500E steering wheel and I’ll be buying another used Sportline wheel to re-furb for my 300E-24.

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    It will dry overnight then I will apply Dodo Juice leather sealer / protectant before fitting into the 320CE. A little leather cream applied to the rim will match the lustre of the Airbag.
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    Great result! Well done Joe and thanks for the taking the time to put it here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by doolar View Post
    Great result! Well done Joe and thanks for the taking the time to put it here!
    Thanks Thomas and no problem! I would recommend that Kit I linked above if anyone wants to do their own wheel too. It’s not difficult at all but I would recommend taking the wheel off and doing it indoors under good lighting etc

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    Another small interior refurb job done in the CE. The speaker covers were taken off, cleaned and re-sprayed in Satin Black. Years of no use didn't do them any favours but a simple task all the same.

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    There are a couple small adhesive residue spots on the top centre of the dash. From approx 1inch square sticky pads. It’s stuck on good and won’t come off by scraping with my nail. I think a solvent of sorts is needed – can anyone recommend anything they might have used that doesn’t damage the dash surface?

    Edit - I bought this stuff to try initially but any other suggestions are welcome!

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    1992 w124 500E Rolling Restoration - ongoing 1994 C124 E320 - Recently acquired resto project
    2007 w211 E220CDI Avantgarde Daily Driver
    Parted out myself- 95 C36 AMG / 95 E250D / 98 w124 India E220

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