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    Quote Originally Posted by a777fan View Post
    You’re a machine Joe! Good on ya.

    I really do hope to follow in your 140 footsteps one of these days. The v12 is calling.


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    Thanks and yes you guys need to get into a W140 also!

    I think what is next is a return to my 320CE Sportline restoration now that I have almost all of the required sheet metal gathered up. Stay tooned for updates on that as new sections start being grafted in. It's alot of work for sure BUT they are all rusty here so it's either get stuck in and repair it or give up and send it to the scrapper. I don't do giving up very easily

    The plan is to make the whole bodyshell solid this summer then bodywork and prime it myself in Autumn and restore the undercarriage over winter before taking it for the final pro paint coats next spring. Who knows I may also be brave enough to re-spray it myself at home too I'll decide nearer the time. If I do spray it myself I'll go pro camera it!
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    Joe, beautiful shine on the wood pieces on the W140 also.
    I will ask you after a couple of years if you are willing to repair/shine my Midnight Blue 92 500E wood trim pieces which are beat up/cracked from the sun.
    Nice work


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eno View Post
    Joe, beautiful shine on the wood pieces on the W140 also.
    I will ask you after a couple of years if you are willing to repair/shine my Midnight Blue 92 500E wood trim pieces which are beat up/cracked from the sun.
    Nice work


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    Hi Eno – thankyou!

    And yes I could help restore some of the wood if you like. The thing is though that if any of the wood lacquer is cracked it is not worth doing and not possible to wet sand it at all. It is hard to find good enough wood worth polishing up. Cracked wood really needs full refinishing which is something I dabbled in but have not yet finished for my own 500E. I would not offer full refinishing but if the wood trims you have are uncracked / un chipped then certainly I could help with it.

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    For the 320CE I did get the last piece of sheetmetal cut form a donor car today. I should clarify that this area of trunk floor in my 320CE is very bad and rusted right through. This is the best donor car I could find. Note that all of these parts are NLA from Mercedes I have already checked and they could not sell me any of the new sheetmetal I required. This really sucks and is making these cars a pain to restore.

    I will be using much smaller repair sections from this piece to graft into my 320CE. This was just to get the panel I needed out. What a miserable way to spend a Saturday sawing this out!! It would be a very effective form of capital punishment

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    JC, you never cease to amaze me with your sheer industriousness and tenacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    JC, you never cease to amaze me with your sheer industriousness and tenacity.
    Thanks Gerry!

    For the C124 resto there is a serious amount of welding needed which I will feature on here for anyone interested. Rust is the arch enemy of the w124 / c124 chassis longevity. There are 2x things I have been thinking about for a long time and only now getting time to do it. That is;

    A full detailed thread detailing the common w124 rust traps and how to check them

    A "Real world" rust treatment test. This is something I have really wanted to do for years now to put the various products I use to treat rust to the test. A large rusty piece or steel is now ripe to mark up and section off to apply several products and leave it out in the weather to see what lasts the best. I have high hopes for some Wurth zinc products I have been using lately so we shall see. I will create that new thread in a couple of days. I might cut the steel in a large strip and affix it to the undercladding on my daily driver w211 to expose it to the most realistic conditions.

    This will be important data for my 320CE restoration as I will be using the latest rust conversion chemicals combined with my favourite top coatings. Some real data on what holds rust off the longest will decide on the finished unberbody coating to be used on the 320CE and future restos
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    Rear quarter surgery is underway on the 320CE. Thankfully the inner lip on the rear quarter is still solid so I am grinding out the spot welds and peeling off the rusty outer trunk tub panel.

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    These are also NLA from MB so I have a good used C124 rear tub to graft in which will also need this seem split apart. Now this is where I go to thinking. This spot weld joint design is very exposed to water ingress and difficult to properly seam seal the thin exposed edge. These seams are rust traps and ive never seen a solid one.... the moisture wicks in between the panels and rusts from the inside out.

    I am considering using a modern automotive panel / structural adhesive such as this for this flange

    https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-...3241847&rt=rud

    Has anyone any opinions on using a product like this rather than weld the seam up again? The biggest advantage to me is that the joint will be fully sealed up from future moisture ingress and the surface area is very good to get a decent bond

    From what I am reading online there is an uptake in recent years with the use of these modern adhesives VS spot welding in some areas with vehicle manufacturers. It is a modern technique and this may be a perfect application for it?

    Edit: Based on the link below it follows my same thoughts. I think I am going to use a modern epoxy structural adhesive to this seam on my 320CE resto. If anyone has compelling reasons why I should not - please advise!

    http://autobodystore.com/forum/showt...7253#post37253

    I ordered a tube of 2k epoxy - 3M 08115 http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1...e-brochure.pdf
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    Re: OWNER - JC220

    Interesting Joe!

    Any idea of the structural rigidity difference between welding and just sealing it? That would be my only concern. Maybe you could do a spot weld sealing combo?


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    That is the million dollar question! I would not want to do anything to weaken the chassis. The spot welds are spaced about 40mm apart on the flange. If a high strength panel adhesive is used it will grip on the entire surface of the flange which may have a stronger hold on the sheetmetal VS the spot welds alone.

    Again the biggest issue for me is sealing the gap so as moisture cannot get inside and rot the panel out from the inside – which is what this joint does. It is right behind the rear tyre(s) so gets sprayed with alot of water and the thin outer edge is almost impossible to fully seal from outside. This is a good example of this failure:

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    That was a pretty good condition panel too - they can be much, much worse at that joint. This is the good used C124 rear wheel tub I am grafting into my 320CE. The spot welds were ground off and the inner sheetmetal removed. This is the flange cleaned up - if using adhesive I would apply it direct to the clean steel. I may combine sealant with MIG plug welds.... some of the adhesive will burn off around the weld heat but nothing I can do about that. Ideally the joint would be fully glued and sealed from elements

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    Any possibility to use a combo of the epoxy plus rivets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevester 500E View Post
    Any possibility to use a combo of the epoxy plus rivets?
    I had thought about that but the aesthetics of having rivets underneath aren't something I'd like. It needs to look factory when done.

    I think I will combine an epoxy / sealant between the seams with one side pre drilled before. Then clamp up and allow the adhesive to cure before using a dremil to clean out the pre drilled holes. Then MIG weld them up without causing too much heat build-up. Should be a good compromise and the seams will mostly be filled with sealant which will be an improvement over the factory method IMO. Followed by the standard brush seam sealer etc after
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    Quote Originally Posted by JC220 View Post
    I had thought about that but the aesthetics of having rivets underneath aren't something I'd like. It needs to look factory when done.

    I think I will combine an epoxy / sealant between the seams with one side pre drilled before. Then clamp up and allow the adhesive to cure before using a dremil to clean out the pre drilled holes. Then MIG weld them up without causing too much heat build-up. Should be a good compromise and the seams will mostly be filled with sealant which will be an improvement over the factory method IMO. Followed by the standard brush seam sealer etc after
    I think that sounds like an ideal idea. Best of both worlds IMHO.


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    Nearly ready to start welding the replacement rear trunk quarter into the 320CE

    Before - caused by a leaking power antenna for years (I bought this car a number of months back for restoration)

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    Rusty areas cut out:

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    Quarter cut from another C124 and getting some restoration of it's own before being welded in.

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    I did clamp and align it up and it's millimeter perfect alignment so I'm happy with that. This 320CE does require some pretty extensive restoration.... it's going to be a busy autumn / winter To recap what's been said already in previous posts this car is getting a nut & bolt resto underneath which it needs for sure! But it's my favourite colour combo and a Sportline so well worth the effort for me. Then a full respray, new front + rear windscreens etc.
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    Tonights efforts were spent fixing a rusty drain opening.... in the repair panel. (I got to piss with the c*ck I've got in this scenario)

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    And welding in a glavanised repair section to the lower left edge of the inner sheetmetal. So tomorrow the quarter can be fully welded into it's new home

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    Some welding is still to be completed underneath the quarter panel still but the main seem is done and no warping etc. Using an air blow gun to cool each tack immediately after welding keeps things nice and cool to prevent warping the existing quarter panel.

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    You know you have too many old benzes when you need to buy G-05 antifreeze concentrate by the 20L drum plus note is the little stickers provided to affix to your slam panel and record the change date.

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    I forgot to get de-ionised water tonight so I'll see if I can get 5 gallon of it tomorrow too
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    With the S280ís engine in very good condition and due for a main dealer oil change (simply to have the service book stamped) in a few days I decided to try something newÖ That is adding some red UV dye (especially formulated for car engine oils) into the engine. This will allow me to assess over the next few days prior to the next oil change if there are any active oil leaks festering anywhere. Lets face it the m104 engine has many common leak points so itís a good idea to see where it might be actively leaking from. This was the first small vial of dye tipped in under UV light:

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    I have already changed the engine oil to 10w-40 about 300 miles ago. And the Oil pressure is still 3bar + at idle . Only one time after an extended motorway drive at 31c ambient did it drop to 2.8 bar ish at traffic lights. So I am going to have 5w-40 fully synthetic oil this time around which is a first for me on m104ís where I have always ran 10w-40 semi synthetic oils. Iím curious to see if the slightly lighter weight fully synthetic oil will have any negative impact on the Oil pressure reading at idle. I guess it is a possible trade off for the other benefits of a quality fully synthetic oil.
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    My owners thread has been quiet for just a couple weeks I guess. I had minor surgery on my arm so could not continue the 320CE resto but Iím good now and ready to take into it again. What I have been doing is buying quite alot of parts locally. A Mercedes parts place is getting rid of alot of old stock and invited me to look through their shelves. I obliged!

    Got a second trailer of stuff home today. I got alot of w124 spares Ė such as 4x rear view mirrors for example) No-where to put it all, but thatís a minor detail. The picks for me was alot of W140 spares such as a full set of window motors, double glazed glass, facelift rear boot lid and bumper in perfect condition, driver's side full power folding mirror assembly, tail-lamps set etc. So my W140 spares hoard got off to a very strong start

    The absolute top find was a random EZL in the bottom of a crate. I dug it out, added it to the job lot I was buying today and didnít think much of it. Only when I got home did I realise its the latest EZL part number that fits my 500E! Score! I tested it for 5 mins in my 500E and it works perfect. This is the last spare I wanted for my 1992 500E. (I now have a m119 ETA with new pigtail, MAF, EZL and full set of 4x exact matching PN euro modules for it)

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    I did also get my weekly parcel from the states this week with something a little special..... another EZL! This time a rebuilt one for a m104.980 car. (Notorious for failing) This will serve as a spare for my 1990 300E-24. I test installed it and it also works. I will be installing that into my 300E-24 now as itís heat paste was never renewed so this is the time to do that and take the original EZL out for safe keeping.

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    If you are comfortable with it, Iíd love to see a full listing of your Ďfleetí!


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    Quote Originally Posted by a777fan View Post
    If you are comfortable with it, I’d love to see a full listing of your ‘fleet’!


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    Sure, I know I tend to go from car to car so here is a list of my current motley fleet:

    1987 W124 200. (147 Arctic White) E36 Project car. Subject to complete C36 AMG running gear, and W124 blue leather Sportline interior swap with bodywork still to be completed.

    I have just in a last couple days started negotiations on a very“special something” for the E36 project car. It will take a few weeks for this “something” to materialise. I won’t jinx myself by uttering a word until it is here in my garage….. let’s wait & see! It might just give me the incentive to get that car finished. Indeed it was part of the reason why the project stalled as I wanted a little more spec wise.

    1990 300E-24. (Almandine Red with Mushroom leather) A car I restored some years back and on the roadthis summer

    1992 500E. (Pearl black with Black leather -E60 AMG suspension and other mods) The main topic early on in this owners thread. I wouldsay it’s substantially restored condition with some areas left to complete. Still resting up but will be taken out in the couple weeks to enjoy the last days of summer

    1993 250D – parts car only soon to be gone

    1994 320CE Sportline. (Azurite Blue with Parchment Leather) Under restoration at the moment. Hope to return to the road next spring.

    1997 S280 W140. (Green / Black with Grey leather interior. Singapore import with 45k miles) Just got it a few months back, recommissioned it and now a very enjoyable second car.

    2007 E220CDI Daily driver... nothing special! Workhorse.

    2013 W204 C220CDI GF’s daily driver. I get to deal with all of the electrical gremlins those cars have!

    We have always had Mercedes in our family and at the moment my bothers and father have around 10x more. (Mix of w126 + modern cars)
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    Question – assuming for a moment it might be on the table, would members like to see a C124 widebody build (E500E fenders + bumpers) or a saloon? (The E36)

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    Re: OWNER - JC220

    C124 wide!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercepor View Post
    C124 wide!
    This is my thought at present. Since the C124 has rusty arches too and the E36 is rust free. Plus a widebody Azurite C124 would be pretty darn cool! 722 6 converted at the same time. And eventually Turbo Bandit setup
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    Quote Originally Posted by JC220 View Post

    1987 W124 200. (147 Arctic White) E36 Project car. Subject to complete C36 AMG running gear, and W124 blue leather Sportline interior swap with bodywork still to be completed.

    I have just in a last couple days started negotiations on a very“special something” for the E36 project car. It will take a few weeks for this “something” to materialise. I won’t jinx myself by uttering a word until it is here in my garage….. let’s wait & see! It might just give me the incentive to get that car finished. Indeed it was part of the reason why the project stalled as I wanted a little more spec wise.
    OK so I’ll come clean about what this is....... a friend is helping me to try and put together a deal on having a one off E500E fibreglass bodykit made. A guy makes them in Eastern Europe taken from moulds of OE parts. This is one he made before:

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    I do not have the kit yet but it should be ordered and delivered within the next few weeks all being well. I do already have a good quality new AMG fibreglass kit for the E36 which was the plan. However, now that I have the 320CE also and it needs a full resto should I build an E36 AMG and Widebody 320CE? Here are the pros and cons:

    E36 AMG Widebody;

    Pro’s

    Sell on the AMG Kit
    This kit will fit on pretty much out of the box and all components are there but perhaps I will need to bend some original W124 stainless trim to fit into the little sacco panels.
    The car will be pre-facelift style, I also already have a spare set of pre facelift 500E headlamps
    Car would be badged as E36 AMG (Not trying to fake a 500E, I just like the widebody look. And besides I already have a real 500E!)
    Artic White E500E’s do look awesome
    I could use the set of 10 inch rear Rep AMG rims I have sitting spare if the wider E500E arches were used
    Car is already so far from original the restored value is already immaterial. (Since it is nothing like the original car anymore)

    Cons

    This car is totally rust free and underbody resto is complete. This would require cutting the arches out at the rear and widening to suit the rear fenders.

    An idea of how it would look when done:

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    320CE Widebody;

    Pros

    Will look very, very nice in Azurite Blue with parchment leather and Sportline badges etc.
    The rear arches already require serious surgery to repair rust so cutting them out is required anyway.
    The genuine 17 AMG alloy wheels on the C124 would swap onto the E36 then - which would still go ahead with the AMG kit as planned.

    In either case the 10 inch rear AMG rims (staggered set of 4x from a r129) I have will go onto whatever car gets the wider arches.


    Cons

    (Biggie!) Kit will not fit out of the box. The bumpers will bolt up, the cills will need cut and shortened in the hope they would then fit. The rear C124 Sacco panels are totally different shape so I would have to try and modify the original panels or have new ones made up to fit the E500E rear arches

    This car is a Sportline and my intention until now was to keep it 100% original and it should be worth a decent sum of money when complete if original. If widebody this will likely de-value it in a purists eyes.....

    An idea of how it might look when done;


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    A poll is now added - let me know what 500E board members think I should do!
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    Ooh. The lines of the coupe enhanced with flares seems most appealing! Especially in that color!


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    Ooh. The lines of the coupe enhanced with flares seems most appealing! Especially in that color!


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    Yes the C124 does very much suit the E500E front arches! However I think that c124 I got the picture of does not have “proper” E500E rear arches going by the shape of them. But the general principle is there

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    Just noticed over 50K views now on this thread! That got a little out of hand- thanks everyone!

    No votes on the poll yet? Curious to see what you guys think I should do. The deal hopefully will be done on the E500E kit this week. Then I need to decide what I'm going to do in the coming weeks. In the interim I am going to advertise my AMG kit locally and see if there is any serious interest in it.
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    I voted
    This issue is very subjective and i can tell you only my views:
    if you build smthing try to do it as original as you can. I mean regardless if you choose the saloon or the widebody, build it with oem spoilers, bumpers, engine etc. I know it will be difficult and costy, but at the end you will have a proper replica. Which will have a value. If you use fiberglass sets, it will be a golf I tuned by strosek at the end.... or smthing similar The amount of work will be the same.

    So for the c124 i would recomend to use original 500e flares, bumpers, recaro interior, and a m119 (500), and real oz 3pcs aeros.

    For instance: Jaymanek did a nice break 500e and he has also a w126 wide conversion. Talbir has also a "proper" w126 widebody and in the US 48hp did the same (maybe even more with the double cam heads). These are nice cars imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercepor View Post
    I voted
    This issue is very subjective and i can tell you only my views:
    if you build smthing try to do it as original as you can. I mean regardless if you choose the saloon or the widebody, build it with oem spoilers, bumpers, engine etc. I know it will be difficult and costy, but at the end you will have a proper replica. Which will have a value. If you use fiberglass sets, it will be a golf I tuned by strosek at the end.... or smthing similar The amount of work will be the same.

    So for the c124 i would recomend to use original 500e flares, bumpers, recaro interior, and a m119 (500), and real oz 3pcs aeros.

    For instance: Jaymanek did a nice break 500e and he has also a w126 wide conversion. Talbir has also a "proper" w126 widebody and in the US 48hp did the same (maybe even more with the double cam heads). These are nice cars imho.

    I had not considered the originality of the kit itself! That is an interesting and valid point. Jay had used a donor 500E for his recent wagon project and I think that is the only way to do it nowadays due to the NLA bug hitting many E500E parts. And also in terms of cost it would be more feasible to do it that way, assuming a donor car could be sourced for a reasonable sum in the first instance.

    However, for full disclosure I am not at all bothered about a full m119 swap on these cars! For the amount of effort required I would go a different route such as a E55 AMG donor or even a wrecked C63 (How great would that be!!) For these 2x cars at the moment I am happy with the 3.6 AMG Swap and the prospect of a turbo kit for either car. I've also never heard of a RHD m119 w124 swap before. Could be issues with the steering box. (Even Jay's recent wagon swap was a LHD IIRC)

    What I have done since is spoke to my car valuer about the potential C124 E500E bodywork. He strongly advised me against it and said Iwould de-value the original Sportline 320CE. I guess he does have a point. Again, originality is already out the window with the E36 as is so that is nota problem with it…. The E500E kit will also bolt up to the E36 in all aspects. Before I would sell on the AMG kit I have at the moment I would want to trial fit the E500E kit when it arrives in a number of weeks. I am assured it is a perfect fitting kit taken from original parts with the part numbers visible in somea reas. (Like under the cills) So going by what I am told it should be ideal.

    Thanks to those who voted thus far - seems 60 / 40 in favour of the C124 at the moment


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