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    MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    There are two MB "pastes" that have a special place in my heart.

    The first is the now-infamous MB "Gleitpaste" - the 'sliding paste' for the sunroof mechanism. The large can in the photos below is "da Gleit..." part number 001-989-46-51.

    The second (small jar) is much lesser known - it's called MB "Silikonpaste" and it's an excellent lubricant for a number of operations. The part number for the Silicone Paste is 000-989-84-51, current MB list price of $72 for a 3.5-ounce jar.

    This silicone paste is special stuff because it's the secret sauce that the "stealership weasels" use to eliminate squeaks, rattles and other noises from door cards, seals, seats, metal parts, and so forth. It is excellent for use on door strikers and pins, hinges and lube points. Some call it "Wunderpaste" and although pricey stuff, it is well worth the cost.

    Any customer car that comes into an MB stealership service bay because of a complaint of squeaks and rattles ... gets a good dose of this Wunderpaste.

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    Is this Klink-approved? What specific applications are Klink-recommended? Neeeeeeed more info!

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    Pretty much every second or third stealership "tech" workstation has a jar or two of this paste open with a brush stuck in the top of it.

    I'm sure Clank will fill us in when they see this....it's a very important 989 in the fight to remedy customer complaints!

    The attached photos are actual **real** paste containers located on the workstations of MB factory-trained technicians located deep in the depths bowels of an actual, real-life, working MB "Stealership."
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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Would also like to hear from Jono if there is an aftermarket equivalent available at greatly reduced pricing, for us cheapskates...


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    That stuff!
    Most of us got familiar with that stuff due to one job. Due to some kind of production variation issue, new 126 cars were developing a wicked creak in the front end at high ambient/bodywork temperatures, over large slow displacements like speed bumps. The fix was to remove the upper control arms, pop out the rubber bushings, liberally lubricate the flanges on the bushings and the control arms where the bushings contacted the control arms with that paste, and put the bushings back into the control arms with an additional super thin plastic shim that rested between the contact flanges of the bushings and the control arms.
    We've used it on just about everything else since then, and I have to guess that's why they never stopped making it. I think it is also the intended assembly lubrication for the inside of swaybar bushings, and things like that. It provides slip with the stamina...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Would also like to hear from Jono if there is an aftermarket equivalent available at greatly reduced pricing, for us cheapskates...

    There is a 3M Silicone Paste that retails for under $25 a container....
    http://www.amazon.com/3M-08946-Clear...dp/B005RNEH5O/

    Trust me, it's not the same as the MB stuff....
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    this kind of stuff we stick w/ the Genuine. Pricey, yea..but here @ least we use it up eventually! I suspect that this would be a lifetimes supply a few times over for the more normal-ish types.
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    Thanks, guys! You are helping me deplete my retirement account. Guess I'll have to pick up a bottle so I can keep up with the Honchos.

    I actually have the 3M paste. That is a dielectric grease which can be used on ignition wire boots to ease installation / removal, keep moisture out, yadda x3. I almost never use it, but the 3M bottle is cheaper per ounce than most of the other vendors' smaller tubes.


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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    Pretty much every second or third stealership "tech" workstation has a jar or two of this paste open with a brush stuck in the top of it.

    I'm sure Clank will fill us in when they see this....it's a very important 989 in the fight to remedy customer complaints!

    The attached photos are actual **real** paste containers located on the workstations of MB factory-trained technicians located deep in the depths bowels of an actual, real-life, working MB "Stealership."
    Guys – I have very troubling news. I attempted to order a bottle of the MB silicone Paste PN A0009898451 from my main dealer only to be told it is NLA

    Is there a replacement MB grease for this?

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    Guys: How about this NAPA product--Sil-Glyde. Part BK 7651351. I used it when installing new rear wheel carrier joints.

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    I have a tub of gleitpaste. I would not use Syl-glyde where the manual calls for gleitpaste.
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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Quote Originally Posted by geraniumtr View Post
    Guys: How about this NAPA product--Sil-Glyde. Part BK 7651351. I used it when installing new rear wheel carrier joints.

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    I did the same, and I use it on stuff that may get wet like the door check straps.
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    Silicon paste is very different than Gleitpaste for sunroofs.

    Syl-glide from NAPA is an excellent all-purpose lube and another that I highly recommend.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JC220 View Post
    Guys – I have very troubling news. I attempted to order a bottle of the MB silicone Paste PN A0009898451 from my main dealer only to be told it is NLA

    Is there a replacement MB grease for this?
    Gleitpaste NLA? Uh-oh. Klink, say it isn't so!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by gsxr View Post
    Gleitpaste NLA? Uh-oh. Klink, say it isn't so!!!

    Not Gleitpaste! But the small MB bottle of silicone potion for interior squeaks & groans

    I don't love near a Napa so I'll need to find a Silicone paste of sorts in UK / Ireland. I was hoping to use the MB stuff on a super annoying squeak from my 500E belt buckle.
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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Guys, you need to get your pastes straight.

    Silicone Paste is NOT NOT NOT NOT Gleitpaste!!! They are NOT the same thing.

    Gleitpaste will NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER become NLA.






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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    I've always used silicone from a dive store. Tell them you need some lube for your dry suit zipper.

    3m and other comanies, smaller sizes and way less than mb.


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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    Guys, you need to get your pastes straight.

    Silicone Paste is NOT NOT NOT NOT Gleitpaste!!! They are NOT the same thing.

    Gleitpaste will NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER become NLA.
    Gerry, you know what they say about never ever, lol.

    My apologies for the bunny trail, I did not catch that Joe was referring to a different goop going NLA. I saw the thread title plus a new post with "NLA" and jumped to wrong conclusions without comparing part numbers. I will commit seppuku immediately.

    So, uh, anyone know of an aftermarket equivalent for the now-NLA anti-squeak stuff? (We should probably split these posts into a different thread, no?)


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    jaws 4oz ecoguard on amazon
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    Hmmm, looks decent for a spray:
    https://www.amazon.com/JAWS-Guard-Si.../dp/B002Y2SKFY

    The NLA MB stuff was a paste though.


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    FYI though, the thick white silicone paste 000 989 84 51 really is said to be gone forever...
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    Ugh, WTF is this all about. Arrived here after realizing I need to hump the sunroofs of my cars with Gleitpaste, three in the household, soon to be four if I get the kid and MB, and is it wrong to lube up my Porsche 964s sunroofs with this stuff. Thats 5, possibly six lube jobs. Another post said you are not a man unless you have the 100 gallon drum of 001-989-46-51 in your garage.

    thank goodness Silicone Paste 000 989 84 51 is gone forever so I don't have to try and track that down
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    A tub of gleitpaste in a planters peanut can will last for your lifetime. $85
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    Indeed, real Benz enthusiasts tend to have a full tub o' da Gleit on their shop supplies/chemical shelves. It separates the men from the Banzworld types


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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Silicone Paste 000 989 84 51


    Klink what is magical about the white silicone grease? I'm sure I can match it... send me a sample ~ 1/2 ounce or something in a small parts ziplok.


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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    How about Dow Corning, 112 Moisture-Resistant Grease, 5.3 oz. Tube? $21/tube from mcmastercarr.com More washout resistant than plan silicone grease.

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    Gleitpaste will be ordered soon. I am also in the middle of a Porsche 964 rear spoiler gear mechanism rebuild. What grease to use here?

    I was planning on order some White Lithium Grease NLGI
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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Gleitpaste is intended for sliding surfaces, specifically sunroof rails, although it can be used for other purposes. I think it would work fine for a rear spoiler raising/lowering mechanism, though personally I would probably use NAPA Syl-Glyde or Lubriplate white grease. Syl-Glyde is an excellent all-around lubricant, and I use it for many things, including windshield wiper mechanisms, and so forth. Available at any NAPA Auto Parts store, or Amazon, or FleaBay.

    You're getting a tub of Gleitpaste? See folks, this is exactly how the sickness spreads. First a 500E, then an SEC, now almost fully down the rabbit hole with a big ol' Gleitpaste purchase. Next up is a spare parts car to dismantle for NLA parts.......and semi-monthly trips to the local pick'n'pull yards in the Bay Area

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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Can you MB gurus check if my intel on Gleitpaste is correct?
    Gleitpaste = PFPE based fluorinated lubricant (not PTFE)

    Equivalents as per my internet research:
    DuPont Krytox 8904 or 8906 (this is probably an overkill)
    DuPont Finish Line extreme fluoro - bike grease, here in EU costs approx. 10 EUR per 20g tube
    TASC SP1 - this can be snatched on eBay.uk for around GBP 5 for small syringe

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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    You're getting a tub of Gleitpaste? See folks, this is exactly how the sickness spreads. First a 500E, then an SEC, now almost fully down the rabbit hole with a big ol' Gleitpaste purchase. Next up is a spare parts car to dismantle for NLA parts.......and semi-monthly trips to the local pick'n'pull yards in the Bay Area
    I have a full case of 500eboard-itis then. Yesterday, I looked up on eBay for a metric tool sets to go to Pick-n-pulls prepared. They have China special tool sets for 80 bucks in a roller carry on case that have what I need to attack W124 and W126 junkers. Looks perfect to throw into the back of my truck on my way to a junkyard. So I am well inside the rabbit hole about to hit bottom. Sil-glyde in my Amazon cart.
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    My wrecking yard toolkit I carry in a hand-held valise bag that I got as a freebie at a conference. Basically it's a foam laptop case (you could fit a notebook binder or thick laptop in it no problem) with two handles. I carry enough tools to do about 80% of jobs, plus a couple of shop rags and 2-3 pairs of nitrile gloves for when I rip them.

    And a can of non-California chlorinated brake cleaner in the trunk of my car, to clean up once back at the car.

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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Never met a group of guys better at showing me how to spend my money. SLOW DOWN please
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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoD View Post
    Never met a group of guys better at showing me how to spend my money. SLOW DOWN please
    Ricardo, just stick to the basics for now.....Gleitpaste and Syl-Glyde are good baseline lubes to have. Augment it with a good case of brake cleaner, and a 5mm swivel hex wrench to get your M119 valve cover off if needed....and you're probably good for now.

    Other than a crank bolt, I've yet to encounter a fastener in my routine Benz fixing that has required a mega-torque impact wrench, etc. Let alone at a wrecking yard. They're just trying to out-blow each other. "My impact wrench is bigger/has more torque than yours!"


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    I use kids Highschool backpack to carry tools, gloves, brakeclean, bags and then another heavy canvas bag for parts which if I am far away and heavy, I zip tie to the back pack to walk out hands free.
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    Great idea on the back pack. I have a Milwaukee tool bag + something like this:
    https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-129-...-Case/50200789

    But mine has a wrench sets too.

    I ussually take a tuperware box if I am harvesting something internal to keep it clean. Roll of paper towels and some ziplock bags. There are lots of things I want to avoid getting scratched up.

    I think you take what you need- depends on the target. If I'm pulling a 034 fan clutch it's different need than an instrument panel in a W124 or tail lights or cans modules. Oil tubes are mega easy w an impact. Had one NY car which was a bugger... rusty and the allens were all partially stripped or siezed. Had to drill out a dozen or so heads.

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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    000 989 84 51 MB Silicone Paste aka "Silikonpaste" "Wunderpaste" "Magic lubricant" in 3.5-ounce (100g) jar is still available here @ $75 plus shipping:
    http://www.fourbyfourclub.com/W463To...iconePaste.htm

    Just purchased and received a bottle. Not sure how "old" this batch may be but must be the last few still available on this vendor's shelf. As mentioned above, this magic lub is NLA from MB dealerships.

    Another interesting item:
    http://www.fourbyfourclub.com/W463Tools/W463Glue.htm
    MB "Special Adhesive" described as "Original Mercedes glue/adhesive designed to fix sagging headliners, loose under hood insulations or any other flexible parts as rubber door seals and gaskets"
    Has anybody used this adhesive or know the part number?
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    This paste is the shizz, fo sho. Everyone should have a jar in their shop.

    I have a can of the special adhesive, but haven't used it yet. I'm intending to use it to re-glue the door pocket skins and see how they adhere.

    For hood pads, door seals and the like, I use the 3M Super Trim Adhesive (it's discussed in other threads here) and would probably use the same for other uses.

    When I do get around to re-gluing my door pockets with the Special Adhesive from MB, I'll report back to the thread I started on it long ago.

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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Quote Originally Posted by gerryvz View Post
    This paste is the shizz, fo sho. Everyone should have a jar in their shop.

    I have a can of the special adhesive, but haven't used it yet. I'm intending to use it to re-glue the door pocket skins and see how they adhere.

    For hood pads, door seals and the like, I use the 3M Super Trim Adhesive (it's discussed in other threads here) and would probably use the same for other uses.

    When I do get around to re-gluing my door pockets with the Special Adhesive from MB, I'll report back to the thread I started on it long ago.

    Cheers,
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    Do you have the part number for this MB special adhesive? $39 I assume is the list price.
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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    MB "SPEZIAL-KLEBER" Special Adhesive, 40g 12 oz, part number: 000 989 92 71 (list $39.50)

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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Here is my Gleitpaste selfie you sick bastards.
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    Definite case of .036 sickness. Congrats!

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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    I also purchased one can of Gleitpaste.
    Two out of three W124's of mine have a sunroof, my '95 250D and the Midnight Blue '92 500E.
    I remember about 8-9 years ago I placed some quality aftermarket grease on the sunroof of my first 1995 W124 250D.
    Now I have the right Gleitpaste.
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    RicardoD needs to get some Gleit for his fleet.


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    I hear it works better than Crisco on scaled rough feet...
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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Remember, Crisco is shortening. Be careful what you get it on...
    Putting the fun in dysfunction...

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    Only after moisturizing with Gleit will Jono let me into one of his AMG specials with my barefeet.
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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Hi

    What about this?

    A0019891451

    https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevol...nt_action=show

    For sunroof and they call it is Gleitpaste

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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Bah.... HAD to have the small amber bottle in the garage! We'll see if 4x4 club pulls through. No problem taking my money!

    The 420 has this annoying creak in the dash when cold. If i ever have to pull the damn thing... I'll be prepared!

    I agree with Ricardo... this place is terrible...



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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Sad to report that 4X4 club is out. Its all gone!

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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    Quote Originally Posted by a777fan View Post
    Sad to report that 4X4 club is out. Its all gone!
    Got my jar of it! Just packed it the other day for transit to the East Coast !! Good stuff !

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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    MB Naperville has the WonderGleitpaste for $53 bucks.

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    Re: MB Silicon Paste - the Holy Grail

    I'm seeing Gleitpaste (500g tub) at Naperville for $68 ($92 list):
    https://www.mboemparts.com/oem-parts...ste-0019894651

    The small 100g jar of wunder-silicone shows as $53 however it is NLA:
    https://www.mboemparts.com/oem-parts...ste-0009898451

    I just found ECSTooning offers small amounts of Gleitpaste sunroof lube for $10, for those who don't want a lifetime fleet supply:
    https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-.../0019894651~a/


    Remember, the MB dealer sites rarely remove an item from their catalog when it goes NLA. If you're lucky they'll add a "Discontinued" note (click here to see an example), otherwise they'll take your money and cancel the order a week later (like 4x4 club did to Jon in post 47+48).


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